What the hell? NESticle
Arnie
Here is the text from the NESticle homepage today:
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Nesticle has been discontinued courtesy Mindrape
(mo...@futureone.com).
Email him your thanks.
I strongly suggest to anyone out there NOT to download any 'so called'
version of Nesticle that you find, as they may have been tampered
with. The final version was 0.21. No other ports or versions will be
made.
The SNESticle project has been discontinued as well.
My reasons are as follows:
Mindrape knew what he was doing and he was well aware of the
repercussions of his actions. Anyone that receives 'it' from him i
find to blame as well. He handed you the apple and you all took a
bite...banished from eden you are. For those reasons and for the
greedyness of the general public i finally have realized that people
do not deserve a free emulator such as this. The only thing people
care about is "when is the next version out?" (amen y0shi). Nesticle
has made a lot of NES lovers happy, and the very possibility that a
new release of Nesticle would be enough to give Mindrape one small
shred of happiness is enough to discontinue it permanently.
This is how it is, this is my final statement, do NOT email me about
continuing NESticle.
Nesticle Copyright 1997 Bloodlust software
Any distribution, reproduction, or modification is a violation of this
copyright.
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Whats the deal? Anyone know what went on for this to happen?
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Brian Stentzel
On Mon, 07 Apr 1997 23:49:35 GMT, ma...@qcsn.com (Arnie) wrote:
I as well wish to know what happened. I just downloaded the thing
today for the first time and was just getting to like it...
Mr. Morden
> care about is "when is the next version out?" (amen y0shi). Nesticle
> has made a lot of NES lovers happy, and the very possibility that a
> new release of Nesticle would be enough to give Mindrape one small
> shred of happiness is enough to discontinue it permanently.
> This is how it is, this is my final statement, do NOT email me about
> continuing NESticle.
I hope this guy still reads this newsgroup, because I want him to know
that he's being a damned greedy son of a bitch about this.
He said that "Nesticle has made a lot of NES lovers happy", and it's
true. He's made me happy. He's made ALL of us here happy (except the
spammers). He obviously enjoys doing what he does, or else he would not
have begun work on Nesticle. So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
Mr. Morden
"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million... It is
a statistic."
--Josef Stalin
P.S. Who wants to mass-mail this guy and give HIM a token of gratitude?
Remember this, Mindrape didn't make him quit... He did that on his own.
Jeff Vavasour
In <MPG.db5cb0d7...@news.msy.bellsouth.net> mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden) writes:
>So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
>think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
>Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
>Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
Proprietorship.
>P.S. Who wants to mass-mail this guy and give HIM a token of gratitude?
>Remember this, Mindrape didn't make him quit... He did that on his own.
Yes, and when you have your house broken into continuously, you shouldn't
blame the criminals for making you move, right?
- Jeff
Jared Holzman
Don't be ridculous of course its not greed, how can you have greed for an
emulator that is free. Sarku is just offended that people took his source
that he had worked on for ages without asking. Its a bit like stealing
someones car after they just built it. It's very hurtfull. If you do wanna
get angry and mass mail someone about it then mass mail yourself because
its everybodys greedy attitude that made it get canceled in the first place
Arnie
On Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:50:15 -0500, mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden)
wrote:
>I hope this guy still reads this newsgroup, because I want him to know
>that he's being a damned greedy son of a bitch about this.
Even if nothing happened he owes us NOTHING. He could have stopped at
any time for NO reason.
>have begun work on Nesticle. So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
>think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
>Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
I think this is very fra from the truth and makes no sense anyway. If
this were true, he would never have made the damn thing.
>Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
I am not making any threats, but the way to handle this thing would be
to kick whomevers ass fucked with you and go on with the project.
One more thing. Maybe have a little better security so this kind of
stuff can't happen.
All I know is NESticle kicks ass and I am pretty pissed it is dead.
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Robert H
On 10 Apr 1997 09:39:01 GMT, "Jared Holzman"
<hol...@cleo.murdoch.edu.au> wrote:
I don't understand why he quit though? Even if the code was stolen,
isn't he more upset at starting something and not finishing? I would
be- especially since we all know he's capable of it.
As for the code being stolen- yes, it's a crime. But stolen is not
the proper word when applied to software. After all, HE still has it,
and nothing is stopping him from continuing, except himself.
Jeff Vavasour
In <334d9c36.11303629@news-server> el...@neo.lrun.com (Robert H) writes:
>I don't understand why he quit though? Even if the code was stolen,
>isn't he more upset at starting something and not finishing? I would
>be- especially since we all know he's capable of it.
The impression given elsewhere is that this was the "last straw". It wasn't
like everything was fine and happy up until the incident. It's likely
he was increasingly harrassed/nagged over the thing, which would put anybody
in a bad mood. In that state of mind, following up with a full-blown violation
like that would probably be enough to make him feel it's simply not worth it
to himself to put up with the aggreviation. At any rate, obviously he isn't
*more* upset over starting something and not finishing it. Besides, maybe
he'll continue to work on it in private. Creating something has its own
rewards. You don't need public approval for it to be satisfying.
- Jeff
Blazing Dragon
Jeff Vavasour wrote:
>
> In <MPG.db5cb0d7...@news.msy.bellsouth.net> mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden) writes:
> >think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
> >Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
>
>
>
> >P.S. Who wants to mass-mail this guy and give HIM a token of gratitude?
> >Remember this, Mindrape didn't make him quit... He did that on his own.
>
> Yes, and when you have your house broken into continuously, you shouldn't
> blame the criminals for making you move, right?
>
Hmm, that is just a wee bit of an exageration, first of all, Nesticle
wasn't written before Ines was coming about, and I am quite sure that
Nesticle man examined Marat's work and all, got ideas, and thought of
better ways of doing it in his emulator, which is the best fucking
way,.. hell, like i've said before, if we really want a good emulator,
join up together, ... Marat, the nesticle guy, Jeremy Koot, and a few
others, whoever is reading this, and I know, that if they did, we would
have one helluva emulator, and wouldn't have to go thru all this shit,..
.. I think it is fine to get the code, and change things to make them
better,.. (but give recognition of course, and if it is sold, a
percentage of the earnings should be given to the nesticle man...,
because he started it) back to why I responded to this message,..
Software and Real Life is different, I mean, criminals who break into
your house can physically abuse or kill you, and take all your
valuables, software criminals can only take what you put out, it may
hurt you mentally, but you shouldn't give up, or just quit, ... he
obviously liked to the damned emulator, so why quit,.. I ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE OUT THERE TO CONTINUE HIS WORK, get the damned code, work with
others on it, and put out the best damned nintendo emulator ever,... if
he won't finish it, it's his own damn fault, ... I guarentee he wont'
just sit back and watch very long,... he will try to make something
better.. that's just how things work, and that's how people work for
that matter...
Most people are pretty damned greedy, hell, they want all the cash
themselves, and don't want to work with other really talented people,
because they wouldn't want to split their profits with anyone else,..
they also don't like giving out their software, ... there is no sure way
of stopping someone from ripping off your code!!!, no matter what you
do,.. you can't have password options, because someone will give out the
code!, or has a codebreaker program that will run thru every possible
code till the thing works,.. the best way is to only send part of the
game, but this can also be ripped off because someone can steal the
code..... but at least couldn't be played fully till registered,... oh
well, if you want, write back...
> - Jeff
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Jeff Vavasour
In <0cye4AAp...@ukonline.co.uk> Mike <r.b...@ukonline.co.uk> writes:
>What are you up to at the moment, Jeff? Digital Arcade is excellent.
The sequel. Funny you call it that (Digital Arcade) as it hasn't really
had that name since the Mac version. (It's still in there on some of the
screens, but the box has a different title.)
- Jeff
Mike
In article <5ikcg6$cr9$1...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Jeff Vavasour
<je...@physics.ubc.ca> writes
What are you up to at the moment, Jeff? Digital Arcade is excellent.
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Drew Online!
I think the whole thing is stupid, sure it is a good emulator, but the guy
didn't discover the cure for AIDS. It is just an 8-bit emulator.. use
Nesticle now.. there will be another soon.
This is a promise, not a guess.
It's very close now.
Arnie <ma...@qcsn.com> wrote in article <3349873d...@news.qcsn.com>...
> Here is the text from the NESticle homepage today:
>
>
> -----------------------start-------------------------------------------
>
> Nesticle has been discontinued courtesy Mindrape
> (mo...@futureone.com).
> Email him your thanks.
>
> I strongly suggest to anyone out there NOT to download any 'so called'
> version of Nesticle that you find, as they may have been tampered
bla...bla...bla.. whine whine sniffle sniffle.. You hurt me I don't want
to play with you anymore..etc...etc..
Tony Smolar
On 10 Apr 1997 01:52:55 GMT, Jeff Vavasour <je...@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
> In <MPG.db5cb0d7...@news.msy.bellsouth.net> mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden) writes:
> >So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
> >think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
> >Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
>
> >Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
What kind of mentality is it that makes you think that you are entitled to
anything anyone else has written?
Jeff Vavasour
In <5in4ne$hsp$1...@decius.ultra.net> asm...@localhost.localdomain (Tony Smolar) writes:
>On 10 Apr 1997 01:52:55 GMT, Jeff Vavasour <je...@physics.ubc.ca> wrote:
Actually, I DIDN'T write anything that was quoted.
>> In <MPG.db5cb0d7...@news.msy.bellsouth.net> mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden) writes:
>> >So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
>> >think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
>> >Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
>>
>> >Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
>What kind of mentality is it that makes you think that you are entitled to
>anything anyone else has written?
*Please* be careful when following up on letters to get the attributions
accurate. Someone about a year and a half ago did exactly what you did,
leaving my name at the top of the citation list, but quoting someone else.
A writer for a game magazine saw the post, got confused by the misleading
(though correctly indented) citation. The writer, in an international
magazine, then went on to print that quote criticising the distribution
company of a product I wrote for a lack of faith in the product and poor
handling of it. He attributed the quote to me and identified me as the
author. Needless to say I got hell for that, and boy was I steamed. I did
finally set the record straight with everyone and the magazine printed a
correction three or four months later, but I still wonder how much harm it
did.
Anyway, once bitten...
- Jeff
Ben Boxman
Hi!
> Software and Real Life is different, I mean, criminals who break into
> your house can physically abuse or kill you, and take all your
> valuables, software criminals can only take what you put out, it may
> hurt you mentally, but you shouldn't give up, or just quit, ... he
hampers your ability of making a profit from what you wrote. And yes a couple
hundreds of work hours into a peice of software is just as tangible as assets
in your house. Time is money, plain and simple.
> obviously liked to the damned emulator, so why quit,.. I ENCOURAGE
> PEOPLE OUT THERE TO CONTINUE HIS WORK, get the damned code, work with
> others on it, and put out the best damned nintendo emulator ever,... if
> he won't finish it, it's his own damn fault, ... I guarentee he wont'
> just sit back and watch very long,... he will try to make something
> better.. that's just how things work, and that's how people work for
> that matter...
That would be illegal. The code belongs to the author. If I were him and I saw
someone abusing my rights on a peice of software -- I would sue their pants
off. The code belongs to the author. He can do with it whatever he wants --
including discontinuing the product. No one has any right to steal the code.
I also extremely doubt that an honest programmer would improve on Nesticle's
code. If a programmer were to imporve it, he would have to do it annynomously.
> Most people are pretty damned greedy, hell, they want all the cash
> themselves, and don't want to work with other really talented people,
> because they wouldn't want to split their profits with anyone else,..
> they also don't like giving out their software, ...
Why should they give out their software? Would you work for free? Your
attitude is sickning.
> there is no sure way
> of stopping someone from ripping off your code!!!, no matter what you
No there is no sure way. But there are some very nice deternets, such as
putting the name of person who bought the software on it at sale time, in a
couple of very nicely encrypted files -- breaking this would be near
impossible... Pirating would be possible -- but only if you were willing to
have your name circulating around on a stolen peice of software(with all the
legal reprecuations involved).
If you realy hate the way things are today... Well put in a few hours
yourself.
C'ya,
Ben Boxman
Mr. Morden
> Stolen software can hut a hell of alot more than mentally. Stolen software
> hampers your ability of making a profit from what you wrote. And yes a couple
> hundreds of work hours into a peice of software is just as tangible as assets
> in your house. Time is money, plain and simple.
That's the thing I don't understand. NESticle was made free! He loses
no profit if someone else knows how he made it. And MindFuck DOESN'T
know how he planned to make SNESticle, so what was the point in quitting
that? He's pissed, so he's got to piss all of us off by denying us a
good SNES emulator, possible the first one with sound?
Mr. Morden
"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million... It is
a statistic."
--Josef Stalin, C&C Red Alert
Matt Howell
>I think the whole thing is stupid, sure it is a good emulator, but the guy
>didn't discover the cure for AIDS. It is just an 8-bit emulator.. use
>Nesticle now.. there will be another soon.
Aha, but we can't use up emulator authors like kleenex. We've got to
treat well the ones who are doing stuff for the rest of us. Admit it,
99% of the people here are here to use emulators without writing one.
No one's going to stick around unless we do appreciate the one's we've
got.
Matt
Joel Gonzales (Mana Knight)
On Sun, 13 Apr 1997 12:16:03 -0500, mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden)
wrote:
>
>> Stolen software can hut a hell of alot more than mentally. Stolen software
>> hampers your ability of making a profit from what you wrote. And yes a couple
>> hundreds of work hours into a peice of software is just as tangible as assets
>> in your house. Time is money, plain and simple.
>
>That's the thing I don't understand. NESticle was made free! He loses
>no profit if someone else knows how he made it. And MindFuck DOESN'T
>know how he planned to make SNESticle, so what was the point in quitting
Wether it's free or not isn't the question. it's what
MindRape did with his source. Looking at your response, I can tell
that you don't program. You don't understand (Which is perfectly
acceptable) what damage you feel when your source code, which you
spent a damn good amount of hours making, is now free for all to rip.
Worst of all is that the source was FREE because that's the way the
author thought it should be. It was abused, and the consiquences must
be paid.
>that? He's pissed, so he's got to piss all of us off by denying us a
>good SNES emulator, possible the first one with sound?
Almost. It was made to show people that he's fed up with some
of the additudes in the scene. He's taking a stand. Something
someone should have done a long while ago against lamers like
MindRape.
Since NESticle was free, the only satisfaction the author got
was, "look! I made this! I contributed something." Now everyone
and their borther is going to take that source code, and rip it to
shreads. I wouldn't be suprised if someone takes the NESticle source,
makes some cosmedic changes, and releases this "New NES emulator"
under a diffrent name. If you don't think it'll happen, take a look
at some of the source code ripping in the PC demo Scene.
>Mr. Morden
>"When you kill one, it is a tragedy. When you kill ten million... It is
>a statistic."
>--Josef Stalin, C&C Red Alert
As a final note, Maybe work on NESticle will resume if no-one
abuses the source code. (WHich is highly unlikely, but it's something
to hope for.)
Sorry for my long ranting. :)
-Mana Knight
Nick S Bensema
In article <3353c875...@news.cris.com>,
Joel Gonzales (Mana Knight) <Jo...@Cris.com> wrote:
>
> As a final note, Maybe work on NESticle will resume if no-one
>abuses the source code. (WHich is highly unlikely, but it's something
>to hope for.)
Maybe nobody will have to abuse the source code if work on NESticle
resumes. Catch-22.
The source code to VGB was freely available for a long time. How many
people "abused" that? A few hundred lines of in-line ASM and an extra
perk or two would have totally blown away Marcel de Kogel's version.
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> As a final note, Maybe work on NESticle will resume if no-one
>abuses the source code. (WHich is highly unlikely, but it's something
>to hope for.)
>
> Sorry for my long ranting. :)
>
> -Mana Knight
I don't consider what you said ranting.
I consider it to be right.
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Akop Karapetyan
dream on! dekogel's version rules! If everyone was so smart about
writing emulators, about 500 of them would be out there right now
On 15 Apr 1997 09:27:01 -0700, ni...@primenet.com (Nick S Bensema)
wrote:
>In article <3353c875...@news.cris.com>,
>Joel Gonzales (Mana Knight) <Jo...@Cris.com> wrote:
>>
>> As a final note, Maybe work on NESticle will resume if no-one
>>abuses the source code. (WHich is highly unlikely, but it's something
>>to hope for.)
>
James Helferty
> The source code to VGB was freely available for a long time. How many
> people "abused" that? A few hundred lines of in-line ASM and an extra
> perk or two would have totally blown away Marcel de Kogel's version.
>
Good point. I'd like to point out, too, that he gives the source away, even
though a programmer with ANY brains could adapt VGB to DirectX with no
trouble at all (the source is freely available, and there's a Win32 release
of GNU called Ming-Cygnus that's free too.) And it'd blow away the WinG
version currently available. A project worth checking into for the
experienced, yet just getting into emulation code, C programmer.
The nice thing about DirectX support is that it'd be a snap to throw in
some networking code. Think about it: playing Tetris against the masters in
Russia over the internet on the system (sorta) that it was meant to be
played on. Not too hard, what with all of the free code, examples, etc. And
that sprite-clipping routine could be cleaned up too.. ;-)
Hey, maybe someone out there could do this for us. It wouldn't be that hard
to throw a GUI on it, what with all of the utils available now.
(I can't do this sorta stuff myself; I'm just a lowly Pascal programmer.
I'm getting into C right now, but it's not as easy as it looks.. :)
BTW, if you don't believe that it can be done, check out the Win-32 version
of UAE. It's written totally in this Win95 port of GNU C. And it screams.
For an Amiga Emulator with full sound, that is.. :-)
So who's up to it? Send me an e-mail, and I'll get you the relevant URLs
for the info you need, and the compiler & libraries required. We need a new
version of VGB! And when you're done with VGB, maybe someone might consider
passing the NESticle source over for an overhaul, and possibly the
SNESticle source/idea/planning stuff too.. :-) Any takers? This IS a major
project, understand that. I'll give you the info/data. You do the work.
Deal? Deal.
BTW, I'm not joking about this. I've got the stuff. If you need it, just
ask. But that means you MUST rewrite VGB... :-)
James
Aaron Levitz
>> Almost. It was made to show people that he's fed up with some
>>of the additudes in the scene. He's taking a stand. Something
>>someone should have done a long while ago against lamers like
>>MindRape.
Mostly agree with you, except for the key points:
1) He could have taken a more _productive_ stand, and
2) MindRape isn't a lamer.
I don't think a lot of thought went into shutting down NESticle. It was
done in anger.
If he came back today and said "All right, folks, you've got one more
chance...", that might have a positive impact on the emulator crowd. People
might treat each other with respect, if only out of fear. No one wants to see
this happen again.
But he hasn't come back, and it's been long enough to conclude that he's not
going to. All he's done is point his finger and throw us into turmoil.
>> Since NESticle was free, the only satisfaction the author got
>>was, "look! I made this! I contributed something."
Past tense. I'm sure he derives much satisfaction now from the chaos he's
created by discontinuing it. Think how much e-mail he gets every day from us
grovelling worms. Look at all the web sites with flaming mailto: links to
Mindrape's mailbox. Look what he contributed...
>> I wouldn't be suprised if someone takes the NESticle source,
>>makes some cosmedic changes, and releases this "New NES emulator"
>>under a diffrent name.
At this point, I don't see that happening. I think it would have, had he
not immediately discontinued it, but nobody's going to do anything so
blatant now.
I _am_ sure people will program off his code, but they'll all acknowledge
where it came from, and the boldest of them will keep the name NESticle.
Other emulators may suddenly improve in areas they were weak before, and
Bloodlust will be credited in readme files everywhere. But no one's going to
treat the source code with disrespect, or the public will turn their wrath
away from Mindrape long enough to make those programmers regret it.
>> As a final note, Maybe work on NESticle will resume if no-one
>>abuses the source code. (WHich is highly unlikely, but it's something
>>to hope for.)
You'll notice no one's stopped distributing NESticle, in violation of the
Author's wishes. I don't think the source code _matters_ anymore. We're
all vermin, far as he's concerned.
>> Sorry for my long ranting. :)
>>
>I don't consider what you said ranting.
>I consider it to be right.
There's no incorrectness implied in the word "rant". Just a level of
emotional attachment. No reason ranting can't be right. If you need an
example, find someplace that has HBO and watch just about any episode of
Dennis Miller. = )
But now I'm just nit-picky.
Aaron Levitz
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In article <5ihh5n$8ne$1...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>, je...@physics.ubc.ca (Jeff Vavasour) says:
>
> In <MPG.db5cb0d7...@news.msy.bellsouth.net> mor...@bellsouth.net (Mr. Morden) writes:
> >So why quit? Does anyone know why? I
> >think I know why. Pure and simple greed. If he alone can't make
> >Nesticle, then no one can have Nesticle.
>
> >Now, what the fuck kind of mentality is this?
>
>Proprietorship.
>
> >P.S. Who wants to mass-mail this guy and give HIM a token of gratitude?
> >Remember this, Mindrape didn't make him quit... He did that on his own.
>
>Yes, and when you have your house broken into continuously, you shouldn't
>blame the criminals for making you move, right?
>
>- Jeff
That is hardly a logical analogy!
Steven Lucas
Aaron Levitz wrote:
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How are you going to enforce this? It's virtually impossible right now
to sue a cracker that breaks into someone's internet service provider
due to the outrageous demands of proof from the court system--much less
find the person who sent you e-mail!
Jaldarth
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Melissa Holland <mjh...@midwest.net> wrote in article
<t6Bs7Q1...@sparky.midwest.net>...
It's at least as logical as blaming the victim for the way he responds to
the offense. I didn't mean it as a 100% analogy, but since it comes up: I
don't know if you've ever had your house or car broken into, but there's a
sense of violation that goes beyond "damn, he got my CDs." It's a
perfectly valid analogy in that respect, particularly when a computer
violation is much easier to repeat than a physical break-in.
- Jeff
Matt Howell
On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:54:55 -0400, Jaldarth <mai...@another.time>
wrote:
>Matt Howell wrote:
>>
>> snip snip snip snip hah
>>
>> Aha, but we can't use up emulator authors like kleenex. We've got to
>> treat well the ones who are doing stuff for the rest of us. Admit it,
>> 99% of the people here are here to use emulators without writing one.
>> No one's going to stick around unless we do appreciate the one's we've
>> got.
>>
>> Matt
>
>You really think that 1% of the people in this newgroup have written an
>emulator? ;)
Oh, sorry. I have this horrible problem, that I exaggerate too much.
Sorry if I threw anyone off by misevaluating the situation.
Matt
nova
It aint his fault.He just got fed up with everybody, thats what
happened.Mindrape was just the last straw.He couldnt put up with all the
assholes that were in the emulation scen.By the way, the next version of
snes prof. is going to have sound
Mr. Morden <mor...@bellsouth.net> wrote in article
<MPG.dbad0c99...@news.msy.bellsouth.net>...
> > Stolen software can hut a hell of alot more than mentally. Stolen
software
> > hampers your ability of making a profit from what you wrote. And yes a
couple
> > hundreds of work hours into a peice of software is just as tangible as
assets
> > in your house. Time is money, plain and simple.
>
> That's the thing I don't understand. NESticle was made free! He loses
> no profit if someone else knows how he made it. And MindFuck DOESN'T
> know how he planned to make SNESticle, so what was the point in quitting
> that? He's pissed, so he's got to piss all of us off by denying us a
> good SNES emulator, possible the first one with sound?
>
Omar
I found this ROM in paso format, but it doesn't convert to iNES
correctly... anyone got a working .NES version of punchout?