Unusual accents needed in QuarkXpress
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I have been asked to put scholarly material laid out in MS Word into
PC QuarkXPress. The project includes some transliterations of ancient
and modern Near East languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Sumerian, etc.) with
unusual accent marks.
MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
over the "a" to a caret. No good.
What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
into QuarkXPress?
Thanks very much,
__________
Rick Lanser
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Rick Lanser wrote in message <36c2dc65....@news3.enter.net>...
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|MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
|QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
|Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
|over the "a" to a caret. No good.
|
|What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
|into QuarkXPress?
I'm not sure you can generally do that, but I think I saw a Quark Xpress
xtension that imports whole Word 8.0 doucments. You might want to check it
out at www.quark.com , and add that importer to your xtensions.
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Rick Lanser wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I have been asked to put scholarly material laid out in MS Word into
> PC QuarkXPress. The project includes some transliterations of ancient
> and modern Near East languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Sumerian, etc.) with
> unusual accent marks.
>
> MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
> QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
> Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
> over the "a" to a caret. No good.
>
> What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
> into QuarkXPress?
>
Vic Forsman
>
>I have been asked to put scholarly material laid out in MS Word into
>PC QuarkXPress. The project includes some transliterations of ancient
>and modern Near East languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Sumerian, etc.) with
>unusual accent marks.
>
>MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
>QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
>Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
>over the "a" to a caret. No good.
>
>What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
>into QuarkXPress?
>
>Thanks very much,
>__________
>Rick Lanser
Most accented characters are accomplished on a PC by using the ASCII
Character Code charts. Most older reference manuals had them in the
appendix area. Basically, there is a 4 digit code that represents all
possible characters. To access them you hold down the alt key while the 4
digits on the numeric keypad. I don't see a reference for an a with a
straight line but there is one for an a with a tilde over it (it would be
alt 0277). I would be happy to send you a copy of the list I have as an
email attachment since binaries aren't allowed in this newsgroup.
Good luck.
Vic
Ananda das
> I have been asked to put scholarly material laid out in MS Word into
> PC QuarkXPress. The project includes some transliterations of ancient
> and modern Near East languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Sumerian, etc.) with
> unusual accent marks.
> MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
> QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
> Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
> over the "a" to a caret. No good.
> What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
> into QuarkXPress?
If Microsoft Word does this, they are probably employing some means to
fudge the macron character by repositioning the printer to output two
characters in the correct relationship to each other.
True amacron, imacron, umacron, rdotunder, ndotunder, sdotunder,
tdotunder, ddotunder, mdotunder, ndotover, sacute, etc., as used in
romanized representations of Sanskrit, require special fonts. I believe
ISKCON (the Hare Krishna movement) uses such fonts for their
transliterated Sanskrit texts. It's a good idea to consult archives of
scholarly fonts, and get the right ones you need. If you're doing a
polyglot document, it's better to get a Unicode font, and do an automated
text conversion. If you only need particular glyphs from one font and
other glyphs from another, I can make a font set for you in Fontographer.
Best wishes,
Ananda das
--
Please chant "Hare Krishna" and your life will be sublime.
Zarko Berberski
Rick Lanser wrote:
> MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
> QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
> Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
> over the "a" to a caret. No good.
If MS Word is using the font then it must be a regular registered and
available to all other programs, so Quark must see it. Therefore the
only problem seems to be the nasty "I know it better" conversion. First
thing you might want to try is saving file in older Word formats (6.0 and
2.0).
RTF might also be worth a try. Use ASCII as a last resort. Check if word is
saving this stuff properly. Then create sample Quark document with a set
of these special caracters, and see how it handles them when exporting
to some non-native format. Yes all this takes time but that is the best you
can do.
The goal is to find a reasonable formats which both Word and Quark
save correctly, and will hopefully load correctly. If all else fails you
will have to write some Word macros to convert your specials to some other,
Quark-friendly characters, and then use replace from Quark to turn them back.
I you have to do a lot of these conversions it will pay off to make a copy
of the incriminated font and use Fontographer to move glyphs you need to
more "friendly" positions, loosing some characters which you don't need for
the job. Then, when you are finished with editing in Word, you will change
font
to your custom version and use a simple macro with replace commands to change
characters from. So you would essentially use your old font for Word and the
new, custom font for Quark. Alternatively you could use some keyboard layout
editor to produce custom keyboard for your custom font so that you can do
everything with it – both Word and Quark job. During all this, don't change
your Windoze national setting from US or UK.
Final solution would be to simply use Mac and make yourself the life
a lot easier :-)
Gary Munch
understand about some MS apps, some are vaguely aware of Unicode (a whole
other topic; 16-bit/two bytes per character) and can use the sorts
available in Unicode fonts (of which there are so far few, as they are
large and much more complex than 8-bit/onebyte fonts. It's possible too
that there is something going on with Wd accessing the proper fonts on its
own.
Since apparently QXP isn't Unicode aware, and doesn't access the chars
properly, you will need to use a separate font for the macroned vowels;
find/replace I suppose. A kerning solution is possible, but surely is not
feasible for the many occurances this work probably entails.
Others may say, TeX!
Gary
In article <36c2dc65....@news3.enter.net>, ri...@under.net wrote:
>Hello folks,
>
>I have been asked to put scholarly material laid out in MS Word into
>PC QuarkXPress. The project includes some transliterations of ancient
>and modern Near East languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Sumerian, etc.) with
>unusual accent marks.
>
>MS Word includes special symbol fonts which have no analogue in
>QuarkXPress, such as the letter "a" with a straight line over it.
>Importing this text directly into Quark causes conversion of the line
>over the "a" to a caret. No good.
>
>What add-on or font do I need to put extended accenting capability
>into QuarkXPress?
>
>Thanks very much,
>__________
>Rick Lanser
>replace und with ent in email to reply
--
Gary Munch
gmu...@pipeline.com
http://members.aol.com/munchfonts/
Type & Type Design
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problem. I don't really understand Unicode and codepage matters yet,
but apparently Quark does have a problem with Unicode.
What I finally did on a tight schedule was to place a dash in front of
"a", raise the baseline of the dash, then change the kerning to pull
the "a" under the dash. But I do want to have a more permanent
solution, since variations of this situation will pop up in the
future.
Ananda das suggested I find an archive of scholarly fonts. Any
suggestions where?
I belated found a TrueType font (MS Symbol 1? - it's on my other
machine that I don't have access to at the moment) that DOES include
some of the special accented characters I want, and discovered I could
place them in my Quark document and have them display correctly when I
changed the font for that one letter. Problem is, such accented
letters in a different font do not match the appearance of the rest of
the type as well as I'd like.
I'm not familiar with Fontographer. Would this allow creation of
specific accented letters that will be in the type face I want,
whether Arial or Times Roman?
Gary Munch
>I want to thank everyone who has tried to help me with this font
>problem. I don't really understand Unicode and codepage matters yet,
>but apparently Quark does have a problem with Unicode.
>
>What I finally did on a tight schedule was to place a dash in front of
>"a", raise the baseline of the dash, then change the kerning to pull
>the "a" under the dash. But I do want to have a more permanent
>solution, since variations of this situation will pop up in the
>future.
Failing another, more graceful method, you might make several of these
composited kerned characters and make a separate text box for each, copying
and pasting as needed -- perhaps a separate document to hold them safely,
for future use.
>Ananda das suggested I find an archive of scholarly fonts. Any
>suggestions where?
Yamada Language Guides is a good resource, though one has to wonder if some
of the Timesish and Helvetican faces etc. are legitimately-made outlines or
are instead adaptations of commercial fonts, then released into the wild.
Some font tools will not, or, did not, properly read all the hinting code
in commercial-quality fonts, so the end results may be iffy -- not to
mention the possibility of faulty outlines in a home-brew solution.
As noted previously but perhaps not explained thoroughly, these characters
are standard in the Central and Eastern European languages; fonts that are
for those languages will have them ready-made. Good solid sources are
Linotype Library <http://www.linotypelibrary.com/> or <http://www.fonts.de>
or Adobe <http://www.adobe.com/> or Monotype <http://www.monotype.com/> or
Linguist's Software (url not at hand, it's in the [&] Links section of my
own site).
>I belated found a TrueType font (MS Symbol 1? - it's on my other
>machine that I don't have access to at the moment) that DOES include
>some of the special accented characters I want, and discovered I could
>place them in my Quark document and have them display correctly when I
>changed the font for that one letter. Problem is, such accented
>letters in a different font do not match the appearance of the rest of
>the type as well as I'd like.
>
>I'm not familiar with Fontographer. Would this allow creation of
>specific accented letters that will be in the type face I want,
>whether Arial or Times Roman?
Fontographer (Mac/PC) from Macromedia or FontLab from Pyrus (PC/--Mac
eagerly awaited) will do this, there is also Pyrus's Composer and a
shareware 'Softy' (PC); then too Apple's (they invented TT) tools are also
available, for Mac only <http://fonts.apple.com/>. Each tool has its
plusses and minuses, and the learning curves may not balance the cost of
licensing good off-the-shelf typeface font software.
>Thanks very much,
You're quite welcome.
>Rick Lanser
>replace und with ent in email to reply
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Michel Bujardet
> I want to thank everyone who has tried to help me with this font
> problem. I don't really understand Unicode and codepage matters yet,
> but apparently Quark does have a problem with Unicode.
>
> What I finally did on a tight schedule was to place a dash in front of
> "a", raise the baseline of the dash, then change the kerning to pull
> the "a" under the dash. But I do want to have a more permanent
> solution, since variations of this situation will pop up in the
> future.
The different Foreign Font solutions offered on the site below are
compatible with the US version of QuarkXpress. And I can create any
language needed.
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Stefan Zingg
> specific accented letters that will be in the type face I want,
> whether Arial or Times Roman?
Sure, that's what I'm doing often. Open the font of your choice, delete
characters you don't need and replace them with yours. Two caveats,
though:
- Be aware that you violate the copyright.
- Your font won't be compatible to anything else. So you have always to
install your own font when you decide to work on another computer. Same
for having your work outputted by a service bureau Here the easiest
solution is to go with PS files, but don't forget to rename your newly
created font.
Stefan