Avaya Jack ID
Lincoln J. King-Cliby
I'm urgently trying to figure out what certifications (Cat 5/5e/6/etc)
Avaya data jacks with the marking
"Avaya
MPS 100E
22GF2"
have, if any.
A vendor supplied a bunch of these as part of a peice of furniture,
but I can't use them unless and until I have proof that they are
certified to Cat 6... And replacing them could prove problematic
because the openings are part of the furniture [no wall plate or
anything]
I called 5 different Avaya 800 numbers...its like talking to a brick
wall "What type of phone system are you using this with" "As far as I
know, we don't make those"
And:
"What type of networking"
"Data networking"
"No, what type of networking"
"Data networking--with computers"
"And what do you want to know"
"We have these RJ-45 connectors..."
"A RJ-45 connector is a 8 wire modular connector"
"... with the markings /.../, and was hoping you could tell me what
its certified for"
"We don't make those"
"Well it has your name printed on them"
........
"What type of phone system are you using this with?"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRFGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Terry
"Lincoln J. King-Cliby" <chsv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45fa70e4.04030...@posting.google.com...
Well welcome to ATT/Lucent/Avaya. Anyway the numbers you are reading are off
the module. It is an MPS100E module but the other number is some sort of
mould number. Are none of them in the original packing ? I pulled one out of
my truck The package has a 9 digit number called a Comcode on it. The one I
have is 108232703, this is for a cat5e orange module. The module is cat5e,
but may be a super cat5e ( rated to 350MHZ versus 200MHZ for regular cat5e).
You HAVE to use the Comcode number when talking to those guys. If you do not
have a package use the number above, you can find the specifications.
They were being precise with RJ-45 however. Registered Jack 45 is an
entirely different animal than you use with data. Data types use it for a
buzzword, they have no idea what it is ( I am a phone guy). For your data
the jack is an 8 pin jack wired to the 568B (ATT) specification.
If you cannot use cat5e or Xcat5e, the cat6 will snap into the same
faceplate. Call the communications guy at the nearest Graybar Electric.
Tony P.
ste...@ix.netcom.com says...
> They were being precise with RJ-45 however. Registered Jack 45 is an
> entirely different animal than you use with data. Data types use it for a
> buzzword, they have no idea what it is ( I am a phone guy). For your data
> the jack is an 8 pin jack wired to the 568B (ATT) specification.
Ah yes - RJ45 is just the jack specification, T568B is the wiring
specification. I'm a data type originally - who ended up getting stuck
with phone system maintenance and such.
Luckily in my area Graybar isn't the only option. We have A&J Supply and
the prices are non-gouging, as opposed to Graybar's excessively high
prices.
Alain fontaine
<45fa70e4.04030...@posting.google.com>,
chsv...@hotmail.com (Lincoln J. King-Cliby) wrote (écrivait) :
> Hello,
>
> I'm urgently trying to figure out what certifications (Cat 5/5e/6/etc)
> Avaya data jacks with the marking
>
> "Avaya
> MPS 100E
> 22GF2"
Category 5 'Power Sum'. Should be good for 5E, but not 6. That's for the
jack only, of course. The performance of the installation also depends
on the cable type and on the quality of the workmanship in installing
the stuff..
> A vendor supplied a bunch of these as part of a peice of furniture,
> but I can't use them unless and until I have proof that they are
> certified to Cat 6... And replacing them could prove problematic
> because the openings are part of the furniture [no wall plate or
> anything]
No problem. The Cat-6 version, currently 'MGS400', has exactly the same
external dimensions. Makes no sense to replace them if the cable is not
of the corresponding level.
> "We have these RJ-45 connectors..."
> "A RJ-45 connector is a 8 wire modular connector"
They are right. The connector itself is indeed an 8-position modular
jack, and that's it. When using it in a structured cabling system, you
attach wires according to some ISO or ANSI/TIA standard. 'RJ-45' is a
telephony standard specifying a particular use of the connector, with
this signal on this pair and that signal on that other pair. 'RJ-45' is
at about the same level as '10Base-T', with send on this pair and
receive on that pair.
Cheers.
lawrenc...@ugsplm.com
>
> Ah yes - RJ45 is just the jack specification
No, it is not. RJ 45 is a specification for the jack and its wiring for
a particular telecom application. In particular, it is a specification
for connecting an analog modem to a single POTS line: tip and ring are
on pins 5 and 4 respectively, and there's a programming resistor across
pins 7 and 8 to set the modem's transmit power level as specified in
47CFR68.502(e)(2). It is, and always has been, incorrect to use it to
refer just to the physical connector.
-Larry Jones
I hate being good. -- Calvin
Lincoln J. King-Cliby
<snip>
>
> Category 5 'Power Sum'. Should be good for 5E, but not 6. That's for the
> jack only, of course. The performance of the installation also depends
> on the cable type and on the quality of the workmanship in installing
> the stuff..
Thanks for that info... We finally got someone at the vendor of our
furniture to tell us what was going on, and they are indeed Category 5
'Power Sum'... We can't use 'em...
Standard for the (brand new) building is Category 6 end-to-end (people
have been chastized for -bringing- a Cat5e patch cable through its
doors)... With the exception of this furniture its all Amp (cable,
patch panels, jacks) Cat 6, and every drop has been tested and
certified to 6 using a "really expensive looking tester thing"
(datacom is no longer my area, so I'm not sure exactly what it is... I
think it was manufactured by Avaya, gives attenuation, etc.
That's part of the reason it was so critical that these jacks are Cat6
-- they would be literally the only jacks in a 200,000+ square foot
building that weren't
<snip>
>
> No problem. The Cat-6 version, currently 'MGS400', has exactly the same
> external dimensions. Makes no sense to replace them if the cable is not
> of the corresponding level.
Thanks! We will find a source for these, now that I know what to look
for!
>
> > "We have these RJ-45 connectors..."
> > "A RJ-45 connector is a 8 wire modular connector"
>
> They are right. The connector itself is indeed an 8-position modular
> jack, and that's it. When using it in a structured cabling system, you
> attach wires according to some ISO or ANSI/TIA standard. 'RJ-45' is a
> telephony standard specifying a particular use of the connector, with
> this signal on this pair and that signal on that other pair. 'RJ-45' is
> at about the same level as '10Base-T', with send on this pair and
> receive on that pair.
>
> Cheers.
Yeah, I know, I just got so fustrated (I spent 10 minutes on hold
while someone at Avaya searched for information with nothing beyond
"RJ-45 Jack" -- she wouldn't take the #s I had, description, etc.) and
then came back with generic information I already had.
Thanks again,
Lincoln
Lincoln J. King-Cliby
In my own defense here, I know its not the proper term, but I've found
that in general when talking to others, it is hopeless to call the
connector anything other than a RJ-45 jack/plug/connector... Just
asking for the blank stare effect. And the folks I was taking to at
Avaya seemed way too chalenged by -that- description to try anything
more advanced.
Lincoln
Lincoln J. King-Cliby
> "Lincoln J. King-Cliby" <chsv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:45fa70e4.04030...@posting.google.com...
> Well welcome to ATT/Lucent/Avaya. Anyway the numbers you are reading are off
> the module. It is an MPS100E module but the other number is some sort of
> mould number. Are none of them in the original packing ? I pulled one out of
> my truck The package has a 9 digit number called a Comcode on it. The one I
> have is 108232703, this is for a cat5e orange module. The module is cat5e,
> but may be a super cat5e ( rated to 350MHZ versus 200MHZ for regular cat5e).
So I guess it is advisable to not recommend Avaya products when I have
the opportuinty?
All of the connectors came pre-installed in the furniture inserts,
hince my dificulty finding info -- it appears that the comcode is the
only number that this stuff can be found by and they just print the
other #s for fun.
> You HAVE to use the Comcode number when talking to those guys. If you do not
> have a package use the number above, you can find the specifications.
That makes sense, I suppose, it would have been nice if they printed
the comcode on the jack itself, 'cause once they're out of the package
it appears that there's no hope of figuring out exactly what you have.
As an aside - every other Cat 5/5e/6 jack I've come across either has
"5 in a C", "Cat.5" "Enhanced CAT5", or "Category 6" (or some
variation) printed somewhere on the jack itself ... This is so
universal, I had thought this was required as part of one of the
standards.
[Examples: Leviton have it printed on the front of the jack, with Amp
its on the label on the bottom of the jack (From my scrap bin:
"Enhanced CAT5 / AMP 0047 / 406372-4 / US PAT5299956"), with Ortonics
modules the 5 in a C is in the bottom right corner, with Neutrik
EtherCons its on the label with the wiring color codes between the 110
blocks]
> If you cannot use cat5e or Xcat5e, the cat6 will snap into the same
> faceplate. Call the communications guy at the nearest Graybar Electric.
In this building, nothing less than (certified) cat 6 will fly, but
its nice to know that the "new" jacks (cat6) will fit in the same
openings... We are in the process of obtaining jacks that we can use.
Thanks again for your response,
Lincoln
Dmitri <Cabling-Design.com>
bit.
The reason they do not have CAT5(E) printed on the jack that you have is
because the jack entered production (long) before CAT5E was ratified, and
they needed to differentiate themselves from the rest of CAT5 manufacturers,
so they came up with their own designation "PowerSum". This is pretty much
why it's called MPS100 - Modular Power Sum, rated to 100MHz.
Anyways, as correctly pointed out by others posting here, the newer CAT6
jack, MGS400 will perfectly fit into the opening for MPS100E. Now, the other
problem you are facing is that AMP CAT6 cable is not guaranteed to work well
with Avaya jacks. There is still no inter-operability between different
manufacturers' CAT6 components.
To further complicate the situation with these jacks, the product family
does not belong to Avaya anymore! They got bought by CommScope, and are in
transition to the new owner now. So, do not call Avaya about these anymore
to avoid more frustration. The product family has its own website,
www.systimax.com which is the best source of info about these products,
including names, comcodes etc.
Good luck with your install!
--
Dmitri Abaimov, RCDD
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