16 button DTMF Phone
Kent Hansson
Hi all!
I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
Thank`s
Kent Hansson
Tech.manager
Teleservice Skane AB
Box 123
275 23 Sjobo
Sweden
Steve Sherman
Maybe NATO has some spare ones.
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John Gilbert
I found one at a hamfest a few years ago. The US military uses these phones
on their internal phone system. The A,B,C,D keys are labeled FO,F,I,P for
Flash Override, Flash, Immediate and Priority. The star key looked like an
actual star rather than an asterisk. This one also has a huge Cannon
connector on it and definately wouldn't work on the standard phone system.
I believe many of the phones use 4-wire, rather than 2-wire audio.
I remember seeing a more normal looking 16 button phone in the ATT (now
Lucent) government products catalog a few years ago. It was a product out
of their government group in North Carolina. At the time the price for a
model 2500 set was somewhere around $300.
> Hi all!
>
> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>
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SimGraphics
>> Hi all!
>>
>> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
>> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
Many modems let you do so:
ATDTABCDEF would dial "ABCDEF"
ATDT"ABCDEF" would dial "222333".
I think this was USRobotics Courier.
Hope this helps.
Sylvester
Tim Bruce
Maybe you are looking for what is called a silver box
Do a www search and you'll find the schematics....
Steve Sherman <she...@aur.alcatel.com> wrote:
: Maybe NATO has some spare ones.
: In article <WinLMSG.341...@news.abc.se>, Kent.H...@abc.se (Kent Hansson) writes:
: >Hi all!
: >
: >I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
: >with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
: >Thank`s
: >Kent Hansson
: >Tech.manager
: >Teleservice Skane AB
: >Box 123
: >275 23 Sjobo
: >Sweden
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David Lesher
jo...@comm.mot.com (John Gilbert) writes:
>I found one at a hamfest a few years ago. The US military uses these phones
>on their internal phone system. The A,B,C,D keys are labeled FO,F,I,P for
>Flash Override, Flash, Immediate and Priority. The star key looked like an
>actual star rather than an asterisk. This one also has a huge Cannon
>connector on it and definately wouldn't work on the standard phone system.
>I believe many of the phones use 4-wire, rather than 2-wire audio.
Yes, AUTOVON was a 4-wire system. The good news is that most
such sets were converted 2-wire ones and still have networks.
So all you must do is change a slew of jumpers.
Some phones were 4-wire AND 2-wire. This includes the enormous
Call Directors used by the SECDEF and others at that level. The
A-control for a 4-wire line would trip a slew of relays in the
phone closet [yes, the phone needed its own closet..] and turn on
4-wire mode. As you might suspect, you can not conference a 2-wire
and 4-wire call together ;-|
There are other options to get ABCD tones. Most IC-tone geneator
chips have them; you just need to grab that select line. I've seen
hacks with a SPDT toggle switch to select same.
Further, I'm told some of the original cup-core inductor pads
had a tap for them. Again, minor hardware hacking will be needed.
As for what you DO with them, well.... If you use the A button
and Willam Perry answers, don't blame me....
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Kevin R. Ray
SimGraphics <si...@netcom.com> wrote:
: >> Hi all!
: >> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
: >> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
: ATDTABCDEF would dial "ABCDEF"
: ATDT"ABCDEF" would dial "222333".
: I think this was USRobotics Courier.
: Hope this helps.
: Sylvester
Now don't you feel stupid?
Just out of curiosity -- why would you want/need to dial ABCD in the
private sector? I don't know of any PBX or telco's that recognize
those frequencies...???
Hfan
John Gilbert wrote:
>
> I found one at a hamfest a few years ago. The US military uses these phones
> on their internal phone system. The A,B,C,D keys are labeled FO,F,I,P for
> Flash Override, Flash, Immediate and Priority. The star key looked like an
> actual star rather than an asterisk. This one also has a huge Cannon
> connector on it and definately wouldn't work on the standard phone system.
> I believe many of the phones use 4-wire, rather than 2-wire audio.
>
> > Hi all!
> >
> > I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> > with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
Alcatel 4125 and 4120 got 16 buttons.These phones is dedicated for 4100
KSU .
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Paul Schmidt
Kent Hansson (Kent.H...@abc.se) wrote:
: I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
: with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
I used to use a modified touch-tone pad (for radio control)
in which I had the wire from the right-most column connected to
a toggle switch, which was connected to either the "correct" pin
on the tone generator circuit, or to the one next to it (which
produced the 1633 Hz tone) when the right-most row was used.
Not the most convenient thing to use, but it worked.
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Paul Schmidt wrote:
>
> Kent Hansson (Kent.H...@abc.se) wrote:
> : I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> : with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>
Marc Cooper
Kent Hansson wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>
>
> Kent Hansson
> Tech.manager
> Teleservice Skane AB
> Box 123
> 275 23 Sjobo
> Sweden
Check Hello Direct.
Kent Hansson
>
> Many modems let you do so:
> ATDTABCDEF would dial "ABCDEF"
> ATDT"ABCDEF" would dial "222333".
> I think this was USRobotics Courier.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Sylvester
Sorry i need a phone.
Thanks anyway.
Kent Hansson
> John Gilbert wrote:
> >
> > I found one at a hamfest a few years ago. The US military uses
> these phones > on their internal phone system. The A,B,C,D keys are
> labeled FO,F,I,P for > Flash Override, Flash, Immediate and
> Priority. The star key looked like an > actual star rather than an
> asterisk. This one also has a huge Cannon > connector on it and
> definately wouldn't work on the standard phone system. > I believe
> many of the phones use 4-wire, rather than 2-wire audio.
> 4100 KSU .
>
>
>
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> mailto:hf...@geocities.com
> http://www.geocities.com/soho/8896
Great, this was exactly what i was looking for.
Tahk you.
Kent Hansson
DL> Further, I'm told some of the original cup-core inductor pads had
DL> a tap for them. Again, minor hardware hacking will be needed.
DL>
DL> As for what you DO with them, well.... If you use the A button
DL> and Willam Perry answers, don't blame me....
Well i`ve been doing just that for a couple of months. But it thought
it would be better if there was a nice phone with 16 buttons to use.
73 / SM7MMJ
Kent Hansson
KR> Now don't you feel stupid?
KR>
KR> Just out of curiosity -- why would you want/need to dial ABCD in
KR> the private sector? I don't know of any PBX or telco's that
KR> recognize those frequencies...???
Nope I don`t feel stupid :-)
My request is not for the private sector.
David Clayton
Kent.H...@abc.se (Kent Hansson) contributed the following:
>
>KR> Now don't you feel stupid?
>KR>
>KR> Just out of curiosity -- why would you want/need to dial ABCD in
>KR> the private sector? I don't know of any PBX or telco's that
>KR> recognize those frequencies...???
>
>Nope I don`t feel stupid :-)
>
>My request is not for the private sector.
>
Siemens *used* to sell handsets with the "ABCD" keys in the '80s, but if
they still do these days I can't tell you.
Regards, David.
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Julian Macassey
In article <WinLMSG.341...@news.abc.se>,
Kent Hansson <Kent.H...@abc.se> wrote:
>
>I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
>with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
I know Stor Nordisk Telegraf (GNT) used to sell their F
phone with 16 buttons. Also ITT used to have some.
So, try checking in Denmark, you should find some sets
there.
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Scott Shattles
Congradulations Kevin you win todays ignorance award.
Many of todays systems use these tones - (autovon) for signalling call
progression to voice mail.
Ziad makes a buttset called PHD that includes these and a digit
grabber.
So There!
Kevin R. Ray <ke...@chicago.org> wrote:
>SimGraphics <si...@netcom.com> wrote:
>: >> Hi all!
>: >> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
>: >> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>: Many modems let you do so:
>: ATDTABCDEF would dial "ABCDEF"
>: ATDT"ABCDEF" would dial "222333".
>: I think this was USRobotics Courier.
>: Hope this helps.
>: Sylvester
>
>Now don't you feel stupid?
>
>Just out of curiosity -- why would you want/need to dial ABCD in the
>private sector? I don't know of any PBX or telco's that recognize
>those frequencies...???
Eric Hildum
Kevin R. Ray wrote:
>
> SimGraphics <si...@netcom.com> wrote:
> : >> Hi all!
> : >> I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> : >> with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
> : Many modems let you do so:
> : ATDTABCDEF would dial "ABCDEF"
> : ATDT"ABCDEF" would dial "222333".
> : I think this was USRobotics Courier.
> : Hope this helps.
> : Sylvester
>
> Now don't you feel stupid?
>
> Just out of curiosity -- why would you want/need to dial ABCD in the
> private sector? I don't know of any PBX or telco's that recognize
> those frequencies...???
That depends. In some releases of the Meridian 1 software, sending any
of ABCD will cause the call to crash (not the switch, just the call).
If you have Autovon on a Meridian 1, it uses ABCD to do it.
I have seen ABCD used to provide additional security for phone based
services. The ABCD digits are used in the account/pin information, which
greatly reduces the number of potential threats (not so many hackers
have that phone, or know of it) and, more importantly, increases the
search space for exhaustive attacks.
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John Bingham
Julian Macassey wrote:
>
> In article <WinLMSG.341...@news.abc.se>,
> Kent Hansson <Kent.H...@abc.se> wrote:
> >
> >with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>
> phone with 16 buttons. Also ITT used to have some.
In the 1980s ITT Standard Elecric Kirk in Denmark produced a phone with
ABCD keys, beautifully made and with a price to match. The case was
designed by Bang & Olufsen and had a concave top. The design was taken
up by CGCT the French ITT company (now part of Matra) and the dark brown
version was common in France. British Telecom badged the handsfree
version for a while.
An ISDN version was talked about, but I don't know whether it was ever a
product.
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Jay R. Ashworth
On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:36:22 -0700,
Marc Cooper <mvco...@erols.com> wrote:
> Kent Hansson wrote:
> > I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> > with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
>
Nope. Check Graybar.
MetroTel makes two external 16-button dialpad, one with memory, which
include the appropriate network stuff to go on a phone line. Model
2312C is a manual dial, while 2315 has memories built in.
Or, you could get a dialless 2500 set, and a PIPO 16 button pad.
Graybar doesn't list any 16 button phones, nore any conversion kits.
And rememer, Graybar has the same kind of life-safety exclusions in their
catalog as, say Ti's components division: so if you're planning on
using this in a Command and Control system, don't plan on suing them if
it breaks. :-)
Cheers,
-- jra
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Kent Hansson
JB> In the 1980s ITT Standard Elecric Kirk in Denmark produced a
JB> phone with ABCD keys, beautifully made and with a price to match.
JB> The case was designed by Bang & Olufsen and had a concave top.
JB> The design was taken up by CGCT the French ITT company (now part
JB> of Matra) and the dark brown version was common in France.
JB> British Telecom badged the handsfree version for a while.
Yes ir shure was a nice telephone. We used that phone, but unfortunately
Kirk cancelled the produktion.
Rich C
Jaleel Ihsan <ih...@nmti.com> wrote in article <5vm8p3$c...@web.nmti.com>...
> In article <5vi8cc$l92$1...@earth.execpc.com>,
> Julian Macassey <jul...@bongo.tele.com> wrote:
> >In article <WinLMSG.341...@news.abc.se>,
> >Kent Hansson <Kent.H...@abc.se> wrote:
> >>
> >>I`m wondering if some one here knows where i can find telephones
> >>with a 16 button DTMF keypad (0-9, # * and A B C D ).
Try ELCOTEL out of florida
The extra row is used in their call center to support customer
refunds from private payphones.
GHTROUT
You can't get the phone, but you can download all of the tones (yes all:
0-9, *, #, A,B,C,D, 2600, etc) from here:
http://www.execpc.com/~ghtrout/download.html
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