What would be the first C64 cracking group you'd think of?
Roel N
I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was that
useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on "normal
C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
Let me have your thought!
Cheers,
Roel N
LCF/SCS-TRC
Forrest
Well, in the US there was nobody that cracked more stuff between 1987 and
1988 then Eagle Soft Inc. They're the first group that comes to my mind,
UCF would be second and ATC or NEC third.
Forrest
Florian Hinz
Forrest schrieb:
> Well, in the US there was nobody that cracked more stuff between 1987 and
> 1988 then Eagle Soft Inc. They're the first group that comes to my mind,
> UCF would be second and ATC or NEC third.
>
> Forrest
>
Yeah right, I also remember that picture with the eagle on it! :-)
But I think the first group I'd think of definitely is Ikari. I had a lot of games
cracked by them and if I think about the C64 I often also think about those Ikari
intros...
Kai Nielsen
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why that? I started like that, but was more interested in Demos later, 'cause
I tried to do them myself...
> They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
> group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was that
> useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
Hotline, Triad, Beastie Boys, 1001
I am slightly drunk right now, I am too lazy to think about it, so those
names must have been big for me because I can think of them nevertheless.... ;-)
Kai.
P.S.
Really *noone* remembers Bytestar?
--
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"She turns me on I'll stay clean tonight
But I'm only dancing" But the little green wheels are following me
Oh no, not again
SAW
Roel N <sp...@me.not> wrote in message news:8eprn1$qli$1...@news.IAEhv.nl...
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used
to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
> group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was
that
> useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
"normal
> C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
>
> Let me have your thought!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roel N
> LCF/SCS-TRC
>
Lol, Zenith, Laser, SCS*TRC & Avantgarde.... But then I would say those as
I was a member of all of them.... Late 80's? Probably Fusion, Zenith and
Ikari.... 90's Ikari/Talent, Illusion and SCS*TRC of course...
Steve
SAW
Forrest <fm...@almighty.c64.org> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.21.00050...@almighty.c64.org...
>
> Well, in the US there was nobody that cracked more stuff between 1987 and
> 1988 then Eagle Soft Inc. They're the first group that comes to my mind,
> UCF would be second and ATC or NEC third.
I forgot the US groups.... Didn't you forget FBR in that lot?!?!
Steve
>
> Forrest
>
> On 3 May 2000, Roel N wrote:
>
SAW
Kai Nielsen <k...@mortal.de> wrote in message
news:m1pur3q...@gloomy.mortal.de...
> sp...@me.not (Roel N) writes:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
> > C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used
to
> > have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
>
> Why that? I started like that, but was more interested in Demos later,
'cause
> I tried to do them myself...
>
> > group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that
was that
> > useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
> I am slightly drunk right now, I am too lazy to think about it, so those
> names must have been big for me because I can think of them
nevertheless.... ;-)
>
> Kai.
>
> P.S.
> Really *noone* remembers Bytestar?
I remember Bytestar, so nerr ;P
Steve
Dohi
I'd say Ikari. Nowadays I like REM and L+T best, coz they make the
best versions, most of the time with hisavers and docs.
Roel N wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
> They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
> group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was that
> useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
> I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on "normal
> C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
>
> Let me have your thought!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Roel N
> LCF/SCS-TRC
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Sune Mika Salminen
"Roel N" <sp...@me.not> skrev i en meddelelse
news:8eprn1$qli$1...@news.IAEhv.nl...
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used
to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
> They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
> group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was
that
> useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
> I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on
"normal
> C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
>
> Let me have your thought!
>
Many of my games were cracked by a group called IKARI. Also TRIAD comes to
mind.
-Sune
Gizbern
Forrest
On Wed, 3 May 2000, SAW wrote:
>
> Forrest <fm...@almighty.c64.org> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.21.00050...@almighty.c64.org...
> >
> > Well, in the US there was nobody that cracked more stuff between 1987 and
> > 1988 then Eagle Soft Inc. They're the first group that comes to my mind,
> > UCF would be second and ATC or NEC third.
>
> I forgot the US groups.... Didn't you forget FBR in that lot?!?!
>
> Steve
>
Well, FBR did import alot of stuff, but I don't recall much cracking being
done by FBR, so I wasn't sure they fit into the question :)
By the way, if you're looking to download ESI, UCF, or ATC stuff, visit my
website. I've got all of the ESI and UCF stuff that I have on the
website, and I'm still working on gathering up all the ATC stuff.
Theres still a lot of ESI stuff I don't have though, so if anyone has any
ESI cracks that I'm missing please send them :) I just received a copy of
World Games cracked by ESI but haven't put it on my website yet.
Forrest
OVERDOC
Also Fairlight and Legend haven't been mentioned, yet...
Overdoc
Roel N schrieb in Nachricht <8eprn1$qli$1...@news.IAEhv.nl>...
>Hi guys,
>
>I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
>C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
>have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
>They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
>group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was
that
>useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
>I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on
"normal
>C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
>
>Let me have your thought!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Roel N
>LCF/SCS-TRC
>
Thomas Bätzler
>On 3 May 2000 18:38:25 GMT, Roel N wrote:
>>I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
>>C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
>The first came into my mind was "1103", AFAIK a German cracker. I think 1983
>he cracked Commodore's soccer.
1103. Hey! I was going to post that :-) He also cracked Loderunner
and Way Out, if memory serves me right. I've wondered for quite a
while where that name came from. The best theory I've got by now is
that it's the chip number for the first SRAM chip.
Ciao,
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"I see a lot of people walkin' round here with tombstones in their eyes"
Martijn van Buul
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
> known C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
When I got my '64 (1983?), the group I knew most must have been the
German Cracking Service. I hope I'm ot insulting anyone, but that group
is still very high on my "Name a group, anyone will do" list, because
of its mindboggingly lame intro. It was that lame, that I still think
they didn't crack a single game, but just spreaded them with the original
intro removed.
> I mean - somebody who used to have a C64 in the late eighties (or
> before/after that) and only played games on it.
Oh. Late eighties... Hotline, Fairlight, 1001
Martijn
(MM/NBTAE)
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Matthew W. Miller
>I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
>known C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
In the order they come to my mind:
Crackers/Traders:
- Fusion: Man and Machine
- Zenith
- Eagle Soft Inc. (of course!)
- The Bandit (maker of the world's most messed-up crack, one of M.U.L.E.)
- Blade Runner
- Bluebeard the Pirate
- Red Skull
- Underground Software Inc.
- Sauron
- Antischutz
- 1103 (master of subtlety, often just changed message to (c)1103...)
Importers
- International Network of Chaos (INC)
- Mad Hatter
Probably others, but I'd better stop before the FBI and Metallica come
knocking on my door. :)
--
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Martijn van Buul
> >The first came into my mind was "1103", AFAIK a German cracker. I think 1983
> >he cracked Commodore's soccer.
>
> 1103. Hey! I was going to post that :-)
1103! How could've I forgotten him/her!. That girl you have to save in
Donkey Kong (I assume that it is the Princess) screams "1103" in my version..
(I have similiar thoughts with Oerm (aka B.C's quest for Tires), but I'm not
too sure)
MagerValp
RN> What would be the cracker group that *they* would remember?
All my early games were cracked by Mr Z, later on Fairlight, Ikari,
Eagle Soft, Triad, Dynamic Duo, and more...
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The first cracktro I can remember seeing was the EagleSoft on Pirates!
j.
Roel N wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
Thomas Bätzler
>When I got my '64 (1983?), the group I knew most must have been the
>German Cracking Service. I hope I'm ot insulting anyone, but that group
>is still very high on my "Name a group, anyone will do" list, because
>of its mindboggingly lame intro. It was that lame, that I still think
>they didn't crack a single game, but just spreaded them with the original
>intro removed.
Sure, the GCS "intro" wasn't mindboggling or anything - but at least
in my recollection, they were among the first to have one. As for the
intro removal theory - an example against that is their crack of
Zaxxon. Not only were they the first to crack it, but they also put in
that nifty bit of code that would check for the file name - if you
wanted to run it, it had to be loaded as "GCS Zaxxon" ;-)
SAW
Martijn van Buul <pino+comp_e...@dohd.cx> wrote in message
news:slrn8h2n3a.7va.pino...@mud.stack.nl...
> It occurred to me that Thomas Bätzler wrote in comp.emulators.cbm:
>
> > >The first came into my mind was "1103", AFAIK a German cracker. I think
1983
> > >he cracked Commodore's soccer.
> >
> > 1103. Hey! I was going to post that :-)
>
> 1103! How could've I forgotten him/her!. That girl you have to save in
> Donkey Kong (I assume that it is the Princess) screams "1103" in my
version..
>
> (I have similiar thoughts with Oerm (aka B.C's quest for Tires), but I'm
not
> too sure)
Also let's not forget GCS (German Cracking Service) and Crackman....
Steve
SAW
Matthew W. Miller <ma...@infinet.com> wrote in message
news:3911375b$0$95091$140e...@news.tdin.com...
> On 3 May 2000 18:38:25 GMT, Roel N <sp...@me.not> wrote:
> >known C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
>
>
> Crackers/Traders:
> - Fusion: Man and Machine
> - Zenith
Nice to see someone remembers Zenith ;)
Steve/Zenith
Johan Fitié
<steve.wi...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>Matthew W. Miller <ma...@infinet.com> wrote in message
>news:3911375b$0$95091$140e...@news.tdin.com...
>> On 3 May 2000 18:38:25 GMT, Roel N <sp...@me.not> wrote:
>> >I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
>> >known C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
>>
>> In the order they come to my mind:
>>
>> Crackers/Traders:
>> - Fusion: Man and Machine
>> - Zenith
>
>Nice to see someone remembers Zenith ;)
>
>Steve/Zenith
I think it was Zenith who have cracked VectorBall
It was one of my fav games :)
/Johan
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tunnel Is just a freight train, coming your way (Metallica)
Martin Brunner
>They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
>group that *they* would remember?
I think most of the games where from Eagle Soft wher I print out the
picture when I got my cartridge.
Then something like TDK, because it was an Austrian cracking group.
Also I remember Isepic which spreaded 2-filed games like if you save
them with a Final cartrige.
Then Bencor Brothers (which were rare I think).
And really lame was the German Cracking Group, because you couldn't
stop the lame intro. (Well, those Germans ;-)))
Martin Brunner
>The first came into my mind was "1103", AFAIK a German cracker. I think 1983
>he cracked Commodore's soccer.
Ahh, so that's why the boards say "1103"...
Christian Link
<mar...@finwds01.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote:
>Also I remember Isepic which spreaded 2-filed games like if you save
>them with a Final cartrige.
Uh, yeah, Isepic! I remember this guy, too. Quite a competent cracker.
If he wouldn't have been that small (Around the size of a cartridge!)
and if he had only answered if you asked him a question regarding how
he did all this work! Oh well, and I always got the suspicion, he was
just using a cartridge ;-))) ...
You don't happen to remember the group Freeze Frame as well?
Chris.
OVERDOC
Martin Brunner schrieb in Nachricht ...
[ snip ]
>Then something like TDK, because it was an Austrian cracking group.
>
I'm sure you mean TSK ( The Softkiller ) Crew, which later changed their
name to Cosmos. I just remember Antitrack, who was one of the best crackers
around....
Other Austrian groups I remember were TAC ( The Austrian Crew ), Softguru,
Softtiger Crew and Vienna Cracking Service, but they were all spreaders or
importers, not crackers like Cosmos.
>Also I remember Isepic which spreaded 2-filed games like if you save
>them with a Final cartrige.
>
Isepic is a freezer cartridge as far as I know, not a cracking group
>Then Bencor Brothers (which were rare I think).
>
I only remember Movie Monsters and Barbarian II had an intro by them.
>And really lame was the German Cracking Group, because you couldn't
>stop the lame intro. (Well, those Germans ;-)))
I agree. That Zaxxon game by them didn't work for me because of wrong
filename, which annoyed me a lot.
Overdoc
Carlsson, Anders
> Also let's not forget GCS (German Cracking Service) and Crackman....
Another one of the oldies who had some intro screen was Antirom,
Dutch cracker I think.
--
Anders Carlsson
SAW
Martin Brunner <mar...@finwds01.tu-graz.ac.at> wrote in message
news:jog2hsguos4jn2faf...@4ax.com...
> Es schrieb Roel N:
>
> >They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
> >group that *they* would remember?
>
> I think most of the games where from Eagle Soft wher I print out the
> picture when I got my cartridge.
>
>
> them with a Final cartrige.
>
Bencor Brothers! There was a new Bencor Brothers as well. The guy's name
was Andy Riding, he lived in Southampton; I wonder where he is now?
Steve
peter karlsson
>I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
>known C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users?
Well, one of the first I think of is Mr. Z (later of Triad), whose steady
raster-bar intro with the text "CRACKED BY MR. Z" appeared in uncountable
games (it also was the intro that was on my copy of Way of the Exploding
Fist, a game that I played quite a lot, and thus an intro I remember).
Other than that, I guess that both Fairlight and Triad were quite common in
Sweden (quite common in my game collection, at leas), together with all the
other Swedish cracking groups.
I'd guess that other regions would have their "major" crackers, as for
instance a guy that I met once, who had a cousin that cracked games, and in
his collection, all games was cracked by said cousin (can't remember the
handle now, sadly).
>I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on
>"normal C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
Well, when the Swedish magazine "Maxidata" did a retro-supplement a few
months back, they interviewed Mr. Z as the representative of the cracking
scene, and Mr. Z is also one of the most known among those I talk to.
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Martin Brunner
>>Then something like TDK, because it was an Austrian cracking group.
>
>I'm sure you mean TSK ( The Softkiller ) Crew
Well that's it. :-)
>I just remember Antitrack, who was one of the best crackers
>around....
I met him in IRC one time. I think he doesn't live far from me.
>Other Austrian groups I remember were TAC ( The Austrian Crew ), Softguru,
>Softtiger Crew and Vienna Cracking Service, but they were all spreaders or
>importers, not crackers like Cosmos.
Vienna Cracking Service did Kennedy Approach I think.
>>Also I remember Isepic which spreaded 2-filed games like if you save
>>them with a Final cartrige.
>
>Isepic is a freezer cartridge as far as I know, not a cracking group
Sure? I thought it is soneone who used the Cartridge and modified the
File.
>>And really lame was the German Cracking Group, because you couldn't
>>stop the lame intro. (Well, those Germans ;-)))
>
>I agree. That Zaxxon game by them didn't work for me because of wrong
>filename, which annoyed me a lot.
I remember now. They modified the Name. :-(
Jason Petersen
mind. Who had the logo of a vector fighter plane?
Jason
"Roel N" <sp...@me.not> wrote in message news:8eprn1$qli$1...@news.IAEhv.nl...
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used
to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
> They sure must have had some cracked games. What would be the cracker
> group that *they* would remember? (Even if it's only as "Oh yeah, that was
that
> useless thingy with the scrolling text in front of that cool game").
>
> I'm kinda trying to find out what "impact" the C64 cracker cult made on
"normal
> C64 users" (as oppose to us ;-)).
>
Jason Petersen
"Matthew W. Miller" <ma...@infinet.com> wrote in message
news:3911375b$0$95091$140e...@news.tdin.com...
How could I forget, "Broken by the Bandit"? For some reason I had several
cracks by that guy.
Jason
Jukka Aho
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most
> "popular" or best known C64 cracker groups to the "normal"
> C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to have a C64 in the
> late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
I have not "only played games" with my C64, but then again,
at the time I actively used it, I was not involved with the
scene either.
Hmmh... these are the ones that come in mind right away:
- Dynamic Duo [the intro with the DD logo and Hubbard's music]
- Triad [the logo]
- GCS (German Cracking Service) [the annoyingly long intro
- Antiram with the moving letters]
- ABC
-- znark
Jon Kolbeinsen
Not absence, I have been reading the group from time to time, but now I'm
subscribing regulary again.
I'm still watching the growth of my baby :) (Arnold)
To keep the posting legal: I also remember some cracking groups called
ACC (Active Cracking Crew) and CCC (Coca cola crackers) :) This was back in
1986...
j.
Markus Mehring wrote:
> On Thu, 04 May 2000 14:25:42 +0200, Jon Kolbeinsen <j...@milli.no> wrote:
>
> >What about Scoopex and Tetragon ?
>
> Jon! My goodness, back after decades of absence. :->
>
> CU! Markus
Markus K. V. Haake
>[...]
>Let me have your thought!
Anyone remember "Section 8"?
Markus
Markus Brenner
>1103. Hey! I was going to post that :-) He also cracked Loderunner
>and Way Out, if memory serves me right.
That's the first one that came to my mind, too. And Oleander, KBR, GCS (for
the first intro. Lame, true, but it was the first real cracker intro I know
about). The old school :)
(Also ECA, Dynamic Duo and Section 8)
> I've wondered for quite a
>while where that name came from. The best theory I've got by now is
>that it's the chip number for the first SRAM chip.
I once heard that 11.03. was his birthday. No idea if this is true :)
cheers,
-markus
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Thomas Bätzler
[1103]
>That's the first one that came to my mind, too. And Oleander, KBR, GCS (for
>the first intro. Lame, true, but it was the first real cracker intro I know
>about). The old school :)
>
>(Also ECA, Dynamic Duo and Section 8)
Oh. DD and S8. Why is the first thing that comes to mind when I think
about them the quality of their releases? Those two fit certainly in
the "quantity over quality" slot.
>> I've wondered for quite a
>>while where that name came from. The best theory I've got by now is
>>that it's the chip number for the first SRAM chip.
>
>I once heard that 11.03. was his birthday. No idea if this is true :)
Hehe. Would the real 1103 please step forward? :-) One thing I heard
was that he was a C= employee at that time. If that's true, his cracks
were certainly a good marketing measure.
BTW, nice to see you're still alive, Markus :-)
Markus Brenner
>On Fri, 05 May 2000, bre...@biochem.mpg.de (Markus Brenner) wrote:
>>(Also ECA, Dynamic Duo and Section 8)
>
>Oh. DD and S8. Why is the first thing that comes to mind when I think
>about them the quality of their releases? Those two fit certainly in
>the "quantity over quality" slot.
In fact I already was about to write something about Section 8's releases...
oh, well, maybe it isn't fair to mention ECA in one line with DD and S8 :)
>Hehe. Would the real 1103 please step forward? :-)
One of the guys I never had _any_ trace to. But I guess he wasn't active very
long.
>BTW, nice to see you're still alive, Markus :-)
*sigh* All too busy recently. BTW, I have to special gifts for you, Thomas :)
Johan Fitié
>or whatever that was in Decathlon... :)
Yep.. 'Press F1 to start' (duhhhh :) )
>Sorry to all Dutch folks for possibly munging their beautiful language,
>which I don't speak a bit... :)
hehe :) You spelled it correctly
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"Roel N" <sp...@me.not> wrote in message news:8eprn1$qli$1...@news.IAEhv.nl...
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best
known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used
to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played
games on it.
Don Judy
>
> Hi guys,
>
> I was just wondering something. What would be the most "popular" or best known
> C64 cracker groups to the "normal" C64 users? I mean - somebody who used to
> have a C64 in the late eighties (or before/after that) and only played games on it.
Eaglesoft comes to mind immediately. Other than that, not a group but stuff
frozen by ISEPIC seemed to be everywhere. Personally I often seemed to find
disks cracked by Maverick! lurking in the shoebox.
dj
Matthew W. Miller
>Eaglesoft comes to mind immediately. Other than that, not a group but stuff
>frozen by ISEPIC seemed to be everywhere.
Spit spit! I *hate* coming across "cracks" that were made with some
freezer cartridge or another. I knew things were going downhill in
Commie-land when I brought home Microprose's American release of Rick
Dangerous, and found that it was a cartridge-made freeze! And that's a
*legitimate release*, too. Same with all the games on Mastertronic's Mega
Pack (a ten-pack of Gremlin Graphics games). Bleah.
Daniel Dahlberg
MagerValp <cl3p...@cling.gu.se> wrote in message
news:p14em7i...@panini.cling.gu.se...
> >>>>> "RN" == Roel N <sp...@me.not> writes:
>
> RN> What would be the cracker group that *they* would remember?
>
> All my early games were cracked by Mr Z, later on Fairlight, Ikari,
> Eagle Soft, Triad, Dynamic Duo, and more...
Same here, but since we're both from Sweden, it might be a local phenomenon.
// Daniel
Martin Seibert
"SAW" <steve.wi...@cableinet.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:Qu0Q4.570$tQ3....@news3.cableinet.net...
> Lol, Zenith, Laser, SCS*TRC & Avantgarde.... But then I would say
those as
> I was a member of all of them.... Late 80's? Probably Fusion,
Zenith and
> Ikari.... 90's Ikari/Talent, Illusion and SCS*TRC of course...
You probably don't mean Laser, I think you mean LAZER (from Austria),
right? (my old nick was Syntech/LAZER ;-)
But I'm not sure how popular "we" were..... I was not so much involved
in the cracking stuff and so..... I only made some gfx and zax....
In case there were really a group called LASER, add LAZER anyway. ;-)
What's about the (spanish?) group FC4G? Was it a demo-only group?
Mr.Shine
>
> What's about the (spanish?) group FC4G? Was it a demo-only group?
No, I had some cracks by them (however, it was F4CG, IIRC). This one
flight simulator came into my mind first, I never really played it but I
remember it anyway - how was it called again... ?
-Mr.Shine
SAW
Martin Seibert <m...@magnet.at> wrote in message
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>
I think you need to go back and read what I said the first time: "Lol,
Zenith, Laser, SCS*TRC & Avantgarde.... But then I would say those as I was
a member of all of them...." I think I know the names of the groups I was
in! If you go to Gangsta's Paradise:
You can find cracks from both Laser and Lazer ;)
Steve of Laser/Zenith/SCS*TRC/Avantgarde
SAW
Mr.Shine <Mr.S...@smallfoot.com> wrote in message
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>
> flight simulator came into my mind first, I never really played it but I
> remember it anyway - how was it called again... ?
>
> -Mr.Shine
F4CG was originally an Italian I believe but later on had members all over
the place ;)
Steve
Don Judy
>
> On Sun, 07 May 2000 23:00:00 GMT, Don Judy <hsa...@epix.net> wrote:
> >Eaglesoft comes to mind immediately. Other than that, not a group but stuff
> >frozen by ISEPIC seemed to be everywhere.
>
> Spit spit! I *hate* coming across "cracks" that were made with some
> freezer cartridge or another.
Well, yeah I know that attitude. It's implicit in the way the question was
worded. I wouldn't care one way or another if the games actually worked well,
apparently a *lot* of people didn't care cause they were all over. Scene guys
and crackers may not like it but it doesn't really matter does it? Some guy gets
a C64 and some disks with it, sees ISEPIC or whatever at the beginning and
thinks, geez, okay ISEPIC, he sees Eaglesoft, he says, "hmmm, wonder what's that
about?". He's not going to differentiate between a cartridge frozen game and
something done by hand and mind, he's going to differentiate between whether it
runs or not. I mentioned this specifically cause I saw all these answers
avoiding a certain reality, maybe due to the specific wording of the question
which certainly steers clear of the fact that a lot of people didn't give a
flying floppy whether or not someone specific did something or stuck a few
seconds of graphics and a few minutes of scrolled text in front of an already
slow loading game or whether it was frozen by cartridge or a parameter was run
with some copy program. Some might even have been annoyed with the ego
inflationary measures, especially if the sound and graphics were just more of
the same stuff seen over and over.
I actually prefer the real uncracked versions of stuff myself, I'm just
reporting here you know.
(Flame retardant pith helmet with precautionary aluminum foil cover ON.)
dj
Matthew W. Miller
>"Matthew W. Miller" wrote:
>> On Sun, 07 May 2000 23:00:00 GMT, Don Judy <hsa...@epix.net> wrote:
>> >Eaglesoft comes to mind immediately. Other than that, not a group but
>> >stuff frozen by ISEPIC seemed to be everywhere.
>> Spit spit! I *hate* coming across "cracks" that were made with some
>> freezer cartridge or another.
>it? Some guy gets a C64 and some disks with it, sees ISEPIC or whatever
>at the beginning and thinks, geez, okay ISEPIC, he sees Eaglesoft, he
>says, "hmmm, wonder what's that about?". He's not going to differentiate
>between a cartridge frozen game and something done by hand and mind, he's
>going to differentiate between whether it runs or not.
Oh, but I *do* differentiate between whether a program runs or not, and
most of the freezes on the aforementioned Mega Pack won't even load unless
you use a special loader which knows not to let the oversized files (202+
blocks in most cases) trample the IO areas at $D000-$DFFF. Admittedly,
most cartridge fast-loaders know to do this nowadays, and the booter did
this as well, but it's still aggravating and sloppy. By doing proper
re-cracks for some and just compression for the others, I managed to
squish the original both sides of two disks onto both sides of one disk.
I doubt I'm the only one who gets annoyed by bloated software that takes
up twice as much space as it has a right to...
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I)
^^^^^^^ ^^^^^
...but of course, you've probably resigned yourself to your fate and
talked yourself into believing that that's where the future lies. To tell
the truth, I have a hard time believing otherwise myself. That's why they
call it "nostalgia". Sigh.
I've never even been a "scene guy", for that matter. It still
annoys me that a legitimate release like the Mega Pack or the U.S. release
of Rick Dangerous would stoop to such lows. It's not about a "scene" or
"cracks" as such, it's about taking pride and having class in your work.
OVERDOC
Matthew W. Miller schrieb in Nachricht <39175a2d$0$95106.
>I doubt I'm the only one who gets annoyed by bloated software that takes
>up twice as much space as it has a right to...
>
You'r definitely not the only one. I also do care about that.
I have lots of games I shortened, one-file'd and crunched - most of them are
shorter than any other versions I have come across. I do that with
everything I get that isn't crunched already.
I believe that in general the American releases where big, not crunched at
all, but fast. In Europe it was common to do the short, properly cracked
versions, although this took some days longer.
But I think the masses of people who just wanted to play those games and
didn't care about the scene or something didn't mind if they had a long,
short or frozen version...
Overdoc
Void(void)
>I doubt I'm the only one who gets annoyed by bloated software that takes
>up twice as much space as it has a right to...
>
as it needs to be and uses at least 4 times the ram available. :)
Lance Dillon
I had a whole bunch by "The Bandit Boy", who was Mike Henry, the guy who
made the Fast Hack'em programs.
lance
Martin Seibert
[..]
> > > Lol, Zenith, Laser, SCS*TRC & Avantgarde.... But then I would
say
> > those as
> > > I was a member of all of them.... Late 80's? Probably Fusion,
> > Zenith and
> > > Ikari.... 90's Ikari/Talent, Illusion and SCS*TRC of course...
> > You probably don't mean Laser, I think you mean LAZER (from
Austria),
> > right? (my old nick was Syntech/LAZER ;-)
>
> I think you need to go back and read what I said the first time:
"Lol,
> Zenith, Laser, SCS*TRC & Avantgarde.... But then I would say those
as I was
> a member of all of them...." I think I know the names of the groups
I was
> in! If you go to Gangsta's Paradise:
I'm sorry. It was not my intention to publicly insult your
intelligence by correcting your own knowledge. This misunderstanding
from my side is only based on my very limited knowledge of the english
language (my native language is german). I admit, I didn't fully
(100%) understand this particular sentence. This was a typical
situation of "Firstly talking, secondly turning on the brain". So I've
broken usenet rule # 1: "Turn on your brain before you post a reply".
I hope for your understanding. Please accept my apologize.
> http://go.to/c64
>
> You can find cracks from both Laser and Lazer ;)
>
> Steve of Laser/Zenith/SCS*TRC/Avantgarde
Thanks for this information.
SAW
No need to be so apologetic Martin ;) Nice to know someone is still reading
this thread I guess! I never knew anyone from Lazer at the time but now, 10
years on, I guess I do....
Steve
peter karlsson
>Same here, but since we're both from Sweden, it might be a local phenomenon.
Well, since Mr. Z is a Swede, that could very well be the case :-)
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Matthias & Oliver
Lance Dillon wrote:
> Jason Petersen wrote:
> >
> > "Matthew W. Miller" <ma...@infinet.com> wrote in message
> > news:3911375b$0$95091$140e...@news.tdin.com...
> > > - The Bandit (maker of the world's most messed-up crack, one of M.U.L.E.)
why messed up?
> I had a whole bunch by "The Bandit Boy", who was Mike Henry, the guy who
> made the Fast Hack'em programs.
Has anyone the e-mail adress of this guy? Would like to do an interview with him.
Matthias Schäfer
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Matthew W. Miller
<pro...@c64culture.de> wrote:
>Lance Dillon wrote:
>> > "Matthew W. Miller" <ma...@infinet.com> wrote in message
>> > news:3911375b$0$95091$140e...@news.tdin.com...
>> > > - The Bandit (maker of the world's most messed-up crack, one of
>> > > M.U.L.E.)
>why messed up?
It would play through the game well enough, then freeze on the summary
screen. All right, all right, so I was being hyperbolic. Annoyed me to
hell and back the first (and last) time I tried it. ;)
>> I had a whole bunch by "The Bandit Boy", who was Mike Henry, the guy
>> who made the Fast Hack'em programs.
>Has anyone the e-mail adress of this guy? Would like to do an interview
>with him.
Whoo-hoo! Yay Mike.
Daniel Dahlberg
peter karlsson <na...@frisurf.no> wrote in message
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> Daniel Dahlberg:
>
> >Same here, but since we're both from Sweden, it might be a local
phenomenon.
>
> Well, since Mr. Z is a Swede, that could very well be the case :-)
Mr Z... Ahh, those were the days. Some of my first games had that wonderful
Mr Z 'intro'. Was it 'Broken by Mr Z'? Anyway, it sure was nice.
// Daniel
Markus Brenner
I guess 'Mr Z.' and 'Mr. Zero Page' are two different people? (I have once
played a match of Leaderboard against Mr. Zero Page, and IIRC he was from
Stuttgart).
Thomas Bätzler
>I guess 'Mr Z.' and 'Mr. Zero Page' are two different people? (I have once
>played a match of Leaderboard against Mr. Zero Page, and IIRC he was from
>Stuttgart).
Hehe, I think I remember that occasion :-) I don't think they're the
same, because he used a different TLA: MZP, as can be seen in some of
those old "The Light Circle" intros.
OVERDOC
Thomas Bätzler schrieb in Nachricht ...
> I don't think they're the
>same, because he used a different TLA: MZP, as can be seen in some of
>those old "The Light Circle" intros.
>
Don't think they are the same person, because Mr. Zero Page (MZP) was a
member of The Light Circle (TLC), while at the same time Mr. Z was a member
of Triad...
Overdoc
Daniel Dahlberg
OVERDOC <ove...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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So Triad were from Sweden? I'm a bit curious, because there is a program on
Swedish Television made by a company named EFTI, and the EFTI-logo after the
show is an exact copy of TRIAD's (the one made up of white lines on a black
background). Perhaps there is a connection?
// Daniel
Daniel Dahlberg
Daniel Dahlberg <d_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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If you take a look at www.efti.se you'll see the logo, only that the colours
differ between the web page and the TV-show.
// Daniel
Eloquence
<d_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>If you take a look at www.efti.se you'll see the logo, only
that the colours
>differ between the web page and the TV-show.
I'd say the logo looks more like a rip-off of IBM's logo than
Triad's. Triad had much thinner lines.
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Daniel Dahlberg
Eloquence <oyvindN...@writeme.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <8foomh$90r$1...@news.lth.se>, "Daniel Dahlberg"
> <d_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If you take a look at www.efti.se you'll see the logo, only
> that the colours
> >differ between the web page and the TV-show.
>
> I'd say the logo looks more like a rip-off of IBM's logo than
> Triad's. Triad had much thinner lines.
So does EFTI's when shown on TV. I wonder if I can get a TRIAD screenshot
somewhere, and mail them and ask if they've seen it before.
// Daniel
glenvi...@gmail.com
On Thursday, May 11, 2000 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Matthias & Oliver wrote:
> Lance Dillon wrote:
>
> > Jason Petersen wrote:
> > >
> > > > - The Bandit (maker of the world's most messed-up crack, one of M.U.L.E.)
>
> why messed up?
>
> > made the Fast Hack'em programs.
>
> Has anyone the e-mail adress of this guy? Would like to do an interview with him.
>
>
>
>
>
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