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sirg...@optonline.net

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:43:48 AM11/8/09
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Looking for either Emulator images or disks of the following programs:::::

EDU-WARE's Compu-Spell Data Disk, Level 5

Adventure International's Questprobe series: Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk

I bought 'complete' packages of these items on E-bay, adn the disks didn't work.

Naturally, they were sold as UNTESTED..................Grrrrrr........


John
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I'm happy elephants can't fly!!

Michael J. Mahon

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Nov 8, 2009, 2:53:08 PM11/8/09
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sirg...@optonline.net wrote:
> Looking for either Emulator images or disks of the following programs:::::
>
> EDU-WARE's Compu-Spell Data Disk, Level 5
>
> Adventure International's Questprobe series: Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk
>
>
>
> I bought 'complete' packages of these items on E-bay, adn the disks didn't work.
>
> Naturally, they were sold as UNTESTED..................Grrrrrr........

Failure of Apple II disks is actually quite improbable, unless they have
been stored in *very* unfortunate environments--like strong magnetic
fields, high humidity, high temperature, etc. Usually such abuse will
have clearly visible signs--like fungus growing on the media, etc.

Before dismissing the disks as unreadable, check your drive(s). They
could be dirty, off-speed, or a bit out of alignment (so they read disks
they write just fine, but have trouble reading disks written on other
drives).

Of course, games are a particular problem, since they often use copy-
protection methods that decrease the typical error tolerances of an
Apple II disk/drive combo, but don't give up quickly on these disks.
They are hardier than you think!

-michael

NadaNet 3.0 for Apple II parallel computing!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon/

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Toinet

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Nov 8, 2009, 4:20:56 PM11/8/09
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On 8 nov, 15:43, sirgh...@optonline.net wrote:
> Looking for either Emulator images or disks of the following programs:::::
>
> Adventure International's Questprobe series:  Spider-Man, Incredible Hulk
>

SPIDER-MAN
Is this one of MYSTERIO's(tm) illusions..
..or am I seeing TWO of him?
QUESTPROBE by Scott Adams with art by Al Milgrom...

I have the LOAD'N'GO version.

---

I'd got that one and IIRC Scott Adams' diskettes were not copy
protected, let me check that... I/O error...

Stay tuned,
antoine

jt august

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:27:32 PM11/8/09
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In article <w4udnb_aydkwvGrX...@giganews.com>,

"Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote:

> Failure of Apple II disks is actually quite improbable, unless they have
> been stored in *very* unfortunate environments--like strong magnetic
> fields, high humidity, high temperature, etc. Usually such abuse will
> have clearly visible signs--like fungus growing on the media, etc.

Actually, bit rot is not that uncommon. The emulsion hardens over time
and bits flake off or the magnetic basis just neutralizes.

jt

Toinet

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Nov 8, 2009, 5:46:30 PM11/8/09
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John,

I have been able to create a copy of the two sides of the unprotected
disk of Spider-Man(tm) - You should have received them by email.

And that's correct, with old disks, it is better to clean them before
inserting them into the disk drive and then clean the head drive.

Antoine

Michael J. Mahon

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Nov 8, 2009, 9:17:12 PM11/8/09
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People say that, but in almost 30 years, I have yet to see any
diskette "flaking off" its media, except for one very old cheap
(no hub ring, only one side polished, etc.) disk--never on any
disk used by a software manufacturer.

I've successfully read disks with all kinds of damage. The only
kind that have resisted reading were either sharply creased or
actually scratched (by someone on purpose).

I've never seen a case of spontaneous loss of magnetization--it is
always the result of exposure to moderately strong magnetic fields
or (very) high temperatures (the kind that melt plastic!).

I'm speaking here about 5.25" Apple II disks, not 3.5" disks or
any other computer's formats.

D Finnigan

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Nov 9, 2009, 12:10:25 PM11/9/09
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Michael J. Mahonwrote:

> jt august wrote:
>> In article <w4udnb_aydkwvGrX...@giganews.com>,
>> "Michael J. Mahon" <mjm...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Failure of Apple II disks is actually quite improbable, unless they have
>>> been stored in *very* unfortunate environments--like strong magnetic
>>> fields, high humidity, high temperature, etc. Usually such abuse will
>>> have clearly visible signs--like fungus growing on the media, etc.
>>
>> Actually, bit rot is not that uncommon. The emulsion hardens over time
>> and bits flake off or the magnetic basis just neutralizes.
>
> People say that, but in almost 30 years, I have yet to see any
> diskette "flaking off" its media, except for one very old cheap
> (no hub ring, only one side polished, etc.) disk--never on any
> disk used by a software manufacturer.
>

I do have to agree with you here. All of my 5.25" disks were made before I
was born, and yet they are still largely error-free all of these years
later. Absolutely amazing! I wish I could say the same for the 3."5 SS/DS
disks used with the Macintosh.

Rob

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Nov 13, 2009, 2:43:25 AM11/13/09
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I'm sorry but you guys have provided one of most useless responses to a
request for help. The original poster ask for help and rather then just
point him to the dsk images you give him some lame "it doesn't happen to me
therefore it should have happened to you" answer.
Your individual experiences really don't represent the reality for the
millions of 5.25" floppy disks that sold over two decades ago.
Nor does sharing your individual experiences actually resolve or answer the
question in the original post.


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Rob

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Nov 13, 2009, 2:44:12 AM11/13/09
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The .DSK images for the questprobe games are up on ftp.apple.asimov.net
under /pub/apple_ii/images/games/adventure. There are also a few EDUware
disks in the /educational directory but I honestly couldn't say if the exact
one you need is there.

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John B. Matthews

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Nov 13, 2009, 11:31:30 AM11/13/09
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In article <4afd0e23$0$9946$b9f6...@news.newsdemon.com>,
"Rob" <g8crap...@comcast.net> wrote:

I think this is unduly harsh. You happened to be the first contributor
who knew where images could be found; thank you for responding. John
evinced considerable frustration in his request, shouting and saying
"Grrrrrr..." I empathize deeply, and the intervening discussion may have
helped inspire patience. John may have had reason to try and recover the
originals, as Antoine suggested. Not all images are pristine and
versions may vary.

Your point about the variability of floppy quality is well taken. For
nearly a decade, outrageous retail prices kept our club's librarians on
a continual search for better price and performance. Their experience
proved invaluable to members.

--
John B. Matthews
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<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>

Toinet

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Nov 13, 2009, 1:06:43 PM11/13/09
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Hi there,
If I read my posts again, I answered to John's request. And I thank
John because of the message of the front cover of Spider-man which
quotes "Mysterio" and this is a WWE favorite of my son Etienne. I know
it is off-topic...

I am sorry I haven't been able to locate the Eduware disks ;-)

antoine

Michael J. Mahon

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Nov 14, 2009, 1:57:17 AM11/14/09
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Rob wrote:
> I'm sorry but you guys have provided one of most useless responses to a
> request for help. The original poster ask for help and rather then just
> point him to the dsk images you give him some lame "it doesn't happen to me
> therefore it should have happened to you" answer.
> Your individual experiences really don't represent the reality for the
> millions of 5.25" floppy disks that sold over two decades ago.
> Nor does sharing your individual experiences actually resolve or answer the
> question in the original post.

Others have offered help with images.

I was pointing out that it is very likely that the disks he has
are, in fact, recoverable, and should be regarded as valuable.

It is often worthhile to address the issue "behind" a request as
well as or instead of answering only the request.


-michael

NadaNet and AppleCrate II: parallel computing for Apple II computers!
Home page: http://home.comcast.net/~mjmahon

Mike Spurgeon

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Nov 14, 2009, 2:01:55 AM11/14/09
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Michael J. Mahon wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> I'm sorry but you guys have provided one of most useless responses to
>> a request for help. The original poster ask for help and rather then
>> just point him to the dsk images you give him some lame "it doesn't
>> happen to me therefore it should have happened to you" answer.
>> Your individual experiences really don't represent the reality for the
>> millions of 5.25" floppy disks that sold over two decades ago.
>> Nor does sharing your individual experiences actually resolve or
>> answer the question in the original post.


The original post said two things:
1. Looking for either Emulator images or disks of the following
programs:::::
2. I bought 'complete' packages of these items on E-bay, adn the disks
didn't work.

> Others have offered help with images.


>
> I was pointing out that it is very likely that the disks he has
> are, in fact, recoverable, and should be regarded as valuable.
>
> It is often worthhile to address the issue "behind" a request as
> well as or instead of answering only the request.

It's a win, win...

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