I'm Outta Here!
Happy Trails
Charles E Hardwidge
news:bhe6c5prnp1vpd7kq...@4ax.com...
> Till a certain complete fuckwit stops talking to himself!
The OpenGL newsgroup (and others Skybuck Flying is cross-posting to) and
going the same way as the 2000 AD newsgroup when Scott Nestel (Scojo) was
operating. The spastic totally destroyed that group.
Moderation and complaints to his ISP are one option, but a total freeze out
by all regular posters or a concerted attack by dismissing his bullshit and
abusing the hell out of him are alternatives.
A total freeze out with nothing put a warning reply to new posters
responding to him can work but as other threads have shown it only takes one
person to reply to drag in everyone else.
I'd rather avoid the more aggressive response but we can just treat every
thread of his as pure entertainment and rip the shit out of him. Check out
the 2000 AD newsgroup and posts by John Smith for pointers.
Another option might be just to start a new thread with a generic complaint
title and post all your crap in there. It will stop the mentalist getting
the attention he thrives on and give you a place to blow off.
The OpenGL newsgroup has always been a gold standard for me and I've pointed
it out as an example of high quality civil discussion for years. SF has
upset that but the lessons of 2000 AD may provide a roadmap.
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Charles E Hardwidge
fungus
> Till a certain complete fuckwit stops talking to himself!
Clue for anybody else who's annoyed: Don't announce it.
Maybe the guy is feeding off the attention and "announcements".
The best advice is:
a) Ignore him, silently
b) Silently add him to you filter list
c) Silently send complaints to "abuse.h...@prolocation.net",
(this really can get his account terminated).
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fungus
wrote:
>
> A total freeze out with nothing put a warning reply to new posters
This is what I'm doing from now on.
Michael Bieber
> pointed
> it out as an example of high quality civil discussion for years.
I'm more or less an occasional reader here, just for this reason my 2
cents here:
Regarding your proposals, I'm afraid the key issue has to do with the
answer Wolfgang got from these people in command. There is no placable
way to deal with an insistent troll, if you have no real power. The only
working solution relies on owning administrative control. Let it be the
moderated variant or something new.
Micha
Charles E Hardwidge
news:14f014f0-18e2-4766...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 30, 1:01 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>>
>> A total freeze out with nothing put a warning reply to new posters
>
> This is what I'm doing from now on.
I'll run with that. The real key to success with that one is unanimity.
Trying to engage or help will just dilute that and tear things apart. We
just need to come up with standard cut and paste notice. It will be a bit
more authoritative and save effort.
The 2000 AD newsgroup never could get behind unanimity so Scott Nestel's
junk kept getting through peoples filters. It kept sucking people in again
and again. My guess is this NG is better focused and more professional so
can avoid that problem.
After the spamming and insults, the next level is SF might start changing
his name to get around this blockade. So, that's something to be aware of.
There's other tricks he may use to get peoples attention but you'll know
them when they arise.
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Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
news:h9vion$k6d$1...@online.de...
I'm willing to run with fungus blockade and warning notice but you're right
to identify issues and alternatives. Wolfgang has done some of the prep work
and we have a plan. Most people are probably hoping it will all blow over
but if the worst comes to the worst there is an exit strategy.
Perhaps, if SF is still a problem at the end of next month this might be the
trigger to create a moderated variant or private moderated mirror. I'm not
really sure what's best, easiest, or politically achievable but they're
options on the table. I'm happy to back whatever the consensus view is.
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Charles E Hardwidge
fungus
wrote:
> .... We just need to come up with standard cut and paste notice.
> It will be a bit more authoritative and save effort.
>
Good idea.
> After the spamming and insults, the next level is SF might start changing
> his name to get around this blockade.
I don't think a name change will hide this persona.
Charles E Hardwidge
> On Sep 30, 2:28 pm, "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>> .... We just need to come up with standard cut and paste notice.
>> It will be a bit more authoritative and save effort.
>
> Good idea.
>
>> After the spamming and insults, the next level is SF might start changing
>> his name to get around this blockade.
>
> I don't think a name change will hide this persona.
I'm thinking that if we develop something credible and it's supported by the
movers and shakers, and occasional visitors it will have authority and
support. The next level might be an automated posting with an introduction
to the OpenGL newsgroup, troll exclusion list, and minimal FAQ.
Experience suggests a name change won't hide his persona. He might get away
with it for a handful of posts but will be back in jail. The only way out I
suggest is if he posts credibly and sociably in another group over an
extended period of time for, say, 3 months minimum.
We're off to a fairly good start by discussing this issue in this thread
rather than littering the newsgroup with whiny replies to SF's posts. I'm
just putting some ideas on the table. I'll support whatever credible moves
and consensus that emerges from this.
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Charles E Hardwidge
Wolfgang Draxinger
> I'm thinking that if we develop something credible and it's supported by
> the movers and shakers, and occasional visitors it will have authority and
> support. The next level might be an automated posting with an introduction
> to the OpenGL newsgroup, troll exclusion list, and minimal FAQ.
Today I started such a system: I installed a VM on my server, assigned it an
IP and FQDN (nntp.draxit.de), the system is up already and can be pinged (no
NNTP deamon yet). Over the next days I will put there a read-only NNTP
server, which will host comp.graphics.algorithms and
comp.graphics.api.opengl and apply a number of filtering rules. News posting
should be done over your usual Usenet provider, but at least we'll have some
decent filtering.
Then there will be weekly cronjobs, which issue c.g.a.opengl and
c.g.algorithms FAQs together with a note of the existance of this filtering
news server.
Later on I might decide to give also write access, i.e. allow posting via
this server.
Wolfgang
fungus
wrote:
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> We're off to a fairly good start by discussing this issue in this thread
> rather than littering the newsgroup with whiny replies to SF's posts. I'm
> just putting some ideas on the table. I'll support whatever credible moves
> and consensus that emerges from this.
>
Can you email me with a working email address, there's some
private discussion going on about this.
(And anybody else who's interested...)
Charles E Hardwidge
Email sent to your MYSOCKS (removed) in-tray.
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Charles E Hardwidge
Charles E Hardwidge
"Wolfgang Draxinger" <Wolfgang....@physik.uni-muenchen.de> wrote in
message news:ha00n0$tbo$1...@news.lrz-muenchen.de...
That's impressive and fast. It would take me a week just to figure out where
to get started.
Fungus has a grasp on the sort of boilerplate warning people might use so
that's another good initiative.
This reminds me of the old days when we got the original OpenGL FAQ
together. Never thought it would happen but it did.
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Charles E Hardwidge
Vladimir Jovic
> This reminds me of the old days when we got the original OpenGL FAQ
> together. Never thought it would happen but it did.
>
Is there a decent OpenGL faq? Besides what is on www.opengl.org
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Gernot Frisch
> c) Silently send complaints to "abuse.h...@prolocation.net",
> (this really can get his account terminated).
Yes, but it does not get _him_ terminated.
Skybuck Flying
If you are too stupid to understand the concept of "follow-ups" then maybe
you shouldn't be using usenet ! ;)
Bye,
Skybuck =D
Alexander Bartolich
> Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
>
>> I'm thinking that if we develop something credible and it's supported by
>> the movers and shakers, and occasional visitors it will have authority and
>> support. The next level might be an automated posting with an introduction
>> to the OpenGL newsgroup, troll exclusion list, and minimal FAQ.
>
Today I completed such a system.
I added a new notice type to my NoCeM bot, "Content-Based.Skybuck-F".
Notices are posted to news.lists.filters so that operators of other
servers can apply them to their news spool. See
http://albasani.net/info/nocem/index.html
Anyway, at the moment news.albasani.net is the only server doing this.
Accounts on my server are free, just ask via mail or the contact form.
http://albasani.net/user/contact.cgi
If you don't need write permissions you can use this account:
Username: readonly
Password: readonly
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pros like you guys. Thanks.
.rex