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a...@accuser37.apu.edu

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Feb 19, 2001, 5:18:07 PM2/19/01
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I read some cable modem services don't allow VPN in their AUP. Does
anyone know about @Home with Adelphia (not PowerLink)? I need VPN for
work and do not wish to use my crappy 26400 modem connection for this.

Thanks!

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Paul Newhouse

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Feb 19, 2001, 5:42:29 PM2/19/01
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In article <zYgk6.43$rX4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

a...@accuser37.apu.edu writes:
> I read some cable modem services don't allow VPN in their AUP. Does
> anyone know about @Home with Adelphia (not PowerLink)? I need VPN for
> work and do not wish to use my crappy 26400 modem connection for this.

The @home AUP didn't contain anything about VPN's the last time I looked.
You aren't supposed to run a server, although what they mean by a server
isn't at all clear. I gave up running a VPN over @home. The service is
far too flakey for anything serious, remember it's a "recreational"
service. I think it's a euphemism which is used in an attempt to excuse
fairly bad service.

I run my outbound ftp and httpd on the @home connection, but I had to
play some games to have it switch over to my DSL connection when @home
wasn't connected to the internet and back to @home when it reconnects.

Good luck,
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a...@accuser37.apu.edu

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Feb 20, 2001, 12:30:44 AM2/20/01
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Paul Newhouse <rockhe...@bigbox.wan.vpn> wrote:
> In article <zYgk6.43$rX4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
> a...@accuser37.apu.edu writes:
>> I read some cable modem services don't allow VPN in their AUP. Does
>> anyone know about @Home with Adelphia (not PowerLink)? I need VPN for
>> work and do not wish to use my crappy 26400 modem connection for this.

> The @home AUP didn't contain anything about VPN's the last time I looked.
> You aren't supposed to run a server, although what they mean by a server
> isn't at all clear. I gave up running a VPN over @home. The service is
> far too flakey for anything serious, remember it's a "recreational"
> service. I think it's a euphemism which is used in an attempt to excuse
> fairly bad service.

Wait, I thought VPN wasn't server based? I was assuming VPN client to
my company's VPN server to access the Intranet.


> I run my outbound ftp and httpd on the @home connection, but I had to
> play some games to have it switch over to my DSL connection when @home
> wasn't connected to the internet and back to @home when it reconnects.

Matthew J Zukowski

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Feb 20, 2001, 6:33:52 PM2/20/01
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The AUP blindly says "no servers of any kind" but says "file sharing is permited" but reccomend "strong passwords". The issue of
remote access isn't covered at all. As long as VPN is used for "file sharing" it is permited per the AUP, IMHO anyway.

VPN can be server or client based I believe. It's just a ip tunnel into a network. You would have to define server for the
purpose of applying it to the @home AUP, which you don't want to do anyway. Best to define your *server* as a *host* rather then
a *server*. At least in the @home news groups anyway.

a...@accuser37.apu.edu wrote:

Paul Newhouse

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Feb 21, 2001, 1:07:28 AM2/21/01
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In article <96uut0$req$3...@brokaw.wa.com>,

Matthew J Zukowski <zake...@halcyon.com> writes:
> The AUP blindly says "no servers of any kind" but says "file sharing is permited" but reccomend "strong passwords". The issue of
> remote access isn't covered at all. As long as VPN is used for "file sharing" it is permited per the AUP, IMHO anyway.
>
> VPN can be server or client based I believe. It's just a ip tunnel into a network. You would have to define server for the
> purpose of applying it to the @home AUP, which you don't want to do anyway. Best to define your *server* as a *host* rather then
> a *server*. At least in the @home news groups anyway.

I only run "sharers" it's explicitly allowed by the AUP.

This went round-n-round not so long ago in this group. @home doesn't
define what it means by a server. It explicitly allows things that
W.R. Stevens & Douglas Comer site as the definitive quality that defines
a server ... the AUP is a bunch of jibberish, long on legal form and
short on technical merit.

Paul



> a...@accuser37.apu.edu wrote:
>: Paul Newhouse <rockhe...@bigbox.wan.vpn> wrote:
>:> In article <zYgk6.43$rX4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
>:> a...@accuser37.apu.edu writes:
>:>> I read some cable modem services don't allow VPN in their AUP. Does
>:>> anyone know about @Home with Adelphia (not PowerLink)? I need VPN for
>:>> work and do not wish to use my crappy 26400 modem connection for this.
>
>:> The @home AUP didn't contain anything about VPN's the last time I looked.
>:> You aren't supposed to run a server, although what they mean by a server
>:> isn't at all clear. I gave up running a VPN over @home. The service is
>:> far too flakey for anything serious, remember it's a "recreational"
>:> service. I think it's a euphemism which is used in an attempt to excuse
>:> fairly bad service.
>
>: Wait, I thought VPN wasn't server based? I was assuming VPN client to
>: my company's VPN server to access the Intranet.
>
>
>:> I run my outbound ftp and httpd on the @home connection, but I had to
>:> play some games to have it switch over to my DSL connection when @home
>:> wasn't connected to the internet and back to @home when it reconnects.

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a...@accuser37.apu.edu

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Feb 21, 2001, 11:36:32 AM2/21/01
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I assume using VPN just to access my work's Intranet is OK and not violating
the AUP. Correct? I am not going to run any servers. I am basically the
client on my computers with @Home.

Wayd Wolf

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Feb 21, 2001, 1:36:18 PM2/21/01
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ant,
VPN problems were in some cases, as far as I can remember, based on
small residential businesses which got @Home connections and then ran them
as VPN gateways for their employees. Such use is strictly for @Work.
In other cases, the MSOs decided that although they spent years
promoting client-side VPN access to get work-at-home people to get their
companies to foot the bills for their cable modems and increase sales, that
the businesses were making out like bandits by not paying for traditional
and more expensive dedicated fractional or complete T1s, or frame relay
services for their employees. Evidently, their greed has gotten the better
of them and they've forgotten the earlier promotions practices and now want
work-at-home people to have the more expensive @Work service to use VPNs.
Blocking of the ports for VPN are on an MSO by MSO basis.
-Wayd Wolf

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a...@accuser37.apu.edu

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Feb 21, 2001, 5:21:44 PM2/21/01
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> VPN problems were in some cases, as far as I can remember, based on
> small residential businesses which got @Home connections and then ran them
> as VPN gateways for their employees. Such use is strictly for @Work.
> In other cases, the MSOs decided that although they spent years
> promoting client-side VPN access to get work-at-home people to get their
> companies to foot the bills for their cable modems and increase sales, that
> the businesses were making out like bandits by not paying for traditional
> and more expensive dedicated fractional or complete T1s, or frame relay
> services for their employees. Evidently, their greed has gotten the better
> of them and they've forgotten the earlier promotions practices and now want
> work-at-home people to have the more expensive @Work service to use VPNs.
> Blocking of the ports for VPN are on an MSO by MSO basis.
> -Wayd Wolf

Is there a way to find this out from my MSO (Adelphia)? Would Adelphia's
support know? Heh, I wonder if they even know what a VPN is!


>> I read some cable modem services don't allow VPN in their AUP. Does
>> anyone know about @Home with Adelphia (not PowerLink)? I need VPN for
>> work and do not wish to use my crappy 26400 modem connection for this.

Paul Newhouse

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Feb 21, 2001, 9:59:14 PM2/21/01
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In article <k8Sk6.1611$Nh3.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

a...@accuser37.apu.edu writes:
> I assume using VPN just to access my work's Intranet is OK and not violating
> the AUP. Correct? I am not going to run any servers. I am basically the
> client on my computers with @Home.

That's how I read it, but read it yourself.

Paul

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