OTF Fonts Don't Appear In Applications

[Dinsdale]

I have fourteen versions of Trade Gothic installed on my PC, in .otf
format.

I have to make edits to a Flash project file that's been handed to me,
along with a PDF file, but although the fonts are installed in my C:
\Windows\fonts folder, my applications do not recognize them.

When I launch Flash or lllustrator (to edit the PDF) I get this error
message:

"One or more of these fonts are not available"

TradeGothic
TradeGothic BolCondTwenty
TradeGothic BoldTwo
TradeGothic CondEighteen

But these fonts are clearly installed. Flash is asking me for
substitutes for these fonts, but I can't change to another font or
I'll mess up the design. If I bypass this error message, I can see
that the text in the Flash project file is actually calling for these
fonts.

Why can't Flash, Illustrator, or other applications see these fonts?

What's the trick to getting .otf format fonts to be recognized by my
applications?

The only Trade Gothic fonts that ARE recognized by applications (such
as Microsoft Word) are Trade Gothic LT.

Can anyone suggest a remedy for this? I'm in need of making edits to
several files that use these fonts.

Thanks!

[Character]

Dinsdale wrote:

A couple of problems are evident here.

One is that you have what are probably bad conversions of Mac fonts to
PC (which may also be against the terms of font licenses). The symptom
of this is the fact that Trade Gothic LT is recognized - my guess is
that ALL of your Trade Gothic fonts have that same family name, with
the condensed and other variations appearing only in other forms of
the font name, which Windows doesn't look at. Once it sees one, it
uses only the first one it sees with the same name, presuming that
anything else with the same family name and the same bold/italic flags
(or lack thereof) are the same font.

A second problem is that to AVOID confusion, Adobe's Open Type
versions have different font names than the previous Type 1 versions.
The OTF version of TradeGothic CondEighteen, for example, is named
TradeGothicLTStd-Cn18. If you don't have the original (and properly
named) fonts available, then once you obtain proper copies of the
current (OTF) replacements, you'll have to change what fonts are
requested by the documents. Because the OTF fonts have been edited,
with some problems corrected, this may result is some reflow changes.

- Character

[Character]

A bit of rewording of my previous message.

What you have are more likely NOT original otf versions at all, but
bad Mac to PC conversions of the original Type 1 fonts that have then
been converted to OTF.

- Character

[Dinsdale]

Thank You!

All I know is, I am assuming the responsibility of editing a Flash web
site and some PDF documents, and although I was provided the fonts
that go with the source files, my applications don't recognize them.

I don't see any broken icons, and the fonts appear to be "normal" in
the fonts folder. I can double click any of these problematic fonts,
and they open up a preview window just fine. I do see that they're
digitally signed.

TradeGothicLTStd Bd2.otf
EurostileLTStd-Demi.otf
TradeGothicLTStd BdCn20Obl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd BdCn20.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Bd2Obl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd BoldObl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd BoldExt.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Bold.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Cn18Obl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Cn18.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Extended.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Obl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd LightObl.otf
TradeGothicLTStd Light.otf
TradeGothicLTStd.otf

If I try to re-map the missing fonts in the dialog box when I launch
the project file in Flash, I just don't see the matching font
listed.

I can only assume that I need to purchase these fonts...?

Thanks again.

[Character]

Those appear to be the correct fonts. I just installed them and in MS
Word 2003 under Windows XP SP1, five varieties are listed. (Note: I
INSTALLED them under control panel fonts / File / Install New Font / -
I didn't just copy them to the fonts folder)

Illustrator 10 displays only "Trade Gothic LT Std" in its dropdown,
BUT SHOWS ALL 15 VARIETIES IN THE ADJACENT STYLE DROPDOWN. That's
because Adobe products recognize more than bold and italic styles of a
font family. Have you looked there?

- Characte

[Character]

Character wrote:
>>
>
> Those appear to be the correct fonts. I just installed them and in MS
> Word 2003 under Windows XP SP1, five varieties are listed. (Note: I
> INSTALLED them under control panel fonts / File / Install New Font / - I
> didn't just copy them to the fonts folder)
>
> Illustrator 10 displays only "Trade Gothic LT Std" in its dropdown,
> BUT SHOWS ALL 15 VARIETIES IN THE ADJACENT STYLE DROPDOWN. That's
> because Adobe products recognize more than bold and italic styles of a
> font family. Have you looked there?
>

> - Character

Forgot to mention - you would still need to change the name of the
fonts requested by the documents, since the docs are looking for a
different set of names for essentially equivalent fonts.

- Ch.

[Dinsdale]

As always, thanks, Character.

>since the docs are looking for a different set of names for essentially equivalent fonts...

Well, that's what seems to be the problem, actually. I'm having to re-
assign the old font names to the new fonts names that appear in the
application, which can be a pain, and time consuming. I'm finding I
have to match the fonts, weight, and point sizes to the existing
type.

>BUT SHOWS ALL 15 VARIETIES IN THE ADJACENT STYLE DROPDOWN

I haven't noticed that yet, and I'm using Illustrator CS2. Flash, on
the other hand, does NOT show these variations.

All I can do is bite the bullet, I suppose.

Thanks for all your help!