Sybase drops support of numerous plarforms?
Gary Hubbard
the drop of support for numerous platforms. Which platforms will Sybase no
longer support? Can anyone shed some light on what's going on?
SPECIAL SYBASE MIGRATION PROMOTION
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costs, Sybase has announced to its customers that it is going to drop
support
of their products on numerous platforms within 18 months. Sybase has
selected Sun
as its preferred partner to help Sybase customers migrate smoothly to Sun
hardware.
This promotion runs through June 25, 1999.
Malcolm Blackhall
the number of platforms it has to support. The cost of supporting a platform is
much the same whether there is one customer using it or thousands. This
strategy makes perfect sense. There are two ways to increase profits: increase
sales or reduce costs. They haven't been increasing sales. And of course, some
platforms, like NCR UNIX are at the end of their lives as well.
Randy Kaelber
: I just received this message and would like comments. My biggest concern is
: the drop of support for numerous platforms. Which platforms will Sybase no
: longer support? Can anyone shed some light on what's going on?
Where'd you get this message? I find it hard to believe, myself. If it
were true, it certainly would make me look hard and long at remaining a
Sybase DBA. If it is true, I know they'll lose my current customer, given
all the problems they're having with 11.9.2 and tech suppport's complete
uselessness. This is an HP shop to the core, and if they dumped HP/UX
support, they'd be out of here on rails.
I've got to believe this is bull-pucky, probably a shady character
re-selling Suns trying to generate panic to boost his sales.
Randy
Guy Cole
specify any platforms. But I doubt HP/UX would be one of the targets.
Randy Kaelber (ran...@shell.one.net) wrote:
: Randy
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Randy Kaelber <ran...@shell.one.net> wrote:
>Where'd you get this message? I find it hard to believe, myself. If it
>were true, it certainly would make me look hard and long at remaining a
>Sybase DBA. If it is true, I know they'll lose my current customer, given
>all the problems they're having with 11.9.2 and tech suppport's complete
>uselessness. This is an HP shop to the core, and if they dumped HP/UX
>support, they'd be out of here on rails.
Sybase would never drop HP-UX. They are probably looking to drop platforms
like DataGeneral, Pyramid, Bull, etc.
--
Steve
cog...@netcom.com
Anthony Mandic
>
> Gary Hubbard (hubb...@phibred.com) wrote:
> : I just received this message and would like comments. My biggest concern is
> : the drop of support for numerous platforms. Which platforms will Sybase no
> : longer support? Can anyone shed some light on what's going on?
>
Relax the original poster said the letter said for a thousand odd
customers. That would make it a fairly obscure platform. It didn't
say which platform(s), but I'd figure that they'd target the
customers correctly. I'm not sure why the letter would have mentioned
migrating to Sun specifically. It sounds more reasonable to just
suggest
one of the big four UNIX ones (or NT or whatever).
> were true, it certainly would make me look hard and long at remaining a
> Sybase DBA. If it is true, I know they'll lose my current customer, given
> all the problems they're having with 11.9.2 and tech suppport's complete
> uselessness. This is an HP shop to the core, and if they dumped HP/UX
> support, they'd be out of here on rails.
What sort of problems?
> I've got to believe this is bull-pucky, probably a shady character
> re-selling Suns trying to generate panic to boost his sales.
I don't think we know who the letter was actually from. Was it
on Sybase letterhead?
-am
arun....@db.com
platforms.
Gary: Please quote source of information, website/newspaper/journal details
along with date and time.
ak
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br...@sybase.com
platforms. I doubt that HP will ever fall off that list.
The 11.9.2 release is available on NT, HPUX, DEC OSF, Sun Solaris (sparc, not
x86), and IBM AIX.
Some platforms that are supported at the 11.5 level not included in the above
list: SGI IRIX, SCO Unixware
Some platforms that are supported at the 11.0.3 level not included in the
above list: NCR, AlphaNT, SCO Unix, SCO Unixware, Sequent, SGI, AlphaVMS
In article <77soia$f8j$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Bret Halford
Sybase, Inc.
3665 Discovery Drive
Boulder, CO 80303
Patrick R. Sklenar
> Relax the original poster said the letter said for a thousand odd
> customers. That would make it a fairly obscure platform. It didn't
> say which platform(s), but I'd figure that they'd target the
After seeing the original post by Gary H., I promptly called my Sales
Rep to find out whether this is legit or a hoax. It *IS* legit, several
platforms are being "End of life", in other words, support is being
dropped for them. Letters were sent to Sybase folks (internal, like
Sales Reps) early last week. That announcement letter was dated January
11th, 1999. According to my Rep, the platforms are: Fujitsu, Motorola,
NCR, Sequent, NEC, ICL, Sony, Novell, NEX, AT&T, Pyramid, Bull, Apple,
Tandem, Semiens (sp?), UniSys and Stratus.
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Anthony Mandic
Well, that's a pretty big list. Some I don't think make Unix servers
any more (Apple, Motorola, Sony & NeXt). Some only cover some regional
areas mostly (like Fujitsu and NEC in Japan and ICL, Bull and Seimens
in Europe). Some only have a very small market share nowadays (NCR,
AT&T, UniSys and Pyramid). But some are curious - Novell is still
big and with v5 out still seems to be competitive. Sybase may just
have too small an exposure on it to justify continuing support.
-am
Gary Hubbard
SunDevFlash. I've included it below. I wish it were clearer on which
platforms and not so vague. These kinds of things simply instill panic in
people when they read them.
Thanks for to all who responded and helped clear this up a little.
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Leonard Nisenoff
>Sybase has decided to concentrate engineering power on its core server
>platforms. I doubt that HP will ever fall off that list.
>
>
>The 11.9.2 release is available on NT, HPUX, DEC OSF, Sun Solaris (sparc, not
>x86), and IBM AIX.
>
>Some platforms that are supported at the 11.5 level not included in the above
>list: SGI IRIX, SCO Unixware
>
>Some platforms that are supported at the 11.0.3 level not included in the
>above list: NCR, AlphaNT, SCO Unix, SCO Unixware, Sequent, SGI, AlphaVMS
>
I have a copy of 11.5.1 for SGI (Irix) sitting on my desk. I haven't,
as of yet, seen 11.9.2 (but I haven't actually looked).
>In article <77soia$f8j$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> arun....@db.com wrote:
>> As Anthony rightly points out the original message/news didn't say which
>> platforms.
>>
>> Gary: Please quote source of information, website/newspaper/journal details
>> along with date and time.
>>
>> ak
>>
>> > > Gary Hubbard (hubb...@phibred.com) wrote:
>> > > : I just received this message and would like comments. My biggest concern
>> is
>> > > : the drop of support for numerous platforms. Which platforms will Sybase
>no
>> > > : longer support? Can anyone shed some light on what's going on?
>> > >
>> > > Where'd you get this message? I find it hard to believe, myself. If it
>> >
>> > Relax the original poster said the letter said for a thousand odd
>> > customers. That would make it a fairly obscure platform. It didn't
>> > say which platform(s), but I'd figure that they'd target the
kenned...@yahoo.com
HP is a Teir 1 platform, second only to Solaris (the platform sybase develops
on). Sybase will never drop support for HPUX unless HP were dropping support
for it as well. Sybase has been working for years to consolidate around
about 5 key platforms. The top 3 are Solaris NT(Intel) and HP.
As far as I know all teir 3 platforms have now been dropped (eg: Open VMS,
Next) and some teir 2 platforms have been dropped (NT/Alpha), but no Teir 1
platforms have been effected. In fact it is the opposite - engineering staff
have been moved to these Teir 1 platforms.
Regards,
Leigh Kennedy.
Lyle H. Gray
>As far as I know all teir 3 platforms have now been dropped (eg: Open VMS,
>Next) and some teir 2 platforms have been dropped (NT/Alpha), but no Teir 1
>platforms have been effected. In fact it is the opposite - engineering staff
>have been moved to these Teir 1 platforms.
Wait a minute, NT/Alpha is being dropped? I'll have to forward that
Senior Management -- that's one of our primary platforms (OpenVMS
Alpha, unfortunately, is one of the others, but we knew about that
one).
Lyle H. Gray