TOAD and the like
Ferran Foz
tool. Could you (yes, you!),
recommend me a tool like this (it does not matter if it's Shareware, Freeware,
Payware). Thank you very much.
By the way,
I'm looking for a tool that can help me in "Reverse enginner" dabatases. I'm
now working on a Oracle database that has not got the least Entity-Relation
(ship) diagrams and i'm going crazy.
Thanks
-- Ferran Foz mailto:ferra...@technologist.com
-- STE Consulting, SA http://www.ste.es
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Craig J.B.
The tool I like best is ERwin from Platinum Software. It is not a cheap
program,
though. It is fairly easy to learn and you can easily connect to virtually
all RDBMS's
and reverse engineer its ERD. Oracle Designer 2000 should be able to do
this as
well, though I have not worked with it before. Additionally, Designer 2000
will only
connect to an Oracle database (according to our DBA).
I've also worked with ERStudio version 4.0 from Embarcadero Software
(ES),
but it does not support all of the Oracle data types. According to ES, they
just
release ERStudio version 5.0 which is suppose to fully support Oracle 7.x
and 8.x.
Both ERwin and ERStudio have trial version of their software available
for
download from the Internet, but in order to get ERwin, you will need to call
then so
they can give you the hidden URL to download it. Additionally, they require
you to
complete a survey and either fax/email the survey to them before they will
give you
the unlock code for the program. Without the code, you can install the
trial, but you
can't run it. ERStudio v5.0 can be downloaded and used for 10 days before
you
are required to contact Embarcadero to get the unlock code to give you your
full 30
day trial.
Hope this helps.
Craig J.B.........
Ferran Foz wrote in message <7cm19i$d36$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Sequel Solutions
We have developed some interesting tools that might be interesting for you:
SQLTools:
Integrated server-side SQL
& PL/SQL development environment
for Oracle developers, easily
browsing the Oracle database,
programming and debugging
PL/SQL stored program units like
packages, procedures, functions,
database-triggers and so on.
SQLWord:
Advanced Reportwriter integrating
Oracle and Microsoft Word.
You can create your own
standardletters, contracts and any
other reports using the
data of an Oracle database within a
Microsoft Word document.
By placing the fieldnames (keywords)
of the queries in the text
of the document, SQLWord retrieves
the necessary data from
the Oracle database and integrates it
in the generated output
document. Nested structures can be used
unlimited (master-detail-detail
etc).
SQLTree:
SQLTree is an ActiveX component
that can be embedded
in a Forms50 application
for treeview presentation of
selected data from your
Oracle database. When the user
double-clicks on an item
in the tree-view, a form is opened
for presentation of more
detail-information.
We would like to invite you to have a look at our website www.sequel.nl and download the free trial software.
Sincerely,
Sequel Solutions
Thimal
Ferran Foz <ferra...@technologist.com> wrote:
> I've just discovered TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com) and it's really a POWER
> tool. Could you (yes, you!),
> recommend me a tool like this (it does not matter if it's Shareware, Freeware,
> Payware). Thank you very much.
Well, you can also try FROG, by PCSCC Software.... nice tool, freeware, with
source included.... behaves a lot like TOAD, actually, and is a very nice DBA
tool, with lots of features built in.... you can find it at www.pigeons.net
-> network software only drawback to this extremely powerful tool is that the
Delphi deployment kit is needed...
Hope this helps
Thimal
oracl...@hotmail.com
excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond to
them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
> We have developed some interesting tools that might be interesting for you:
I seriously doubt that. Users spread tools by word of mouth, not salesmen via
spam in newsgroups. And why do you always seem to attack messages promoting
toad? I've seen your product, it doesn't compare to toad in anyway.
> Ferran Foz wrote:
> > I've just discovered TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com) and it's really a POWER
> > tool. Could you (yes, you!),
Then Ferran, why don't you use it?
Mike Tarrani
didn't look very exciting. They should stick to tulips ...
oracl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Every week, akol...@sequel.nl searches for a message in this newsgroup as an
> excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond to
> them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
>
> > We have developed some interesting tools that might be interesting for you:
>
> I seriously doubt that. Users spread tools by word of mouth, not salesmen via
> spam in newsgroups. And why do you always seem to attack messages promoting
> toad? I've seen your product, it doesn't compare to toad in anyway.
>
> > Ferran Foz wrote:
> > > I've just discovered TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com) and it's really a POWER
> > > tool. Could you (yes, you!),
>
> Then Ferran, why don't you use it?
>
Pro
buying into TOAD.
KEEP OFF this group SEQUEL.
oracl...@hotmail.com wrote in message <7cqs80$g2n$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>Every week, akol...@sequel.nl searches for a message in this newsgroup as
an
>excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond
to
>them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
>
>> We have developed some interesting tools that might be interesting for
you:
>
>I seriously doubt that. Users spread tools by word of mouth, not salesmen
via
>spam in newsgroups. And why do you always seem to attack messages
promoting
>toad? I've seen your product, it doesn't compare to toad in anyway.
>
>> Ferran Foz wrote:
>> > I've just discovered TOAD (http://www.toadsoft.com) and it's really a
POWER
>> > tool. Could you (yes, you!),
>
>Then Ferran, why don't you use it?
>
>
>
>
Fuzzy
>Every week, akol...@sequel.nl searches for a message in this newsgroup as an
>excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond to
>them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
While you're at it, you better knock that "land of the free" bit out
of your national anthem ... can't have the whole country be sued for
false advertising now, can we?
:-)
Dr. Jan Dieckmann
engineering and shows master / detail relations in a very clear manner.
See http//www.keeptool.com for a free trial version of Hora 3.
best regards Jan Dieckmann (KeepTool GbR)
Mike Tarrani
for the information.
Satar
oracl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Every week, akol...@sequel.nl searches for a message in this newsgroup as an
> excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond to
> them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
Actually, it's probally the same person. For example, I would post from
Jo...@hotmail.com asking for a product that will help me create applications.
The next day, I will respond to my own post as akol...@sequelshit.nl
suggesting my own product/company.
That's what I call smart SPAM.
regards,
Satar
Oracle DBA/UNIX System Admin
"Opinions are the result of the voices in my head only,
and do not reflect my employer or Oracle Corporation."
oracl...@hotmail.com
skeptical. Installed using the default options. Saw the Borland Database
Engine files fly by and wanted to barf. Almost rebooted the system in
mid-install. Still looked the tool over though before uninstalling it. It
looked ok. Not nearly as functional or as polished as some of the other tools
available (Navigator or Toad) and certainly not as cheap as Toad. The severe
bloat is a major problem for this tool. I prefer to use tools I can leave at
client sites knowing that they can also use them. If a tool requires ODBC or
the BDE, you can assume that clients will never figure them out.
> Just downloaded Hora3 and did some playing around. Excellent tool! Thanks
> for the information.
>
> "Dr. Jan Dieckmann" wrote:
>
> > Have a look at the tool Hora 3 too. Hora 3 is great for reverse
> > engineering and shows master / detail relations in a very clear manner.
> > See http//www.keeptool.com for a free trial version of Hora 3.
Steve Cosner
After reading your howl at Sequel Solutions, I became curious, and
looked into a little posting history in Deja News. I see that most of
your posts are ones cheering on TOAD, and flaming anything else that
might be a useful Oracle tool.
I also noted that Arthur Kolman, in addition to promoting his own
product, offers helpful answers and suggestions to other questions in
this newsgroup. He seems to be actually contributing to the Oracle
community's general knowledge base while putting in some occasional
"why don't you try my product" suggestions.
To the contrary, your posts seem to have the tone of "TOAD is the only
tool anyone should be using".
Now I would ask the question: Where's the Beef? All I see from you
is complaints, or TOAD promotions, but nothing else.
Steve Cosner
http://members.aol.com/stevec5088
In article <7cqs80$g2n$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, <oracl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Every week, akol...@sequel.nl searches for a message in this newsgroup as an
>excuse to paste in an entire file advertising their tools. PLEASE respond to
>them and ask them to stop. I've done so twice and yet they continue.
>
>> We have developed some interesting tools that might be interesting for you:
<snip>
pud...@yahoo.com
> I also noted that Arthur Kolman, in addition to promoting his own
> product, offers helpful answers and suggestions to other questions in
> this newsgroup. He seems to be actually contributing to the Oracle
> community's general knowledge base while putting in some occasional
> "why don't you try my product" suggestions.
Sir, I did my own research and Mr Kolman's postings were negligible.
Your defence of the blatant spam by Squeal Solutions is itself indefensible
and fraught with logic problems. It is irrelevant what vendors may otherwise
post, they may not post pure SPAM. Advertising of ANY nature is pure spam.
One can not buy a ticket to place spam in newsgroups by also posting
relevant, on-topic messages.
Mr Dieckmann of KeepTool also plugs his Hora tool regularly but the ONLY
thing that keeps me from getting terribly upset about his postings is that
they are always simply "why don't you take a look at Hora at aaa.kkkk.com".
In contrast, Squeal Solutions regularly -- not merely on occasion as you
implied -- posts HUGE advertising in this and other forums each and every
week. That is in flagrant violation of netiquette.
As for "actually contributing to the Oracle community," not one man has done
more for the Oracle community than has the author of TOAD. Working
extraordinary hours to develop and support a product used by countless
developers and DBA's with virtually no reward. I have myself reported a bug
only to have a fix the next day. Yet, he hamstrung a commercial venture by
continuing a freeware version of the commercial software (see a post in this
forum this morning on that issue). He deserves any and all support users are
willing to provide.
I will also continue to protest SPAM in this newsgroup (or any newsgroup),
both to those who place it and directly in this forum to ensure that each
spam is followed by masses of outraged emails. Maybe then these people will
cease. I agree with Oracle Man on another point, if these tools were of ANY
use whatsoever, they would not require such shameless pitching. The one good
thing about these threads is that they are undoubtedly having a negative
effect on the product reputations of these vendors.
> To the contrary, your posts seem to have the tone of "TOAD is the only
> tool anyone should be using".
Obviously, you haven't yet tried Toad. The only tools that compare are much
more expensive and very much larger.
pud...@yahoo.com
> looked ok. Not nearly as functional or as polished as some of the other tools
> available (Navigator or Toad) and certainly not as cheap as Toad. The severe
> bloat is a major problem for this tool. I prefer to use tools I can leave at
> client sites knowing that they can also use them. If a tool requires ODBC or
> the BDE, you can assume that clients will never figure them out.
Using a development tool that requires the Borland Database Engine is very
risky business since the future of Borland is in doubt. One release of
Oracle or SqlNet and you are .s.o.l. Bloat and performance degradation are
also other problems associated with the BDE. Yet I can't think of any other
developer tool that requires a database engine.
toadman
use one is inevitably going to think the one we personally use is the
best. But the truth is that we each use tools in slightly different
ways. We are accustomed to different interfaces. We either like
Sql*Plus or we loath it. We want gui hand-holding or we don't. The
best tool for YOU might not be the best tool for ME. The truly "best"
tool is the one that is best for each user.
It's one thing to recommend your favorite tool but it's possible to do
so without bashing other tools which might not operate exactly as the
one you prefer. Let's not turn enthusiasm for a piece of software into
a religious war.
Ultimately, every Oracle developer should try out every tool and wring
it out. Does it work the way you want to work or do you have to adapt
to the way IT wants to work? Then stick with the one that fits.
Ken Halsted
I appreciate the help you given me in the group but I have to agree with
Toadman and pudgy4. I really liked what the Toad-mister said about everyone
using the tools that fit THEIR specific needs. There have been times where
I'd be lost without Toad and other times I just want to crank up SQL*Plus
real quick. I've also used SQL*Navigator by Quest (who bought Toad) by the
way and I didn't really like it near as good, honest. I think some people
would like SQL*Navigator better and some wouldn't. I liked Toad so much, I
bought 10 seats for it a few months back. Each developer here likes it
alot, but none as much as me.
I'm sure there are a lot of other good tools out there and I hope people
keep writing about them as much as they want. I might find something else
that is a "must have" product.
I hope so,
KenMan.
P.S. by the way, Mr. Toadman, how can I get my help file in Toad to work.
Ever since I bought the Quest version, my help file is gone or messed up.
If I click on Help, Contents, I get a message saying, the Topic does not
exist.
Steve Cosner <ste...@zimmer.csufresno.edu> wrote in message
news:7d3s0l$b7c$1...@nntp.csufresno.edu...
> Dear Mr. Oracle_Man, whoever you are:
>
> After reading your howl at Sequel Solutions, I became curious, and
> looked into a little posting history in Deja News. I see that most of
> your posts are ones cheering on TOAD, and flaming anything else that
> might be a useful Oracle tool.
>
<snip>
Steve Chapman
>Ever since I bought the Quest version, my help file is gone or messed up.
>If I click on Help, Contents, I get a message saying, the Topic does not
>exist.
is your toad.hlp in the same folder as your toad.exe?
what version of toad are you using?
steve