Licencing terms for students?
Paulie
Hi all,
I would like to know under what conditions that I
(a 4th year undergraduate student at Trinity College
Dublin, Ireland) student may (or may not) use Oracle
database products for a degree project?
The intended use is for a project which will not
continue past June 2010. The project will not be
deployed to the public nor commercially and no fees
of any sort will be charged to anyone who does use
it - use will be restricted to fellow students (testing)
and staff (grading).
I would be grateful if anyone could clarify Oracle's
position on such use of its database products.
TIA and rgs.
Paul...
The Boss
What you probably want is the Oracle Database Express Edition.
Here is a nice article on version 10g (I don't think 11g is
available):
http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/cunningham-database-xe.html
HTH.
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Jeroen
Paulie
> > I would like to know under what conditions that I
> > (a 4th year undergraduate student at Trinity College
> > Dublin, Ireland) student may (or may not) use Oracle
> > database products for a degree project?
> What you probably want is the Oracle Database Express Edition.
> Here is a nice article on version 10g (I don't think 11g is
> available):http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/cunningham-database-xe....
I should have mentioned that I am not interested in XE - I know about
it and it doesn't meet my requirements.
Thanks for your input.
Rgs,
Paul...
> Jeroen
joel garry
What are your requirements? It's sounding like you are deploying it
in a way that you need a license. There is a licensing manual, and
you have to agree to a license when you download anything. Be sure
and ask your college if they already have a license appropriate for
what you want to do.
From the standard license: "If you use the application you develop
under this license for any internal data processing or for any
commercial or production purposes, or you want to use the programs for
any purpose other than as permitted under this agreement, you must
obtain a production release version of the program by contacting us or
an Oracle reseller to obtain the appropriate license." See,
commercial _or_ production - your use certainly sounds like
production.
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/index.html
http://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/license.102/b14199/editions.htm
http://www.orafaq.com/wiki/Oracle_Licensing
http://www.oracle.com/corporate/license/agreements.html
Of course, there may be other things I don't know about, if I were
Oracle, I'd want to support students.
XE is pretty powerful on modern hardware, what limitation do you
expect to run into?
jg
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Paulie
Hi, thanks for your input.
> See, commercial _or_ production - your use certainly sounds like
> production.
It's neither production nor commercial - it's a student test app.
It most certainly will not be "deployed" in any meaningful sense,
unless a few students and a couple of lecturers/professors
counts as deployment.
> Of course, there may be other things I don't know about, if I were
> Oracle, I'd want to support students.
So would I.
> XE is pretty powerful on modern hardware, what limitation do you
> expect to run into?
Java in the database? Size restrictions?
Paul...
> jg
Tim X
the first thing I'd do is check that your University doesn't already
have an Oracle license you can use. Many of the Universities I've done
work at have pretty generous licensing terms with Oracle.
The second thing I'd do is contact Oracle. Their licensing basically
says you have to have a license if you plan to use what you develop in a
commercial or production situation. While the 'commercial' is fairly
easy to define, 'production' is a bit more cryptic. I suspect if you
explain your requirements, emphasize its a student research project and
not being used as part of the University's 'core business', they will
probably say your covered by the provisions for developers and allow you
to use it without licensing fees. Possibly offer them copies of your
thesis or any papers you get published. Maybe even try sweetening the
pot by saying your qiling to acknowledge Oracle in your
thesis/publications or possibly agree to a blurb along the lines "This
research was made possible through the generous contributions of Oracle
blah blah ...
One thing I have learnt when ealing with Oracle is don't accept the
first ruling/decision you get if its not satisfactory. Contact them
again the next day and hope you get a different sales person. My
experience has been that doing this can dramatically reduce licensing
costs. Tjere is some 'rubber' in their costings and enough vague
definitions that once you get a sympathetic sales rep, it can make a big
difference.
When we moved to RAC, the initial quote for licensing was a bit of a
shock. After I'd digested things for a week or so and called back again,
I got a different person. He wa a lot more on the ball and identified
quite a few Oracle components we were licensing that either we were not
really using or would not be necessary with a RAC environment. Once we
recieved credits for all of that, the increase in cost was
minimal. Things improved even more when they found out IBM was really
trying to sell to us.
Tim
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Paulie
On Nov 14, 6:25 am, Tim X <t...@nospam.dev.null> wrote:
> > I would like to know under what conditions that I
> > (a 4th year undergraduate student at Trinity College
> > Dublin, Ireland) student may (or may not) use Oracle
> > database products for a degree project?
> the first thing I'd do is check that your University doesn't already
> have an Oracle license you can use. Many of the Universities I've done
> work at have pretty generous licensing terms with Oracle.
I've done that - they do have an Entreprise Server available for
students, but I wouldn't have the flexibility to be the DBA for
my own database, so that's out the window for a start.
> The second thing I'd do is contact Oracle.
I've sent their Irish office an email.
> Possibly offer them copies of your
> thesis or any papers you get published. Maybe even try sweetening the
> pot by saying your qiling to acknowledge Oracle in your
> thesis/publications or possibly agree to a blurb along the lines "This
> research was made possible through the generous contributions of Oracle
> blah blah ...
Good thinking - I didn't put that sort of blurb in my first email, if
I do send a second one, I'll be sure to smother them in it!!!
> One thing I have learnt when ealing with Oracle is don't accept the
> first ruling/decision you get if its not satisfactory.
Also a good idea - and not one that is intuitively obvious to the
average Joe on the street - one tends to think of large corporations
as monoliths - if I do get a first refusal, I might find a "different
gal"
to "dance" with me later on...
You're a bonzer bloke!
Paul...
> Tim
Frank van Bortel
Download any database from otn.oracle.com, and read the license.
It's free and completely functional for educational use.
Of course, educating others is regarded commercial.
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Regards,
Frank van Bortel
Frank van Bortel
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Oh - and deal in a couple of months (if you can wait that long);
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