Dark fiber dying?
jamesrsmith
in small or suburban metros?
Looks like they're starting to bundle it up with managed
services - declaring that they don't sell it after all. There's
nothing quite like paying for terminal equipment *and* protocol
converters/media gateways you don't really need - especially when
you get a chance to do so on a recurring basis. I guess we
need to add components to bump up the probability of failure,
or at least increase the uncertainty when isolating a trouble.
Jim
Macy Hallock
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> Anybody having trouble getting carriers to sell dark fiber
> in small or suburban metros?
No surprise here. Been through it many times. In most suburban
areas there's not enough competition. They don't have to sell or share.
The only way they can justify their plant costs and their rates is to
only lease capacity to you. The surburban cable co. operators are a
prime example of this. I've seen electric utilities take the same
attitude about building out a fiber router for a large customer.
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james...@jimsmail.com says...
At times we had considered getting into this kind of thing. But we went
with T-3 instead. And a few of our closer sites with high buildings have
an antenna and an 802.11b link instead. The cost is a lot less than
monthly service from Pac Hell.
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Just when you thought you had all this figured out, the gov't
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Watson A.Name
> As quoted from james...@jimsmail.com (jamesrsmith):
>
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> > Anybody having trouble getting carriers to sell dark fiber
> > in small or suburban metros?
>
> No surprise here. Been through it many times. In most suburban
> areas there's not enough competition. They don't have to sell or share.
>
> The only way they can justify their plant costs and their rates is to
> only lease capacity to you. The surburban cable co. operators are a
> prime example of this. I've seen electric utilities take the same
> attitude about building out a fiber router for a large customer.
I heard on the news that Williams is going bankrupt and Worldcom is
having problems, so i guess things aren't as rosy for them as they could
be. One would think that they could do more for the customers or
potential customers if they wanted to.
jamesrsmith
> In article <7bf4b83a.02042...@posting.google.com>,
> james...@jimsmail.com says...
> > Anybody having trouble getting carriers to sell dark fiber
> > in small or suburban metros?
> >
>
> with T-3 instead. And a few of our closer sites with high buildings have
> an antenna and an 802.11b link instead. The cost is a lot less than
> monthly service from Pac Hell.
>
I'm tinkering with a ROI for an installation in the 5GHz range.
Looks like less than a year, perhaps - but I don't have any good numbers
on T-3 prices @ about 3 miles per circuit yet. From what I can tell,
they're all free spectrum so far, as the licensed range has yet to
be awarded due to snags with the DOD.
Also, I notice that there are licensed channels in the ~23GHz range.
I'm wondering what the recurring monthly fee is on something like that
if anyone knows.
Thanks,
Jim
jamesrsmith
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> changed it: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html
Yeah, this is just plain wierd you know. Make those who have been
using the term for a while (based on binary) change *they're*
terminology so the new guys (base 10 folks) can steal the words for
their use.
"Hey buddy, ya' mind movin' over? We gotta' bring in the stuff."
George Carlin, circa 1970ish
Jim
do...@49.usenet.us.com
: Anybody having trouble getting carriers to sell dark fiber
: in small or suburban metros?
Dark fiber is quite a problem to set up for a small telco.
The taxation is completely separate from any other product, and the
regulatory controls are special, as well.
I don't know what the profitability side would be, 'cause we aren't even
considering selling it.
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The_Commo_Guy
> jamesrsmith <james...@jimsmail.com> wrote:
> : Anybody having trouble getting carriers to sell dark fiber
> : in small or suburban metros?
>
> Dark fiber is quite a problem to set up for a small telco.
> The taxation is completely separate from any other product, and the
> regulatory controls are special, as well.
> I don't know what the profitability side would be, 'cause we aren't even
> considering selling it.
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