Oh yea, slow down seems very, very minimal. www.nat32.com
Try it out. They have trial version. You won't be sorry.
Arent Wingate and WinRoute both NAT servers also?
-Eric Gross
>From: "Eric Gross" <eric...@mediaone.net>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>References: <8iaqdk$1kal$1...@news.aros.net>
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
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>"paceman" <clar...@kimber.com> wrote: in message
>|
>| I bought NAT32 build 1115, $25.00. I had a few problems getting it
>| to run.
>| I believe it was probably my fault. Perhaps the settings were not
>| right. I tried using the program again and checked everything. It
>| works now!!!
>|
>| NAT servers or NAT server programs are the only way to go. Forget
>| winproxy - wingate - winroute etc.. Nat32 works great and it's at
>| least half or more the cost of others. You also are not restricted
>| to how many users can be logged on.
>
>Aren't Wingate and WinRoute both NAT servers also?
>
>-Eric Gross
Eric:
Yes, but there is considerable difference in cost. The following is a
comparison of various of connection sharing products which I pulled
together earlier this year:
NAT32
-----
http://www.nat32.com/
(Unlimited license $25 unsupported / $47 with full Email support)
WinProxy
--------
http://www.winproxy.com/
(3 User $59.95 / 5 User $99.95 / 10 User $189.95 / 25 User $399.95
Unlimited User $699.95 / 234-page Printed Manual $10.00)
All Aboard!
-----------
http://www.internetshare.com
The All Aboard! SE and BE are InterNetShare.com's Internet
Connection Sharing Software Solution that enables multiple users to
access the Internet using one connection via a Windows 95/98/2000
or NT system. The Internet connection can be an analogue modem,
cable modem, ISDN, xDSL, satellite or T1/T3 link. SE: 3 user
$39.95, 6 user $69.95, 10 user $119.95, and 25 user $199.95;
BE (has additional management and logging features), 3 user $275,
6 user $375, 10 user $475, and 25 user $950.
ShareTheNet
-----------
http://www.ShareTheNet.com/
Runs as a dedicated application on a gateway computer, which the
author claims can run much faster than other net sharing products
-- even on slower hardware because it doesn't have the overhead of
Windows95 or Windows NT. Also its memory requirements are much
lower. A computer must be dedicated exclusively to this task --
it cannot run other applications while acting as the Gateway Server.
The good news is one can use an older computer, such as a 386 or
486 and still get excellent performance. Download from website:
demo free / $70 for full license.
WinRoute
--------
http://www.winroute.com/
Comes in three versions (Pro, Home and Lite) with varying features
and provides lots of pricing choices:
WinRoute Professional (version 4.1, Win9x/NT4/2000)
Router, NAT, Firewall - packet filtering, Proxy Server with user
access restriction, Enhanced Cache, Mail Server, integrated DNS and
DHCP server, Port Mapping, Enhanced multimedia support, Secure
remote administration, Activity logs
WinRoute Pro 4.1 5 users - download $ 199
WinRoute Pro 4.1 5 users - boxed $ 219
WinRoute Pro 4.1 10 users - download $ 389
WinRoute Pro 4.1 10 users - boxed $ 409
WinRoute Pro 4.1 25 users - download $ 529
WinRoute Pro 4.1 25 users - boxed $ 549
WinRoute Pro 4.1 unlimited users - download $ 699
WinRoute Pro 4.1 unlimited users - boxed $ 719
Manual for WinRoute Pro 4.x $ 10
WinRoute Lite (version 4.1, Win9x/NT4/2000)
Router, NAT, simple DHCP and DNS server, Port Mapping, ZERO
configuration, multimedia, VPN.
WinRoute Lite 4.1 3 users $ 59
WinRoute Lite 4.1 10 users $ 149
WinRoute Lite 4.1 unlimited users $ 299
WinRoute Home (version 3.04, Win9x/NT4)
Router, NAT, simple DHCP and DNS server, ZERO configuration,
multimedia, VPN.
WinRoute Home 3.0 3 users $ 49
WinRoute Lite 3.0 unlimited users $ 149
Wingate
-------
http://www.deerfield.com/wingate/
Wingate comes in three flavors: home, standard and pro. The home
version is reasonably fully featured. The standard version adds
the ability to have "ban lists" and "rules and policies" (which
let the system admin restrict particular users to certain access
at certain times.) The pro version adds even more features,
including "remote administration," an "extended user database,"
and "client authentication."
Pricing:
3-User WinGate Home 4.0 $39.95
6-User WinGate Home 4.0 $69.95
3-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $79.95
6-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $139.95
12-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $229.95
25-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $349.95
50-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $499.95
Unlimited-User WinGate Standard 4.0 $699.95
6-User WinGate Pro 4.0 $299.95
12-User WinGate Pro 4.0 $499.95
25-User WinGate Pro 4.0 $699.95
50-User WinGate Pro 4.0 $849.95
Unlimited-User WinGate Pro 4.0 $949.95
Microsoft Windows98-SE
----------------------
"Internet Connection Sharing"
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/guide/Win98/Features/InternetConnect.asp
Available directly from Microsoft at these following MSRP:
Microsoft® Windows® 98
Second Edition - Full Version $ 209
Microsoft® Windows® 98
Second Edition - Upgrade $ 109
(for licensed users of Windows 95,
Window 3.1, and Windows for Workgroups 3.1x.)
Existing Windows 98 (original version - Gold) users
wanting to upgrade to the Second Edition level can
purchase the Windows 98 Second Edition Updates CD
for $19.95 from the Microsoft Windows 98 web site
at http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/
Artisoft iShare
---------------
http://www.artisoft.com
The manufacturer describes this product as follows: "With i.Share 3.5,
your office, classroom or workgroup can make the most of your network
connections by delivering Web content and e-mail to everyone using
one Internet connection and one ISP account. i.Share 3.5's server-side
caching features, combined with enhanced network and application
management features make it the fastest and most easy-to-install and
manage version of i.Share ever. i.Share 3.5 now includes support for
TCP/IP, so customers can run i.Share across networks using Microsoft
NetBEUI, Artisoft NetBIOS, Novell IPX/SPX or TCP/IP protocols."
i. Share 3.5 - 5 User $ 129.00
i. Share 3.5 - 15 User $ 269.00
i. Share 3.5 - 32 User $ 349.00
i. Share 3.5 - Unlimited User $ 499.00
SyGate
------
http://www.sygate.com
SonicWall
---------
http://www.sonicwall.com/firewall/index.html
IPNetRouter
-----------
http://www.sustworks.com
Vicom Softrouter
----------------
http://www.vicomsoft.com/softrouter/sfr.main.html
Vicom SurfDoubler
-----------------
http://www.vicomsoft.com
The linux community has a number of modules which can be compiled
and combined in various combinations to build extremely
customizable firewall/router systems:
Linux (using ipmasq and ipchains)
---------------------------------
http://ipmasq.cjb.net/
And then there are these products which are hardware based and
consist of some type of customized box with proprietary software:
Whistle InterJet
----------------
http://www.whistle.com/
Team Internet
-------------
http://www.esoft.com/
UMAX U-Gate 3000
----------------
http://www02.umax.com/networking/standard/
with a review at
http://www.cablemodeminfo.com/umax3000review.html-ssi
And some SOHO routers designed for cable/DSL using NAT:
Linksys
-------
BEFSR41 - EtherFast 4-Port Cable/DSL Router
http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?prid=20&grid=5
And there are many, many others.
Cheers,
The Old Bear
Such as these free ones I have used;
http://home.t-online.de/home/sog-luebeck/hhproxy.htm
http://www.sambar.com and the one I currently use
http://www.linuxsupportline.com/~router/
The last one uses a stand alone computer to do the NAT/router thing and runs
off one floppy. Any 386 33 and up with at least 6 meg will work. It is easy
to set up and has a web page interface.
--
----
Les Nagy mailto:in...@atsi.on.ca
Aldebaran Technological Services Inc.
Phone: 905-388-1011
Fax : 905-388-9028
http://www.atsi.on.ca
"Eric Gross" <eric...@mediaone.net> wrote in message
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>
> "paceman" <clar...@kimber.com> wrote in message
> news:8iaqdk$1kal$1...@news.aros.net...
> | I bought NAT32 build 1115, $25.00. I had a few problems getting it to
> run.
> | I believe it was probably my fault. Perhaps the settings were not
right.
> I
> | tried using the program again and checked everything. It works now!!!
> NAT
> | servers or NAT server programs are the only way to go. Forget
winproxy -
> | wingate - winroute etc.. Nat32 works great and it's at least half or
more
>
> Arent Wingate and WinRoute both NAT servers also?
>
> -Eric Gross
>
-Eric Gross
"The Old Bear" <old...@arctos.com> wrote in message
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"paceman" <clar...@kimber.com> wrote in message
news:8iaqdk$1kal$1...@news.aros.net...
> I bought NAT32 build 1115, $25.00. I had a few problems getting it to
run.
> I believe it was probably my fault. Perhaps the settings were not right.
I
> tried using the program again and checked everything. It works now!!!
NAT
> servers or NAT server programs are the only way to go. Forget winproxy -
> wingate - winroute etc.. Nat32 works great and it's at least half or more
>From: "Phil Alverson" <ph...@alverson.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
>Lines: 26
>
>If you want NAT, just use the built in ICS with Windows 2000 or Windows
>98se. They come built in to the operating system and work great
IMHO, Win98se ICS comes with a curse: Win98. I have tried installing
Win98 on several machines and have had to tear them down to go back to
Win95 because Win98 is so huge, incorporates features which are not
helpful, tends to do things *Microsoft thinks* the user wants to do
and not things that the user actually wants to do, etc.
I know some people who like Win98... however, I am not one of them.
As for Win98se's "Internet Connection Sharing", here is what the
author of NAT32 says in comparison:
---------- begin included text ----------
Why NAT32 is superior to
Windows 98 SE Internet Connection Sharing
-----------------------------------------------
Performance
Independent tests have shown that NAT32 outperforms Win98SE
ICS by at least a factor of two when used with Cable
Modems, ADSL connections and Ethernet Connections.
One reason for this is that 98SE ICS installs two additional
protocols for each available Adapter, and even Microsoft itself
recommends against this (in its Resource Kit Documentation)
because it adversely affects performance.
NAT32 requires only a single, small (32Kbyte) Device Driver
(NDIS3PKT) in order to access any Network Adapter.
Transparency
NAT32 leaves the Internet behaviour of the machine on which it
runs completely unchanged. This means that all Internet
Applications on the NAT32 machine run exactly as before. There
are no exceptions.
Win98SE ICS applies Network Address translation to all traffic
generated on the machine with the Internet Connection. This
means that only NAT-compatible applications can run on the
Win98SE ICS machine. To run NAT-incompatible applications (like
most games), you must turn off ICS, which then leaves your other
machines with no Internet connectivity at all.
DUN Server Support
NAT32 is still the only NAT package which fully supports the
Windows RAS and DUN Servers. NAT32 lets you connect an entire
LAN (and even multiple subnets) to the Internet via the DUN or
RAS Server. [i.e., you can attache a modem to your NAT32
machine and dial into it from a remote location. This lets
you become your own ISP, using your existing cable or ADSL
connection, when you're away from home.]
Flexibilty
NAT32 can share Cable Modems, ADSL Connections and similar even
if only a single Ethernet Adapter is available.
NAT32 works with one-way Cable Modems.
NAT32 does not restrict you in your choice of private LAN IP
addresses or the number of subnets which can share an Internet
connection.
NAT32 is completely configurable from a powerful command shell,
whereas ICS requires you to modify the Windows Registry in order
to configure it for special purposes.
NAT32 allows easy "opening up" of specific Ports on specific
private machines which are running FTP or WEB servers which
you may want to make accessible from the Internet.
NAT32 contains a Telnet Server, an HTTP Server and an Ident
Server. This lets you interact with and configure NAT32 from
remote locations.
NAT32 also supports SOCKS4 and SOCKS5 compatible applications.
ICS contains no support for any SOCKS version.
Expandability
NAT32 allows multiple machines on multiple physical subnets to
share a connection, whereas WIN98SE ICS allows only those
machines on a single Subnet (Adapter) to use the ICS feature.
NAT32 can be customised by adding your own shell commands which
you can write in either Tcl or C.
NAT32 lets you write your own WEB Servers or other special-
purpose TCP applications in Tcl.
Support
NAT32 registration buys you fast, detailed Email support.
---------- end included text ----------
Now I realize that the above is from one particular point of view.
However, he does make several good points.
Besides, I spent $90 to get an upgrade from Win95 to Win98 plus
another $20 to get from Win98 to Win98se... only to find that
Win98se did not work in my environment because I have to run some
particular applications on the machine that acts as internet
gateway server. So I blew $100 and ended up going back to Win95
and installing NAT32 for twenty-five bucks (plus another fifteen
for unlimited email support.)
Now, I'm not trying to sell anything here. Just wanted to relate
my experiences. As you saw in my previous post, there are many,
many different ways to share a DSL or cable modem connection.
Cheers,
The Old Bear
Phil Alverson wrote:
> If you want NAT, just use the built in ICS with Windows 2000 or Windows
> 98se. They come built in to the operating system and work great
>
BC
"caps-he1" <ev...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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-Eric Gross
Evan Radecki wrote:
>
> http://www.nat32.com/
--
Rich "Doc" Colley
CNE5
mailto:d...@ecom.net
If it weren't for this issue I'd be using Win98SE's ICS.
>From: "Rob" <do_not_dj...@mediaone.net>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
>Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:38 GMT
>
>Have you tried IRC and DCC with NAT32? The reason I like using WinRoute is
>that it correctly handles identd and DCC seamlessly from any machine. Every
>other NAT software I've used requires manually assigning ports to a specific
>machine, and then changing them (which doesn't work for me -- all three of
>us use IRC).
>
>If it weren't for this issue I'd be using Win98SE's ICS.
NAT32 has an IdentD program built into it. One just enables it in the NAT32
configuration and it responds to ident requests with the network name (or
whatever you want.)
I am puzzled how WinRoute handles multiple users' DCC requests. It is my
understanding that the way DCC is implemented, it must use specific ports
which are uniquely defined. It would seem that if one internal machine
were using DCC, that port would become unavailable to other machines on
your network. (While having the DCC function available on a first-come,
first-served basis makes sense, I am puzzled about how WinRoute might
implement concurrent DCC sessions with IRC clients which demand a particular
port number address.)
Can you or someone else provide more information?
Cheers,
The Old Bear
Obviously, this is not as good as if your ports are fully stealthed, as they are with Zone Alarm set to "High". But it seems tolerable to me, at least until the Zone Alarm folks can get their product improved to allow full stealth with a NAT product.
David Benson
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Rich ''Doc'' Colley wrote:
Does Nat32 work with any software Firewalls? (Like BlackIce, or Zone?)
I checked their FAQ and there was nothing mentioned about that...
Thanks.
Evan Radecki wrote:
>
> http://www.nat32.com/
>
> Art wrote:
>
> > What is Nat32?
> >
> > "paceman" <clar...@kimber.com> wrote in message
> > news:8iaqdk$1kal$1...@news.aros.net...
> > > I bought NAT32 build 1115, $25.00. I had a few problems getting it to
> > run.
> > > I believe it was probably my fault. Perhaps the settings were not right.
> > I
> > > tried using the program again and checked everything. It works now!!!
> > NAT
> > > servers or NAT server programs are the only way to go. Forget winproxy -
> > > wingate - winroute etc.. Nat32 works great and it's at least half or more
> > > the cost of others. You also are not restricted to how many user can be
> > > logged on. Built in IP masking with NAT. Gives you extra protection.
> > >
> > > Oh yea, slow down seems very, very minimal. www.nat32.com
> > >
> > > Try it out. They have trial version. You won't be sorry.
--
I have 1 desktop, 1 laptop (both with one NIC) connected to a hub ..
my cable modem is connected to the hub as well. Tried to install
nat32 on my desktop hoping it would be able to serve dhcp to my laptop
(running nt 4.0)
The only time I got my laptop to see my desktop is if I use my real IP
as my nat32 ip. It started dishing out dhcp addresses on the same
network as my actual modem IP (which seemed like it was grabbing IP
addresses from @home's pool of ip addresses).
I'm out of slots in my desktop for another NIC card (and I was hoping
to get this to work with what hardware I already have).
Do I configure my NAT32 on the desktop (which has only 1 card) with
just 1 interface? Do I set the NAT32 IP address with a bogus address
and have my laptop use the bogus address as the gateway address? (or
can I even have my laptop running NT 4.0 miraculously grab an address
from my desktop running NAT using dhcp?)
I've searched the net .. looked at hundreds of websites and read all
the postings and can't seem to find anything useful ... the only thing
I had any luck with was to run NSHARE on my laptop ... then my desktop
(running win2000) has no problem with that. Apparently NSHARE doesn't
install in win2000 so I was hoping NAT was going to solve my problem
(2 machines, each with just ONE card .. sharing ONE IP address). No
luck so far. Any suggestions out there? Is this even going to be
possible?
Thanks in advance!!
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000 08:47:04 -0600, "paceman" <clar...@kimber.com>
wrote:
>I bought NAT32 build 1115, $25.00. I had a few problems getting it to run.
>I believe it was probably my fault. Perhaps the settings were not right. I
>tried using the program again and checked everything. It works now!!! NAT
>servers or NAT server programs are the only way to go. Forget winproxy -
>wingate - winroute etc.. Nat32 works great and it's at least half or more
>the cost of others. You also are not restricted to how many user can be
>logged on. Built in IP masking with NAT. Gives you extra protection.
>
>Oh yea, slow down seems very, very minimal. www.nat32.com
>
>Try it out. They have trial version. You won't be sorry.
>
>
>
>
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Could have sworn the first time I went to the all aboard site it said
I'd need 2 cards for the base machine ... silly me.
Sorry for wasting your time with the previous message. For anyone in
the future who have a similar problem try this program .. works pretty
darn good.
On Wed, 05 Jul 2000 05:46:57 -0700, Han-Ching Tsui <co...@home.com>
wrote:
>From: Han-Ching Tsui <co...@home.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
Tsui:
If you're going going to have a single NIC in the desktop machine
which is acting as the NAT32 server, you have to assign it TWO IP
addresses: one on your private network from one of the non-routable
IP blocks reserved for such purposes, and one on the public internet.
The idea is that because the private IP addresses are non-routable,
even though they get to your hub and out through your cable modem,
they never make it beyond the first router. Similarly, the
machines on your private network only respond to addresses on
that network and ignore anything passing by from the public internet.
Obviously, this is not as secure as having two NICs in your desktop
NAT32 server, but it should work.
There is a diagram of this configuration on the NAT32 support pages
at http://www.nat32.com
When configuring NAT32, the primary interface should be set up with
your internet IP or to obtain an IP from your cable provider's DHCP
server. The secondary interface should be set up with an address
on your private network like 172.16.2.100.
Then set up your notebook to look to 172.16.2.100 as its gateway,
nameserver, DHCP server, etc.
Cheers,
The Old Bear
-Eric
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>From: "Eric Gross" <eric...@mediaone.net>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
>Lines: 81
>Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:53:38 GMT
>NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.91.49.210
>
>NAT32 can do it with 1 NIC? That's pretty useful, every other requires 2
>NICs for whatever reason..
>
>-Eric
Here is an excerpt from the NAT32 documentation which explains:
You basically have two options for installing a Cable Modem and a private
LAN segment at your site:
Option 1
You purchase an Ethernet Hub and connect your Cable Modem to the
UPLINK port of the hub. Your computers then connect to the other
ports of the Hub. (If the Hub doesn't have an UPLINK port, it
isn't expandable and you best return it to your vendor for a
refund. Alternatively, you could connect your Cable Modem to a
non-expandable hub using an Ethernet crossover cable.)
This single-adapter configuration works well, but suffers from the
"extra-hop" problem -- i.e. all packets between your other machines
and the Internet will need to travel across your LAN segment twice,
once to the NAT32 gateway, and then again to the ISP gateway. This
will reduce throughput somewhat, but you will only notice this when
communicating with fast sites (which, unfortunately, most aren't).
This option also has the constraint that the NAT32 DHCP server will
only respond to requests from machines with Ethernet Address listed
in the dhcpd.ini file.
To use this option on the Windows NT platform, you must add a second
IP address to the Microsoft TCP/IP Protocol Stack bound to your
Ethernet Adapter. You use the Control Panel Network Protocol TCP/IP
Properties Advanced... dialog to do this. Unfortunately, Windows NT
does not allow you to add a second IP address to an Adapter which is
DHCP-configured, so you must use Option 2 in this case.
On the Windows 95/98 platform, a second Microsoft TCP/IP Protocol
must be added to the Adapter. Unfortunately, Windows does not let
you select the particular adapter to which the second TCP/IP Protocol
is to be added. The Control Panel simply binds the Protocol to the
first available Adapter. This is only a problem if a Dial-Up Adapter
is also installed on your system, so you may need to temporarily
remove the Dial-Up Adapter, install the needed second Protocol and
then re-install the Dial-Up Adapter.
Option 2
You leave your Cable Modem attached to your existing Ethernet Adapter
and connect your other machines to a second Ethernet Adapter.
This dual-adapter configuration gives best performance because your
other machines use a separate network to communicate internally and
with NAT32. This configuration is also the easiest to install and
configure.
Another important advantage is that NAT32 will effectively "hide" your
private LAN computers from other users on the Internet. Those machines
will not be accessible to unsolicited incoming traffic, unless you
intentionally make a machine accessible by using the NAT32 Permanent
Port Mapping feature.
Whichever option you choose, you will require two IP addresses on the NAT32
machine, one will be the registered IP address of the Cable Modem Adapter,
the other will be the private IP address of the same adapter (Option 1) or
the second adapter (Option 2).
Evan Radecki wrote:
Has anyone had luck using NAT32 or other NAT work with H323 video conferencing
protocol? The version of NAT in my ISDN router is not compatible. I am switching
to a cable modem and plan to connect to Proxim Symphony wirelesss base to share
the cable modem. Hope this will allow use of H323 compatible software.
>From: Mark Perloe <mpe...@ivf.com>
>Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems.cable
>Subject: Re: Yea! Nat32 Rocks!
Haven't tried it, but the NAT32 site has a note which says:
Check out PhonePatch for an excellent H.323 proxy.
http://www.equival.com/phonepatch/index.html
Regards,
The Old Bear