Looking for something like TF Cavalier
edgar...@yahoo.co.uk
Does anyone know of fonts with a similar look?
How would you define this look in typographic terms?
Thanks - E.
Marc Goldhagen
<edgar...@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1128600195.8...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> TF Cavalier is not quite it.
>
> Does anyone know of fonts with a similar look?
depends on which characteristics of the font your focus is.
FF Fontesque or FF Bodoni Clasic Handdrawn would be some options,
that come to mind.
You might take a look here:
http://www.fontfont.com/shop/
> How would you define this look in typographic terms?
if the font we are talking about is this one:
http://www.fonts.com/FindFonts/detail.htm?pid=203631&ovmkt=JK0U0JDQ41GISCA7JS1RID2DCS
handdrawn & serif are certainly keywords leading in the right direction.
greetings,
marc
eejay
But being a total noob, I didn't realise that fonts don't have unique
names!
The 'Cavalier' in question is by TreacyFaces and it's a bit like
Blahaus.
What I like about Cavalier & Blahaus is that, on the curvy letters, the
top rights and the bottom lefts are squared off.
However I find them both a little too condensed and a little too cold &
techno.
-want to find something a bit more casual.
thanks again
E
Marc Goldhagen
"eejay" <edgar...@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1128602848.9...@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> But being a total noob, I didn't realise that fonts don't have unique
> names!
they should have, of course ... but sometimes things are different.
> The 'Cavalier' in question is by TreacyFaces and it's a bit like
> Blahaus.
> What I like about Cavalier & Blahaus is that, on the curvy letters, the
> top rights and the bottom lefts are squared off.
> However I find them both a little too condensed and a little too cold &
> techno.
> -want to find something a bit more casual.
hmm ... with squared corners fonts always have a tendency to look techno.
However you might like Seprentine (Oblique) then:
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/linotype/serpentine/
certainly not condensed and the corners not so hard-edge.
> thanks again
you're welcome,
Marc
Character
...
The OP is talking about TF Cavalier, from Treacyfaces.
The TF site is terrible, but his fonts are pretty good! Here's the page with a
sample of TF Cavalier - if you can see it.
http://www.treacyfaces.com/oneliner05.html
-= Character
eejay
powers of description!
If you will indulge me further..
Serpentine isn' it either - it hasn't got that sharp flamey look
because it lacks the rounded diagonally opposed corners.
Runway is getting warmer
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/canadatype/runway/regular/
any more ideas?
Thanks
jtr...@treacyfaces.com
Greetings, all -
In response to the earlier item about Treacyfaces.com (which appears now
to have been retracted by its author), I'd like to point out that
amongst all our many unique and original fonts,
- Finding the entire TFCavalier on treacyfaces.com
with partial character set showings takes about
43 seconds or less.
- Starting to receive your own text in any
Treacyfaces TF font present in our interactive online
typesampler (TFCavalier included) happens in about
15 to 30 seconds, depending upon your net connection.
You are readily able to typeset practically anything
you'd like, including whatever characters or sentences
you might need. The typesampler works best with
Western encoding, although our CE, EE and Baltic fonts
work fine on customers' actual keyboards.
(See clients like Wizz Air in Central Europe,
using our TFForever CE masterfully.)
- After orienting yourself to the first online sample,
subsequent samples usually will arrive at your computer
in about 5 to 15 seconds.
In point sizes from 24 to 60 point. With real kerning.
Rather easy to find, responsive and convenient, I'd say.
Our hundreds of thousands of customers think so, too.
Thank you.
(Joe)
Joseph D. Treacy
President & Director of Typography
Treacyfaces.com
------------------------------
Character
> Greetings, all -
>
> In response to the earlier item about Treacyfaces.com (which appears now
> to have been retracted by its author),
Joe -
I'll assume that you're talking about my comment regarding the usability (or
lack thereof) of the TF website. And NOTHING can be retracted, once posted here
- maybe it just fell off your newsserver)
Just so you know - if I didn't find your products worthwhile in the first place,
I wouldn't bother with the following comments regarding your site. My intent is
to help you make it friendlier, more intuitive, more useable, and therefore
potentially more profitable.
> I'd like to point out that
> amongst all our many unique and original fonts,
> - Finding the entire TFCavalier on treacyfaces.com
> with partial character set showings takes about
> 43 seconds or less.
Maybe. IF you know the site to begin with. The opening screen gives no clue as
to where to start. The only "hot spots" are the ambiguous words ALL, BUY, TRY,
and ASK, and it's not even clear that they ARE hot spots - such as looking like
buttons. It's not until you mouse-over them that there's any indication that
they're more than words, and then all you see is the same word conveniently
translated into other languages.
And what words are they. For someone going there for the first time, BUY is
obvious, but unless I knew exactly what I was there for, that's not the first
thing I'd go to! TRY. Try WHAT? ASK. I haven't been here yet so I don't
have any questions. And then there's ALL. A word that can mean almost anything.
But, by power of elimination, one selects ALL.
And where does that take you? To the first of an unknown number of miniscule
screens, in alphabetic order, with two semi-circular hot spots, one leading to
the next screen and one, labeled "Prices", to an almost completely illegible
screen that apparently uses pixel fonts in Flash.
To get to a given font, one has to laboriously page through your entire list. In
fact, it's easier to go to the "Try" page and watch the scrolling mini-samples,
stopping the display with a mouse-over. 43 seconds is an eternity -
particularly when you don't know how far you're going to go, and in fact know
exactly where you want to go. Yes, it's possible to enter a number in the URL
and do a kind of binary search, but that's not ideal for too many people either!
NOTE: My display is a 17" LCD, set to 1280x1024 resolution. This makes your
pixel fonts VERY tiny, and your entire window only about 8x4 inches. The TRY
window is full screen and works very well!
Another human factors note: It has become a standard that a right arrow moves
forward and a double right arrow moves forward faster (or to the end). Your site
ignores that, and makes the double arrow take you someplace completely
different. It's not even symmetric with the left arrows, which DO act intuitively.
> - Starting to receive your own text in any
> Treacyfaces TF font present in our interactive online
> typesampler (TFCavalier included) happens in about
> 15 to 30 seconds, depending upon your net connection.
>
> You are readily able to typeset practically anything
> you'd like, including whatever characters or sentences
> you might need. The typesampler works best with
> Western encoding, although our CE, EE and Baltic fonts
> work fine on customers' actual keyboards.
> (See clients like Wizz Air in Central Europe,
> using our TFForever CE masterfully.)
>
> - After orienting yourself to the first online sample,
> subsequent samples usually will arrive at your computer
> in about 5 to 15 seconds.
>
> In point sizes from 24 to 60 point. With real kerning.
I have no problems with the Try function. It's both clear and functional.
> Rather easy to find, responsive and convenient, I'd say.
> Our hundreds of thousands of customers think so, too.
Very possibly. But maybe you'd have thousands of thousands of customers with a
friendlier site :)
> Thank you.
- Character
Brooks Moses
> In response to the earlier item about Treacyfaces.com (which appears now
> to have been retracted by its author), I'd like to point out that
> amongst all our many unique and original fonts,
>
> - Finding the entire TFCavalier on treacyfaces.com
> with partial character set showings takes about
> 43 seconds or less.
When I load treacyfaces.com, I get a blank white screen.
(Yes, I do know why. That doesn't make it ok.)
When I did turn on plug-ins in my browser, so that the page worked, I
clicked on "All" about four times after it first appeared on my screen,
and it did nothing. Only after I'd waited 20 seconds for the whole page
to load did it do anything.
Moreover, only when I went to the "Try" page and saw the long list there
did I realize that I hadn't seen all of the fonts when I clicked on the
"All" page. I thought that, when I saw the samples of a dozen fonts on
a page that I got to from a link saying "all", that that was all there was.
Also, the fonts on the "All" page are grouped by what fits on an
irrelevant "page size", not by family, making it difficult to compare
different fonts in a family against each other when they fall on
different pages.
There's no link from the "try" page back to the rest of the site. More
importantly, there's no easy way to switch back and forth between items
in the "all" catalog and the "try" page.
> Rather easy to find, responsive and convenient, I'd say.
> Our hundreds of thousands of customers think so, too.
You've asked them?
What about the people who go to the site but don't buy anything? Have
you checked your server logs to see how many potential customers load
the front page html but don't load the flash part of it, for instance?
(For that matter, have you considered that Google doesn't index flash
animations, meaning that your site doesn't show up on Google when
someone searches for your font names?)
On a different note -- I agree with Character: the "try" functionality
is great. It's well done, intuitive, and a good way to see what the
fonts look like in use. My one wish would be to have a mini-catalog of
font samples visible on the same page, rather than only the text-based list.
- Brooks
--
The "bmoses-nospam" address is valid; no unmunging needed.
jtr...@treacyfaces.com
...
> > - Finding the entire TFCavalier on treacyfaces.com
> > with partial character set showings takes about
> > 43 seconds or less.
>
> Maybe. IF you know the site to begin with.
Hm. That doesn't appear to be true. Location of type here has appeared
to be equally rapid for users of the site.
You do realize that you're visiting a type-related site, yes?
...
> NOTE: My display is a 17" LCD, set to 1280x1024 resolution. This makes your
> pixel fonts VERY tiny, and your entire window only about 8x4 inches. The TRY
> window is full screen and works very well!
>
> Another human factors note: It has become a standard that a right arrow moves
> forward and a double right arrow moves forward faster (or to the end).
Thanks, and that's why the single right arrow graphic button advances
one page and the double right arrow graphic button moves to the end.
I can tell you're more comfortable with older-style 'traditional' html presentation.
Thanks very much for your comments.
jtr...@treacyfaces.com
> When I load treacyfaces.com, I get a blank white screen.
>
> (Yes, I do know why. That doesn't make it ok.)
I quite agree. But our typical user has their Flash plug-in updated and
turned on. People who come to our site without at least a Flash 5 (circa
2000) plug-in installed and enabled are not going to be likely to be
buying here.
What's your professional job title as a type user there at Stanford, sir?
> > Rather easy to find, responsive and convenient, I'd say.
> > Our hundreds of thousands of customers think so, too.
>
> You've asked them?
Our customers typically tell us a lot about what they think of us and
how we conduct ourselves. We've had ongoing conversations with many of
our customers for years.
> What about the people who go to the site but don't buy anything?
I do not think we're alone in the universe of web sites where people
show up and only browse, or show up and leave immediately. That happens
to everyone.
> On a different note -- I agree with Character: the "try" functionality
> is great. It's well done, intuitive, and a good way to see what the
> fonts look like in use. My one wish would be to have a mini-catalog of
> font samples visible on the same page, rather than only the text-based list.
>
> - Brooks
Thanks very much for all your comments.
Andreas Höfeld
> 'Brooks Moses' wrote:
>
>
>> When I load treacyfaces.com, I get a blank white screen.
>>
>> (Yes, I do know why. That doesn't make it ok.)
>
>
> I quite agree. But our typical user has their Flash plug-in updated
> and turned on.
Type users are usually a very conservative lot. But it's up to
you whether you want your bait to please the fish or the fisher.
Andreas