Cheapest Smartnet contract to download IOS?

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Ghazan Haider

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Jun 25, 2003, 10:57:09 AM6/25/03
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Ive a bunch of routers I bought from eBay, and like everyone else I
need updated IOS for some features.

Now I havent found any vendor to allow me to download specific IOS
versions, and with the number of routers I have I think I should go
with a smartnet contract. Ive heard of $80 USD prices, but Ive seen
some contract numbers with AR (advanced replacement) costing $20.
Others Ive seen cost $60.

So for someone who needs a personal contract, doesnt have one already
and has bought routers off ebay, what smartnet contract is the
cheapest that allows the download of the latest IOS for ANY router
below the 3600 series?

Hows the CON-OS-PKG1?

Rod Dorman

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Jun 25, 2003, 2:37:54 PM6/25/03
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In article <2f57764a.03062...@posting.google.com>,

A couple of caveats here:
1) each of the routers needs to have a separate software license
purchaced, the license didn't transfer when you bought the hardware.
2) each router needs its own smartnet contract.

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Fabio Sardone

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Jun 25, 2003, 3:47:03 PM6/25/03
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Ghazan Haider <gha...@ghazan.haider.name> wrote:
> Ive a bunch of routers I bought from eBay, and like everyone else I
> need updated IOS for some features.

Since you bought router from ebay you do not hold a valid IOS license,
therefore, to be legal, you need to purchase a license for the appropriate
feature set for your router (usually an IP only for the 2600 or th 800 series
can go for $25 approx, up to thousands for IPsec/firewall feature sets)

> Now I havent found any vendor to allow me to download specific IOS
> versions, and with the number of routers I have I think I should go
> with a smartnet contract. Ive heard of $80 USD prices, but Ive seen
> some contract numbers with AR (advanced replacement) costing $20.
> Others Ive seen cost $60.

Once you have a valid license you can think about SMARTNet. The lowest cost
smartnet allowing you to download software is the 8x5xNBD (SNT) this means that
the hardware replacement is shipped during working hours (8x5) of the next
business day. The Smartnet is priced according to the class of the router for
the SNT a cat1 (cisco 800) is aboyt $90 USD/year and a cat 3 (1750) is about
220.
Additionally you need one for each router and, altough you gain access to all
feature sets, you are entitled to download only the feature sets for which you
hold a license (i.e. you have ip only you are entilted to download any version
but limited to the feature set ip only)

> So for someone who needs a personal contract, doesnt have one already
> and has bought routers off ebay, what smartnet contract is the
> cheapest that allows the download of the latest IOS for ANY router
> below the 3600 series?

Finally Cisco reserves the right to inspect the router (at your expenses) if
not under warranty, before activating the smartnet (they never did it in my
experience for low end routers but I have news of such a thing for high end hw)

> Hows the CON-OS-PKG1?

No clue.
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Ghazan Haider

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Jun 26, 2003, 5:41:18 PM6/26/03
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So what do people do? I mean people without a corporation on top to
pay those kinds of bills?

I dont want to go into piracy, just a student with a lousy job and a
rusty group of routers. Can IOS be bought from someone, or the
license? Cant the license be transferred with the sale of a router
along with the routers serial number for instance?

Walter Roberson

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Jun 26, 2003, 7:41:02 PM6/26/03
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:So what do people do? I mean people without a corporation on top to

:pay those kinds of bills?

:I dont want to go into piracy, just a student with a lousy job and a
:rusty group of routers.

For the lower end routers, the IP license is only about $US15.

I believe the presumption is that if you can afford a higher end
router then you can afford the license for it.

:Can IOS be bought from someone, or the


:license? Cant the license be transferred with the sale of a router
:along with the routers serial number for instance?

I just checked the license and the answer is a clear NO. Not even
just a weak NO: it says it twice and mentions 'secondhand' explicitly:


[...] grant to Customer ("Customer") a nonexclusive and
nontransferable license to use [...]


Except as otherwise expressly provided under this Agreement,
Customer shall have no right, and Customer specifically agrees not to:

(i) transfer, assign or sublicense its license rights to any other
person, or use the Software on unauthorized or secondhand Cisco
equipment, and any such attempted transfer, assignment or
sublicense shall be void;
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Fabio Sardone

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Jun 27, 2003, 8:18:21 AM6/27/03
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Ghazan Haider <gha...@ghazan.haider.name> wrote:
> So what do people do? I mean people without a corporation on top to
> pay those kinds of bills?

If you can afford the router you should pay for the licence. Otherwise, you can
renounce to have your own lab and either:

-buy rack time (usually more cost effective);
-go to a cisco networking academy (cheap and quite good access to equipment
altough it takes time since one of the conditions for the Academy program is
that the course cannot last less than six month)


> I dont want to go into piracy, just a student with a lousy job and a
> rusty group of routers. Can IOS be bought from someone, or the
> license? Cant the license be transferred with the sale of a router
> along with the routers serial number for instance?

What IOS do you need? And what for? IP only is enough to get through CCNA and
is quite cheap, since anybody whit an used router needs one.

Ghazan Haider

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Jun 28, 2003, 12:35:46 AM6/28/03
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> If you can afford the router you should pay for the licence. Otherwise, you can
> renounce to have your own lab and either:
>
> -buy rack time (usually more cost effective);

Yeah but theres nothing like the hard cold feel of the metal chassis
that motivates you to learn all about it. I cant learn solaris from a
shell account, I had to get an Ultra 5 from eBay.

> -go to a cisco networking academy (cheap and quite good access to equipment
> altough it takes time since one of the conditions for the Academy program is
> that the course cannot last less than six month)

My timeframe for the CCIE is about 6 months. Plus I learn much faster
from a command line help and google than from a teacher and homework.

> What IOS do you need? And what for? IP only is enough to get through CCNA and
> is quite cheap, since anybody whit an used router needs one.

The 12.2T series to get a complete pppoe client, so the whole setup
here can work with my ISP. I know its not necessary for certs, but in
real life I anticipate dealing with clients with DSL connections.
Learning about the pppoe is probably more important than FDDI (not
sure).

I'm studying for my CCNP, and will need equipment to take me through
CCIE. I understand I'll have to rent the 3600s and 1900s and will buy
many 1600s and 2500s. For advanced topics I'm sure I'll need
specialized versions of IOSes.

Thanks Anyway.

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