Question about InTRA-LATA "PIC" Validation
Mark J Cuccia
This applies to the US only...
Now that (most of) the US has inTRA-LATA "PIC"ing, there has been a way to
verify who your primary inTRA-LATA toll carrier is.
The inTER-LATA 'pic' validation in the US, and "toll pic" validation in
Canada (I don't know this yet applies to the non-US portion of the
NANP-Caribbean, since I don't know if there is "toll pic-ing" yet on any
one of those islands in the same way we have it here in the US and Canada)
is (1)-700-555-4141. Sometimes, depending on reseller service provider
arrangements with the facilities-based carrier they are using, a different
-xxxx line-number might be used. The leading 1+ may or may not be
required, depending... i.e., it may be permissive to NOT 'have' to use the
1+ before 700-555-4141 in some areas. Some carriers allow you to reach
their PIC-validation recording on ANY -xxxx line-number.
But for inTRA-LATA Toll 'pic' validation (applies to US ONLY), the
standard is supposed to be: (1)-(home NPA)-700-4141. Again, the situation
of various or "any" -xxxx line-number as described above for inTER-LATA
700-555-xxxx as described in the above paragraph might also apply.
But there is an "inconsistancy" on the dialing procedures for the
inTRA-LATA toll-pic validation.
Some areas use straight seven-digits 700-4141
Some areas use mandatory ten-digits, Home-NPA + 700-4141
(with no '1+' required)
And some might require 1+ ten-digits (h-NPA + 700-4141)
Here in New Orleans, I can ONLY reach my inTRA-LATA toll-pic validation
recording as 1+504-700-4141 -- the "straight" ten-digits 504-700-4141 nor
the straight seven-digits 700-4141 does NOT work.
I'm curious as to which places use which types of dialing, and allow other
formats as well...
Also, in the US, there are THREE "geographic-POTS" area codes which have a
POTS c.o.code 700!
213-700 - wireless prefix in Los Angeles
818-700 - SBC-Pac*Bell landline prefix, Northridge CA NORGCA11DS1
847-700 - SBC-Ameritech landline prefix, Elk Grove Village IL EGVGILEGDS1
[Regarding the 700 c.o.code prefix w/in SAC NPAs:
Obviously, there are 8zz-700 prefixes in the toll-free SACs,
there *IS* a 900-700 prefix,
and there "could" be but presently is NOT any 500-700 nor 456-700 prefix,
and I don't know offhand if there is or is not any 600-700 prefix;
Since LATAs as used in the US don't apply to the non-US portions of the
NANP, there "could" be NPA-700 prefixes in Canada and non-US NANP-Carb:
Toronto ON (Canada) does have a 416-700 wireless prefix,
Jamaica has a wireless 876-700 prefix.
But the "non-geographic" SAC NPAs, and the non-US (Canada, non-US
NANP-Caribbean) parts of the NANP don't "apply" to NPA-700-4141 inTRA-LATA
pic-validation situations.]
I understand from SBC-Pac*Bell that if you are in the 213 or 818 NPAs, you
dial 1-805-700-4141 to verify your inTRA-LATA toll-pic. The 805 NPA is
also in the So.Cal area. I wonder if you could also get your inTRA-LATA
toll-pic validation recording with 1-714-700-4141 or using OTHER similar
adjacent/nearby NPAs in So.Cal (where there is no local 700 c.o.code
prefix), as 1+NPA-700-4141.
I wonder what people in the northern Chicago suburbs area (NPA 847) dial
for inTRA-LATA pic-validation, since there is that 847-700 code in Elk
Grove IL (and it is SBC-Ameritech as well). Does SBC-Ameritech have them
dial 1-[312/773/630/815/708]-700-4141? Do some/all of those "work"?
Could it also be that the -4141 line-number in Elk Grove IL (EGVGILEGDS1)
has been "unassigned" and possibly now flagged as
"special/reserved - do not assign - use for 'L' PIC" ???
Thus you *DO* dial (1-847)-700-4141 within the 847 NPA to validate your
inTRA-LATA toll pic?
However, if that NPA is considered "out-of-LATA", you MIGHT go to the
inTRA-LATA PIC validation recording of your inTER-LATA PIC, on
1+NPA-700-4141!
BellSouth is my inTRA-LATA PIC
AT&T is my inTER-LATA PIC
If I dial something like 1-601-700-4141 or 1-228-700-4141 (both NPAs
considered OUT-of-LATA, even though 601-772 Crossroads MS is IN my own
New Orleans LATA), I do NOT go to BellSouth's inTRA-LATA PIC validation
recording, but rather to AT&T's inTRA-LATA PIC validation announcement.
Of course, AT&T is my inTER-LATA pic.
Other interesting things on BOTH inTRA-LATA (1)-(home/adj-NPA)-700-4141
AND inTER-LATA (1)-700-555-4141 can be found when trying to dial with
CIC/CAC codes 101-XXXX+ prior to the valdiation number!
As far as I know, except for some special routing situations w/r/t
incumbents vs CLECs for places using 611 for Repair and 811 for Bus.Offc,
you really do NOT (yet) have any "standard" valdiation type number to find
out who your Local Service Provider happens to be! MAYBE 611/811 (where
those codes have traditionally been used) MIGHT route to the
Repair/Bus.Offc of your LEC/CLEC rather than simply "defaulted" to the
incumbent LEC's Repair/Bus.Offc.
Most (if not all) parts of South Central Bell have never really used
611/811. The number to call BellSouth Repair/Bus.Offc from S.C.Bell states
(KY, TN, AL, MS, LA) is a special toll-free seven-digit number, 557-xxxx.
I assume that CLECs who properly recognize 557 w/in SCBell area
codes/LATAs route 557-xxxx to the local BellSouth tandem for BellSouth
"official" numbers. I know that there are independent incumbent telcos in
Louisiana and Mississippi who recognize 557-xxxx and route the call
ultimately to BellSouth (SCBell) "official" departments.
BellSouth in Louisiana now offeres "PIC-FREEZING" on ALL THREE situations:
- inTER-LATA toll-PIC Freeze (available for several years now)
- inTRA-LATA toll-PIC Freeze (available since 1999 when inTRA-LATA pic'ing
first started)
- and NOW they offer "LSP" Freezing! Where you can FREEZE your LSP to
BellSouth (or whoever), as per recent La.PSC order.
The initiation of a "FREEZE" (thru the Buss.Offc) of a PIC or LEC/LSP is
to reduce/prevent the rampant situations of fraudulent SLAMMING.
But, I *AM* curious as to which format(S) for inTRA-LATA PIC validation
work in different areas...
- 700-4141 straight seven-d
AND/OR
- home/adjacent-NPA + 700-4141 (straight) ten-d (with no 1+)
AND/OR
- 1+ before ten-d (home/adj.NPA + 700-4141)
Thanks for any results reported here!
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Garrett Wollman
Mark J Cuccia <mcu...@tulane.edu> wrote:
>Most (if not all) parts of South Central Bell have never really used
>611/811.
Where I grew up in Vermont, there were *no* N11 codes in use before
Enhanced-911 was implemented. I never tried dialing codes at random
to see what they did, but I do recall:
- directory assistance was 1-555-1212 everywhere (not 411)
- emergency services were seven-digit local calls listed on the inside
front cover of the phone book
- repair and business office information had to be looked up in the
book
We lived in Contel territory (802-434 Richmond), and received the
NET&T Burlington phone book with a Contel cover instead of the usual
New England Telephone cover. To find our phone company's business
number involved looking for the ``other phone companies serving this
area'' section in the front matter. Not long after we left, Contel
got swallowed and in the process sold its Vermont exchanges; I believe
Richmond went to NYNEX.
-GAWollman
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> But for inTRA-LATA Toll 'pic' validation (applies to US ONLY), the
> standard is supposed to be: (1)-(home NPA)-700-4141. Again, the situation
> of various or "any" -xxxx line-number as described above for inTER-LATA
> 700-555-xxxx as described in the above paragraph might also apply.
>
> But there is an "inconsistancy" on the dialing procedures for the
> inTRA-LATA toll-pic validation.
>
> Some areas use straight seven-digits 700-4141
>
> Some areas use mandatory ten-digits, Home-NPA + 700-4141
> (with no '1+' required)
>
> And some might require 1+ ten-digits (h-NPA + 700-4141)
>
> Here in New Orleans, I can ONLY reach my inTRA-LATA toll-pic validation
> recording as 1+504-700-4141 -- the "straight" ten-digits 504-700-4141 nor
> the straight seven-digits 700-4141 does NOT work.
>
> I'm curious as to which places use which types of dialing, and allow other
> formats as well...
Here in NPA 301 (Montgomery County, Md., just outside D.C.), where we have
mandatory 10-digit dialing for local (in or out of home NPA) (with 1+10DD
local calling permitted) and 1+10DD for toll (in or out of home NPA), when I
dial 1-301-700-4141, James Earl Jones tells me that I'm using Verizon for
regional calling. When I dial 301-700-4141, I get a doo-daa-dee tone and
then a disembodied female voice tells me I hafta dial "1" to reach this
number.
If I dial using any of the adjacent area codes or my NPA's overlay code
(240), I get the doo-daa-dee and a disembodied female voice saying we can't
complete the call as dialed; this result holds whether I use the "1" or not.
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Randal L. Schwartz
Garrett> Where I grew up in Vermont, there were *no* N11 codes in use before
Garrett> Enhanced-911 was implemented. I never tried dialing codes at random
Garrett> to see what they did, but I do recall:
Garrett> - directory assistance was 1-555-1212 everywhere (not 411)
Garrett> - emergency services were seven-digit local calls listed on the inside
Garrett> front cover of the phone book
Garrett> - repair and business office information had to be looked up in the
Garrett> book
Ditto Oregon. I had no idea what Aretha Franklin was singing about
when she wanted "the 411 on somebody". I figured it was some urban
slang.
In fact, we used "113" for directory assistance locally, or
1-(AC)-555-1212 for "somewhere else".
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On 26 Jan 2001 11:26:04 -0500 Randal L. Schwartz <mer...@stonehenge.com>
wrote:
> >>>>> "Garrett" == Garrett Wollman <wol...@lcs.mit.edu> writes:
>
> Garrett> Where I grew up in Vermont, there were *no* N11 codes in use before
> Garrett> Enhanced-911 was implemented. I never tried dialing codes at random
> Garrett> to see what they did, but I do recall:
>
> Garrett> - directory assistance was 1-555-1212 everywhere (not 411)
> Garrett> - emergency services were seven-digit local calls listed on the inside
> Garrett> front cover of the phone book
> Garrett> - repair and business office information had to be looked up in the
> Garrett> book
>
> Ditto Oregon. I had no idea what Aretha Franklin was singing about
> when she wanted "the 411 on somebody". I figured it was some urban
> slang.
>
> In fact, we used "113" for directory assistance locally, or
> 1-(AC)-555-1212 for "somewhere else".
Generally the X11 codes were used in cities that converted
to dial with Panel Type or crossbar equipment. (Yes, even New
York was once all manual.)
11X codes were used in step-by-step offices.
110 - 211 - Long distance operator
113 - 411 - Directory assistance (earlier "Information")
114 - 611 - Repair service.
811 was only used in some places, and even in PT and XB
offices many used normal telephone numbers. (And in many
places, "normal telephone numbers" had fewer than seven digits.
I lived for a time in a place where my home phone number and
business phone number were both three digits.
Tulsa had a combination of four-, five-, and six-digit
telephone numbers. Oklahoma City had five- (mostly) and
six-digit numbers. Houston and Dallas generally had five
digits--presented as one letter plus four numerals. Such
as R-4085 (Riverside 4085). Later went to six digits with
the first two letters dialed.
Incidentally, operators used a different set of codes
with operator toll dialing began--121 for inward operator,
131 for Information (Directory Assistance).
Subscriber toll dialing, and 555-1212, came quite a few
years after that.
Wes Leatherock
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