Pick Basic Editor recommendations for Universe
mha...@ccli.com
I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a Windows-
based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control functionality
isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and have a
button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
Also, there's a product called uv/Edit that is developed by a company
in the UK called MMT (formerly ADG) (http://www.adg.co.uk/) that seems
to do this. Does anyone have any experiences with this product? Thanks
in advance.
Mark Havens
CCLI
Database Admin.
Portland, OR
mha...@ccli.com
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Before you buy.
Joe Walter
>Hello everyone -
>
>I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a Windows-
>based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
>programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control functionality
>isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
>ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and have a
>button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
>
<snip>
I've been using a very cool freeware editor called, generically
enough, 'The Programmers File Editor'. It certainly isn't Universe
aware, but it's a great editor IMHO. It will detect if another user
touches the same program you are editing and inform you, but it
doesn't 'lock' the item.
There are many, many nice features. It is no longer being developed,
but you can get it at http://www.lancs.ac.uk/people/cpaap/pfe/
I really like the duplicate window feature, where you can clone the
active window and scroll to and/or edit different code sections of the
same program in separate windows.
I just added a shortcut for the editor to the Windows Send To folder,
then whenever I want to edit UV basic code, I just get to the folder
containing the source code, right click on a program file and send it
to The Programmers File Editor.
Another editor I've heard good things about is called UltraEdit.
Joe Walter
mailto:ja...@mindspring.com
http://jaw1.home.mindspring.com
Keith Alderslade
multiple windows for the same item, compile & run options, different colours
for commands & text etc, auto indenting, wp functions. Only drawback that it
has to download your program & then upload it when saving to the host & that
takes 5 seconds or so. (5 seconds! remember when things took 5 minutes?)
Keith
Joe Walter wrote in message ...
Homer L. Hazel
I downloaded The Programmers File Editor you recommended some time ago. I
am always on the lookout for a nice editor to use with D3/NT. I read your
posting and saw the letters NT and thought it might work.
I'm probably getting stupid as I get older, but I was not able to get the
editor to locate any files within the D3/NT database to edit.
Is this something that only works with Universe NT??? The documentation
didn't even mention any type of Pick or Multi Value.
If not, could you or someone make some suggestions?
Thanks
Larry Hazel
Joe Walter <ja...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:l6A1OKvmxGcg5A...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:40:48 GMT, mha...@ccli.com wrote:
>
> >Hello everyone -
> >
> >I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a Windows-
> >based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
> >programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control functionality
> >isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
> >ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and have a
> >button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
> >
> <snip>
>
david_ro...@my-deja.com
In article <94317022...@mimbari.wyvern.com.au>,
"Keith Alderslade" <kei...@bmis.com.au> wrote:
> Wintegrate V4 has a full screen editor, WIN.EDIT, which is very nice -
> multiple windows for the same item, compile & run options, different
colours
> for commands & text etc, auto indenting, wp functions. Only drawback
that it
> has to download your program & then upload it when saving to the host
& that
> takes 5 seconds or so. (5 seconds! remember when things took 5
minutes?)
>
> Keith
>
> Joe Walter wrote in message ...
> >On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:40:48 GMT, mha...@ccli.com wrote:
> >
> >>Hello everyone -
> >>
> >>I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a
Windows-
> >>based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
> >>programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control
functionality
> >>isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
> >>ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and
have a
> >>button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
> >>
> ><snip>
>
>
Dave T
We have mainly V2 and one copy of V3 but I didn't know there was a version
4.
Tried the demo of wIntegrate 98 and thought it was as buggy as hell
(completely rewritten using MFC).
Keith Alderslade <kei...@bmis.com.au> wrote in message
news:94317022...@mimbari.wyvern.com.au...
Basil Fawlty
Because Universe holds it's programs in a direcotry rather than a hashed
file as D3/Pick does, it is easier for a windows editor to find and
manipulate the file.
IMO, I have never had the need to use a windwos editor to edit a Basic file,
after all, I am testing it in a character environment, so what benefit am I
going to get from using windows, as I would have to Alt tab to my terminal
emmulation to test the program.
I have been using a wonderful full screen editor developed by Kevin King
called ED+. It has all the functionality I require, cut & paste, buckets,
compile, execute, format, auto-indent, find replace, find, look again, print
(with or without line numbers) and then some. I can quite honestly say that
if I did not have this product, my productivity using ED would suck, (yeah,
boss, I know, it sucks already :-))
I have it working on AP (DOS, Pro, Unix,Native), Universe, Unidata, Prime
Information and D3.
Drop me a line @ Vic...@swbasics.com.au, and I will gladly send you a copy.
Homer L. Hazel wrote in message ...
>Joe,
>
>I downloaded The Programmers File Editor you recommended some time ago. I
>am always on the lookout for a nice editor to use with D3/NT. I read your
>posting and saw the letters NT and thought it might work.
>
>I'm probably getting stupid as I get older, but I was not able to get the
>editor to locate any files within the D3/NT database to edit.
>
>Is this something that only works with Universe NT??? The documentation
>didn't even mention any type of Pick or Multi Value.
>
>If not, could you or someone make some suggestions?
>
>Thanks
>
>Larry Hazel
>
>Joe Walter <ja...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:l6A1OKvmxGcg5A...@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:40:48 GMT, mha...@ccli.com wrote:
>>
>> >Hello everyone -
>> >
>> >I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a Windows-
>> >based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
>> >programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control functionality
>> >isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
>> >ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and have a
>> >button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
>> >
>> <snip>
>>
CWNoah2
I reviewed Kevin's ED+ some years ago, and if I hadn't already written my own
editor years before, I would certainly be using ED+. Kevin did a great job with
it, and I heartily recommend it.
Regards,
Charlie
"Basil Fawlty" <all...@hotmail.com> writes:
>Homer
>Because Universe holds it's programs in a direcotry rather than a >hashed file
as D3/Pick does, it is easier for a windows editor to find >and manipulate the
file.
>
>IMO, I have never had the need to use a windwos editor to edit a >Basic file,
after all, I am testing it in a character environment, so what >benefit am I
going to get from using windows, as I would have to Alt >tab to my terminal
emmulation to test the program.
>
>I have been using a wonderful full screen editor developed by Kevin >King
called ED+. It has all the functionality I require, cut & paste, >buckets,
compile, execute, format, auto-indent, find replace, find, look >again, print
(with or without line numbers) and then some. I can quite >honestly say that if
I did not have this product, my productivity using >ED would suck, (yeah,
boss, I know, it sucks already :-))
>
>I have it working on AP (DOS, Pro, Unix,Native), Universe, Unidata, >Prime
Information and D3.
>
>Drop me a line @ Vic...@swbasics.com.au, and I will gladly send >you a copy.
Charlie Noah (CWN...@aol.com)
david_ro...@my-deja.com
differentiate the name from the 16-bit version 3. The current release
would be described as wIntegrate 98 version 4.1.0. If/when version 3
gets dropped (not likely any time soon) we may drop the "98".
Buggy? BUGGY??! [sfx: spluttering] When did you try the demo
(evaluation?) More people now use wIntegrate 98 than version 3 and I'd
say it has been on the same level of reliability as version 3 for quite
a while. What problems did you have?
Thanks
David
(I manage development of wIntegrate)
In article <sLf_3.12337$JX3.29751@stones>,
"Dave T" <da...@travers.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> Is wIntegrate V4 the same as wIntegrate 98?
>
> We have mainly V2 and one copy of V3 but I didn't know there was a
version
> 4.
>
> Tried the demo of wIntegrate 98 and thought it was as buggy as hell
> (completely rewritten using MFC).
>
> Keith Alderslade <kei...@bmis.com.au> wrote in message
> news:94317022...@mimbari.wyvern.com.au...
> > Wintegrate V4 has a full screen editor, WIN.EDIT, which is very
nice -
> > multiple windows for the same item, compile & run options, different
> colours
> > for commands & text etc, auto indenting, wp functions. Only
drawback that
> it
> > has to download your program & then upload it when saving to the
host &
> that
> > takes 5 seconds or so. (5 seconds! remember when things took 5
minutes?)
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > Joe Walter wrote in message ...
> > >On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:40:48 GMT, mha...@ccli.com wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hello everyone -
> > >>
> > >>I was wondering if anyone could give some recommendations on a
Windows-
> > >>based text editor / development enviornment for developing basic
> > >>programs in the Universe NT enviornment? Source control
functionality
> > >>isn't a requirement becausing we're using MS VSS for that, but the
> > >>ability to hightlight functions and pop them up for editing, and
have a
> > >>button to be able to compile, and so on... What's out there?
> > >>
> > ><snip>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
vis...@my-deja.com
Funny you should say that! I have spent most of this morning struggling
with Wintegrate's import facility.
First of all is the limit on the size of text that the fields list can
handle. I know this has been a problem for some years now, so I am
surprised it hasnt been fixed yet! At least before you got an error
message. On v4.02 all I got was a very quick import, and then a message
in the imported file saying that there was no data to import! It took
me a while to figure out that it was the text size problem.
Secondly, I was importing via an isdn connection, so I got a few
timeouts. No big deal, wintegrate retried and seemed to carry on ok.
Except when I looked at the file, I saw a few instances of data
corruption (appeared to be parts of the data were missing). Again, it
took a while to figure out that it was the timeouts that were causing
the corruption. Why can't wintegrate handle timeouts/retries properly?
Dont get me wrong, I think wintegrate is a fairly good product, and is
usually reliable, but these two things did give me a hard time!
In article <81e69d$rrs$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Yoges
(this problem has been reported to ardent case-no 147666 and they have said
it will be fixed in the next release)
One of wintegrates great features WAS that previous versions could still run
with later versions of host software ..
A minor bug in the latest host transfer routines WIN.IMPORT and WIN.EXPORT
makes them incompatible in previous versions of wintegrate (specifically the
Formatting Information multivalues that are set)
Previous versions of wintegrate dont support these fields in the transfer
and they fall over with script errors.
BUT an easy fix is to do a version check before setting anything in OPTS<15>
and dont set OPTS<15> if you dont have 4.1
ALSO . in the WIN.EXPORT routine around line 84 someone forgot to set the
DUM variable to OPTS<15> before doing a check if it was null ... it would
be good to put this in...
--
Carl Keogh
Systems Administrator
Bristile Ltd
cke...@bristile.com.au
<david_ro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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david_ro...@my-deja.com
fundamental in wIntegrate. In fact we never make a release which
contains a known incompatibility with the scripts and host programs of
version 2.1 from 1993. From memory I'd say we receive backward-
compatibility issues on 4.x at the rate of less than one per month -
and they are now pretty obscure.
The issue you reported was caused by a new feature in the latest
version 4.1.0 (it was not present in 4.0.x). We didn't test this
feature with the version 2.x/3.x host programs. Sorry about that slip -
I hope we don't usually miss these things.
My records show that the case 147666 below was initiated on 10 November
and picked up by Anthony in Australia. After exchanging some fact-
finding emails with you he saw the problem and got a work-around to you
on 11 November. This was also reported to us in engineering on 11
November and we fixed the code the same day. Normally we'd email a fix
immediately but his had already been done.
We want to hear about any backward-compatility issues. And I'm very
happy to talk to anyone who thinks wIntegrate is buggy. We take great
pride in our work and we want you to be happy.
Best regards,
David
(responsible for wIntegrate development)
In article <81fell$86b$1...@yeppa.connect.com.au>,
Yoges
Thanks for your reply, I fully support Wintegrate and its added features
and one of the best advantages is that it comes with all the Host source
code and a fair bit of client script code as well. This has enabled us to
'look under the bonnet' of many wintegrate functions to find out how they
are being done and to fix / enhance any problems that we may have come
across (ie changing terminal definitions for local customization, trying to
get report viewer working with d3).
I was never provided with a work-around for the problem, in fact I provided
anthony with my work-around ( do I get paid for this ? :)...)
I don't really think wintegrate is buggy , just had a couple of bugs which
can be fixed/worked-around.
on another note:. The report viewer only works in universe, I have almost
got it working in d3, can you tell me what sort of line and value delimeters
are expected in the parser for report viewer ? ( or any header information)
.
I can get a preview of all the hold entries to display but when I go to
quick view or through to the next pages I dont get any fields parsed and end
up with part or none of the report imported. ?
--
Carl Keogh
Systems Administrator
Bristile Ltd
cke...@bristile.com.au
<david_ro...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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david_ro...@my-deja.com
Best regards,
David
In article <81i1a8$9k4$1...@yeppa.connect.com.au>,
Dave T
screen goes as small as possible. It crashes every time I tried.
2) When editing programs, it was sometimes inserting hidden return
characters (e.g ^013). This was with the new Windows Editor, which I really
like (apart from this sometimes annoying bug). Imports/exports in no time at
all using FTP and the colour coding helps a great deal when developing
programs.
I have downloaded the new version and it is slightly improved. Some of the
new features are a bit "gimmicky" e.g replacing an image for the background.
Cool at first, but the screen then takes ages to redraw and flickers a bit.
Ardent have themselves said how they cocked up when producing wIntegrate v4
in the readme. They distributed old version of the MFC libraries which when
installed caused newer programs not to function. Obviously they have to
extend their beta testing program.
Dave T <da...@travers.force9.co.uk> wrote in message
news:sLf_3.12337$JX3.29751@stones...
James Muir
medicine for your ailment. Sunergos Software has just released
HyperEDIT which is a fully integrated development envoronment
(IDE) for uniVerse and UniData. It uses the UniObjects API and
is fully GUI. It's also smart enough to link up with your
version control software via some user-define functions.
Best of all it's FREE! Just download an evaluation version at
www.sunergossoftware.com.
Good Luck!
James Muir
Sunergos Software
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