The Gimp is too hard to learn...
Net Agent:Arik Jones
I have to admit that the Gimp is a little bit out of my range. And I
also have to say i would rather have something a little more Windows
Native. The Gimp doesn't give me the results I need in the time I need
them. I make logos for websites, and the gimp isn't helping me. I
use "Micrografx Draw 6 Limited Edition" and I make much better logos
with that. I will use The Gimp for odd jobs, like image compressing to
other format, and applying effects that Micrografx can't and stuff like
that. So there you go, a very disappointed Logo Designer.
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Before you buy.
Gautam N. Lad
You can't learn GIMP overnight, if that is what you're expecting.
I use GIMP for Windows mainly and it took me a while to get used
to it, but now I feel real comfortable using it.
GIMP has the same strenghts as Photoshop (to an extent) and is perfectly
suitable for making logos. You just need some practice with it (GIMP).
Because the GIMP for Windows isn't using native Win32 controls, it
does seem a bit weird to use, but it only takes time to get used to it.
(You could always install Linux, just to use GIMP). =)
As for using GIMP just to do image compression...well, that's just
ridicilous.
BTW, I have put my GIMP (for Windows) experience to good use, with
my new site (see below for URL).
Bye!
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Gautam N. Lad
http://www.cubicdesign.com
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Tsu Dho Nimh
> I have to admit that the Gimp is a little bit out of my range. And I
>also have to say i would rather have something a little more Windows
>Native. The Gimp doesn't give me the results I need in the time I need
>them. I make logos for websites, and the gimp isn't helping me.
(snip)
>use "Micrografx Draw 6 Limited Edition" and I make much better logos
>with that.
>I will use The Gimp for odd jobs, like image compressing to
>other format, and applying effects that Micrografx can't and stuff like
>that. So there you go, a very disappointed Logo Designer.
It's a hammer, and you need a screwdriver. GIMP is NOT a good
"drawing" program at all - I use Windows Paint, PowerPoint or
Visio for line drawing and simple shaded stuff, and (don't laugh)
WordArt to make cute fancy text things to cut and paste as BMPs
for further editing.
GIMP does have a number of good text effects filters. Were you
aware that it supposedly can use most of the filters designed for
Adobe PhotoShop? I don't have occasion to play with them much,
but the few I tried worked.
OTOH, it is a SUPERB quick and dirty photo-editing program. I
can crop, color/value correct, blur out unwanted stuff, remove
the stray tools from the field of view, and sharpen the details I
want in a couple minutes per photo ... National Enquirer level
editing, but it suffices.
And the real power is that it's PROGRAMMABLE, scriptable, and
can do the same stuff REALLY REALLY fast to a whole bunch of
images ... something I may never do in this or any future lives.
Tsu Dho Nimh
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.
Tor Lillqvist
> Were you aware that it supposedly can use most of the filters designed for
> Adobe PhotoShop?
Nonono. This is a misconception. There is a GIMP plug-in (user_filter)
that can interpret filters produced by "Filter Factory". These filters
are relatively simple algorithmical transformations (which nonetheless
can produce quite interesting results). They can be saved (by Filter
Factory) either in a text format, or as a (binary executable DLL)
Photoshop plug-in. But even this binary format contains the filter in
text format, from which user_filter can interpret it.
(I have never used Filter Factory, the above can be a bit misleading.)
But in general, GIMP (not even on Windows) has no understanding of
Photoshop plug-ins. It would certainly be possible to enhance GIMP (on
Windows, at least, and maybe on Linux using Wine) to be able to use real
Photoshop plug-ins. (After all, the interface is well documented, and
lots of other applications can use Photoshop plug-ins, so why not GIMP?)
Maybe someday.
--tml
enaitee
> Net Agent:Arik Jones <nero...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have to admit that the Gimp is a little bit out of my range. And I
> >also have to say i would rather have something a little more Windows
> >Native. The Gimp doesn't give me the results I need in the time I need
> >them. I make logos for websites, and the gimp isn't helping me.
> (snip)
> >use "Micrografx Draw 6 Limited Edition" and I make much better logos
> >with that.
>
> >I will use The Gimp for odd jobs, like image compressing to
> >other format, and applying effects that Micrografx can't and stuff like
> >that. So there you go, a very disappointed Logo Designer.
>
> It's a hammer, and you need a screwdriver. GIMP is NOT a good
> "drawing" program at all - I use Windows Paint, PowerPoint or
> Visio for line drawing and simple shaded stuff, and (don't laugh)
> WordArt to make cute fancy text things to cut and paste as BMPs
> for further editing.
> GIMP does have a number of good text effects filters. Were you
> aware that it supposedly can use most of the filters designed for
> Adobe PhotoShop? I don't have occasion to play with them much,
> but the few I tried worked.
>
>
> OTOH, it is a SUPERB quick and dirty photo-editing program. I
> can crop, color/value correct, blur out unwanted stuff, remove
> the stray tools from the field of view, and sharpen the details I
> want in a couple minutes per photo ... National Enquirer level
> editing, but it suffices.
>
> And the real power is that it's PROGRAMMABLE, scriptable, and
> can do the same stuff REALLY REALLY fast to a whole bunch of
> images ... something I may never do in this or any future lives.
>
> Tsu Dho Nimh
>
> When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
> politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
> your kid and run for your life.
I am in the process of learning how to use Gimp and found the comments
on Windows Paint, Power Point, and Visio interesting. I have an Intuos
tablet and so far have not been impressed with Gimp's drawing and paint
tools. I am aware of all the other wonderful capabilities it has and don't
mean this as overall criticism. I thought perhaps my forty some years of
using conventional artists tools had created a sort of mental block that
would
take time and practice to overcome. It is, of course a whole new world,
painting with light, and I suspect a lot of old standby rules for things
like
color mixing, etc have to be reinterpreted. I would like to hear what
other
Gimp user's experience has been in this regard.
Tsu Dho Nimh
>I am in the process of learning how to use Gimp and found the comments
>on Windows Paint, Power Point, and Visio interesting. I have an Intuos
>tablet and so far have not been impressed with Gimp's drawing and paint
>tools.
Expecting to find ONE computer program that can do it all, and
superbly, is like expecting one brush to do all your painting, or
to sculpt a whole statue with just one chisel. It is common for
computer graphics to use a series of programs, each one refining
the output of the earlier one.
Here's a cascade I did today:
AutoCAD (original layout plan drawn by someone else) exported
Visio ... import AutoCAD file to edit it -
(ACAD is way too hard to learn), save as BMP file the
size I need
GIMP ... edit photos from digital camera and edit the BMP file
to add gradients and some stuff that Visio can't do.
GIMP ... load edited BMP file, add photos (in layers), text
(more layers) and move eferything around until it's
where it shuold be.
EXPORT whole mess as TIFF and import into MS Word for
printing as part of a training manual.
>I thought perhaps my forty some years of using conventional artists
>tools had created a sort of mental block that would take time and
>practice to overcome.
Tsu Dho Nimh
Tor Lillqvist
> I have an Intuos
> tablet and so far have not been impressed with Gimp's drawing and paint
> tools.
In case you are using the Windows version, the tablet support is known
to be not very good at all.
If you have an Intuos, might one assume that you have experience with
advanced painting apps like Painter (previously known as Fractal Design
Painter, nowadays from Corel)? The GIMP is not yet able to compete with
Painter, that's for sure. (There are also patent issues with the
techniques that Painter uses that might prevent those from being
implemented in the GIMP.)
--tml
enaitee
Comments are appreciated. It does make sense that there is the "right"
(translate as "preferred") tool for each task. The analogy of using a
variety
of conventional artist's tools sums it up well. I still consider myself a
newbie
and when I have a better understanding of Gimp I plan to do the same with
other software packages I see mentioned a lot on appropriate newsgroups.
My Wacom tablet ,which I obtained recently, came with "Painter Classic"
which I am guessing is an abbreviated version of Corel's Painter 6 (not sure
if it's up to v. 7 now or not) Beyond that and Gimp I have no experience
with digital media. It would be nice if there were a way to sample
using such packages prior to making the financial plunge. I have seen
references to such "demos" but have not found any offers of such other
than beta versions that would expire after a time. I am running Gimp
1.1.23
in RedHat 6.0 My primary references have been the online user's manual,
GUM, a copy of "Grokking the Gimp" and the web. Presently, I'm working
at making and trying out custom brushes (*.gbr files). I have noted the
software mentioned in response to my post and value any opinions or
past experiences associated with any of them. Thx
Frederick Artiss
learning curve, it's a really nice program. I prefer it to Adobe
Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro.
--www.gimp-savvy.com
--www.gimp.org
Net Agent:Arik Jones wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I have to admit that the Gimp is a little bit out of my range. And I
> also have to say i would rather have something a little more Windows
> Native. The Gimp doesn't give me the results I need in the time I need
> them. I make logos for websites, and the gimp isn't helping me. I
> use "Micrografx Draw 6 Limited Edition" and I make much better logos
> with that. I will use The Gimp for odd jobs, like image compressing to
> other format, and applying effects that Micrografx can't and stuff like
> that. So there you go, a very disappointed Logo Designer.
>