Following is a summary of the concerns and thoughts expressed by those
who responded to my initial post about the need for a Netizens
Association:
How serious is this effort to create "chapters" of the Netizen's
Assoc.? ... I think I can help you in a small way and, if, after
reading my thoughts, you still think so, let me know.
I...educate people on a daily basis about the net. I have started a
popular Internet Interest Group in the store and loved doing it. One of the
ways I stay informed is subscribing to the Cyber-Rights mailing list,
amongst others
fascinating sub-study of the ability of the virtual
world Netizens to have an impact upon the physical world in which they
interact.
We are so engrossed with what the technology can do, we fail to log off in
time to stand up for the potential in the physical world. It is no wonder we
get things like the CDA, we are children with new toys trying to convince
professional adults we are serious.
I would like to believe that the manifesto of the DigitaLiberty
people, technology will save us, will eventually become true. Maybe it will
for my child's grandchildren. Today we need to act in the real world. How
would you feel about me putting together a Netizen chapter? I am moving to a
new city in a couple of weeks and the chance exists that I may not have to
work right away. In other words, time. The main purpose would be to educate
those offline or those online but [who are only] reading the ads.
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make me a netizen.
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Has much research been done on "individual base reasoning", I wonder?
When we think of membership to a race, country or region, we are faced
with a multitude of problems including overlapping, etc. But on an
individual basis, persons are members of their individual community
of one and also one of the 5.8 billion that make up our human population.
Of course, as a living being or glob of matter we are also members of
something bigger, but considering persons on an individual basis,
human level, as in a Netizen Association seems to be the natural flow
of things, and less problematic than race, nationality, etc.
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I suspect that you are receiving overwhelming support for a Netizens
Association.
May I suggest one point that should be included in the mission statement? -
To minimize the damage to the benefits of existing cultures, while
facilitating the benefits of change to those cultures.
If there is anything that I can do to assist you
please contact me.
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Was anything I could do to assist in such an effort. Do you plan on
forming a mailing list (or is there already one to which I can
subscribe)?
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Have you been working at all at home on this idea or is this an
international thing?
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I have all kinds of questions, reservations and concerns, but I shall
defer expressing them until I learn how the concept develops.
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"netizen" phenomenon is to look at it in terms of it being an incredibly
successful "meme".
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What needs to be accomplished?
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The degree of ignorance displayed by the "experts" giving
presentations on the topic was, in fact, shocking. It seems to me
very bad laws are made on the basis of ignorance this profound. What
do you suggest?
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I'd be interested in being on you mailing list, as long as you don't think
I'll get swamped.
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Id be very interested in joining if it doesnt cost a lot.
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* It seems now that a day doesn't pass without another attack from a
government on our ability to live freely on the Net:
- U.S. (encryption restrictions; CDA; state AG suits; ...)
- China (Internet packet filtering; ISP licenscing)
- Germany (newsgroup
- Singapore (Internet packet filtering; ISP licenscing)
* While you note a colleague said netizens "are especially not people
who come on-line for isolated gain or profit" I would hope that you
woudln't use this to screen people out. My work is my life and I
believe this is also the case for others in our company as well as
millions of other Netizens. Certain people or disciplines may not like
"profit," but, being intellectually honest, profit (what's left from
the harvest after costs) is what lets us eat.
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I believe that the WELL and the River are held back because they never
developed the grand scheme for a truly global community.
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I think it embodied very well a few aspects of the Internet, such as
fast global communication, and a sense of community.
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automatically assume that japan would have been up to date on this
latest technology
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I wanted to lend a hand. The Internet in western Japan has really
taken hold in the last six months, and I'm trying to promote its use
esp. among students and ESL/EFL learners.
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Global Netizen Organization. . . .
I certainly belive the spirit of the NET, or ordinary people
having an unfettered voice and being able to talk with others all over the
world will bring world peace and respect for all cultures.
Also, tell me what would be involved in my being the "Canadian" connection
for the Netizen Organization?
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I think one needs a sharp aim if such an association will have any chance of
being more than a flea.
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How about an adopt an "off-liner" program? Grt them up and running &
educate them on the importance of what they are using?
If you do get a mailing list going please subscribe me. I feel I
must warn you that I believe these can get in the way of real action.
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I am used to groups such as the
"Association for Computing Machinery", the Internet Society
(a society promotes the Internet), and so on.
That is completely backwards from what the Netizens Association would be,
I would think.
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I am working in the conventional communication fields and I feel that our
old society will be getting attacked and blamed by the netizens.
There will be some frictions between both societies, but I do not worry
about them. As people who are engaging in the communication fields know the
essence or the purpose of communication. They enjoy first to make the pass
road between unknown worlds, then to have a contact with unknown people and
finally to become close friends.
I feel the netizen idea is very similar to that of
amateur ham radio. Reminding the idea of young age, I would like to
cooperate with netizens to make the peaceful netizen world. Thank you for
your message.
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One of the problems which I think its problem is, growing Internet in Japan
seems forming "Japanese cyber space". I know that there's no phisical
barriers in cyber space, but language barriers are hard to cross for many
Japanese. Many young people are excited by web, and start to surf and
making thier web pages. But most of their web pages are made for Japanese
and they only surf for Japanese pages.
I am afraid that Japan is tend to be isolated and too nationalistic. If
they meet serious argument, they tend to misunderstand to be threatened. So
I think individual Japanese should comunicate with individual people
outside Japan. And I strongly think THE NET is the only chance to do it.
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those deeply involved become elitest and not only don't wish to
help others become involved, but often want to discourage people from
becoming involved. In the case of the internet this should go the
opposite way,
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Have Netizen organizations been formed or will they be? And what would
their duties be exactly?
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Well, I think of anything you succeeded in demonstrating how the net
can transcend such traditional boundaries and how such a perceived
different group of people can share such universal goals.
What I am left confused with is the persuasive side of the e-mail
message. So if there's any call to action message - specifically -
embeded, then I didn't catch it. But again, I doubt that would be the
main thrust of what you wrote.
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Don't get me wrong, Michael, i'm not trying to discredit what
you are saying. I love the hope and excitment you exhibit talking about
his. But you need to examine more closely how cultures work, imho, to
further yr argument. Again, my opinions.
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However, I'm curious and a bit confused about your idea of a Netizen's
Association. Are you proposing a global group of Netizens that can act as
a political lobby for net rights/consciousness in individual countries?
Sort of like a Green Party comprised of Net regulars who wish to move
towards a global consciousness facilitated by the Net?
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Is there someway to have a presence on Usenet as well as setting
up a mailing list to work towards a Netizens Association?
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