rant - does oracle know how to design a website?
gs
for that matter. Make it as frustratingly clunky and user unfriendly as
humanly (or not) possible, and support calls will go down, along with
that "unsatisfied" support calls. I know for me it is a last resort
after I have exhausted all other avenues.
Case in point - we are installing 11G on a windows 2003 server, the
database is going to be spatial and the vendor doesn't support (for
reasons known only to them) windows 2008 yet. Anyway, thats not my
point.. I'm trying to find out if 11G R1 is certified on Windows 2003 64
bit R2, so I go to the 11G database page to view the certification
matrix like I always do (did) Ah, here is the link, on the downloads
page for the database, right where it says "Review the certification
matrix for this product here." But wait, clicking on the link brings up
a page saying all certification information is now on My Oracle
Support website.. Ok, go to my support page, enter in "11G windows
certification matrix" - what do I get? A list of 8 or so options, on
about generic connectivity on windows or linux 64 bit platforms,
something about what platforms oracle messaging gateway is available on,
and a real relevant one: "Oracle� Database on Unix
AIX�,HP-UX�,Linux�,Mac OS� X,Solaris�,Tru64 Unix� Operating Systems
(Customer Recommended)"
So, play with search terms a bit, I get links on installing 8i on
windows NT, a windows 98/ME certification article, running 9i on windows
2000 etc etc etc..
Lot's of information on patchsets etc., but 10 minutes later I still
can't find an 11G windows certification matrix.
Who designs this infrastructure? Do they think all the cool
sliding/expanding/contracting menus and various error pages are what
people want??
Anyway, at least I feel better now, back to looking, give it another 5
minutes them I'm logging an SR..
Wish me luck
Shakespeare
Did you notice: "TIP: Click 'Tips for Finding Certifications' for search
tips"
So : A tip for a place to get tips. WOW!
See:
or shorthanded:
Shakespeare
Shakespeare
Sorry, even deep links don't work on MySupShort....
Shakespeare
Shakespeare
Enter the first 5 entries (database, database, database, enterprise
edition, 11gr2) and your platform (first enty only) and you get a result
('planned')
Shakespeare
gazzag
<snip>
> Anyway, at least I feel better now, back to looking, give it another 5
> minutes them I'm logging an SR..
5 minutes?!?
> Wish me luck
Good luck with that! :)
-g
gs
>>>
>>> Wish me luck
>>
>> Did you notice: "TIP: Click 'Tips for Finding Certifications' for search
>> tips"
>>
>> So : A tip for a place to get tips. WOW!
>>
>> See:
>>
>> https://support.oracle.com/CSP/ui/flash.html#tab=Certification(page=Certification&id=g5fgutcu()),(page=CertificationSearch&id=g5fh4mcp())
>>
>>
>>
>> or shorthanded:
>>
>> http://bit.ly/certified2003
>>
>> Shakespeare
>
> Sorry, even deep links don't work on MySupShort....
>
> Shakespeare
Been there, done that - I get a page full of mostly irrelevant
information, and a tip to click on "more" then "certifications", which
refreshes the screen that just made the suggestion. logged a TAR, didn't
see the suggestion come up, maybe I'll start another one and try it
again.. incidentally - could you find the cert matrix for 11g on 2003
server?
gs
tried that, get page with 0 results, which means either they cant find
anything or 11GR1 isn't supported on windows 2003 64..
back to my original point - what was wrong with the old matrix you could
get on the download page while you were there? This new support page is
ok with SR's (finally) but if you are searching for something you get
the impression that the sites search engine was designed by someone that
just discovered the joys of flash and crystal meth - at the same time..
Terry Dykstra
Well, if I read doc 454506.1 correctly, I states that 11.1.0.6 is available
on Windows 64bit (AMD64/EM64T)
See also 161549.1 and 343737.1
--
Terry Dykstra
John Hurley
snip
> I think I see the method behind the new metalink, or "my oracle support"
> for that matter. Make it as frustratingly clunky and user unfriendly as
> humanly (or not) possible, and support calls will go down, along with
> that "unsatisfied" support calls. I know for me it is a last resort
> after I have exhausted all other avenues.
That has not changed recently whether you used the old metalink or the
new variety unfortunately.
gs
first 4 (drop) fields in the search criteria and ignore the next 7,
leave all the tiers checked (default) otherwise I'd likely get a return
of 0 rows.(which is what happened) Anyway, that worked.
I found out that I could actually populate the 5th drop and it would
work 50% of the time, and if I picked the 6th drop field and it was
exactly the same value of the 5th it would also sometimes work. Filling
out only the first four works though, and I guess scrolling throught
dozens of results for the one you want is preferable to nothing at all..
Shakespeare
This is what I got:
Product Version Tier Platform Platform Version Status Tier Product Tier
Product Version
11gR1 Server Microsoft Windows x64 (64-bit) XP
11gR1 Server Microsoft Windows x64 (64-bit) Vista
11gR1 Server Microsoft Windows x64 (64-bit) 2008
11gR1 Server Microsoft Windows x64 (64-bit) 2003
all with status 'certified' (even the "copy table" function is
malfunctioning...)
Shakespeare
Matthias Hoys
"gs" <g...@gs.com> wrote in message news:SDWbn.62938$Db2.43303@edtnps83...
Recently I was looking for the latest patch set for APEX - but the search on
MOS always returned zero results.
Luckily, I could find the patch set number on a blog and I entered that one
directly - now the patch set did show up. Hail to the blogs!!!
Matthias
gs
I wasn't trying to imply that the info I needed wasn't there, but the
hoops one has to jump through to find something simple is simply
ridiculous IMHO - for example filling out the first x number of fields
in a search box and ignoring the rest, because even filling them out
correctly yields 0 rows returned.
I was looking for apex download last week, I got tired of searching
Oracle's site and googled it instead and had it in one hit, it pointed
me straight to oracles download page whereas a search from within
Oracle.com for "apex download" brought up pages and pages of documents
and other things that had nothing to do with what I wanted.
vsevolod afanassiev
Shakespeare
> Yes, the page is awful, my metalink usage is 5% of what it used to be
I agree. Even the "back" key does't work like it should.
By the way (bit off topic): did anyone notice the emerging usage of
"'" on websites? And how IE8 does not understand this?
Shakespeare
mhoys
> By the way (bit off topic): did anyone notice the emerging usage of
> "'" on websites? And how IE8 does not understand this?
>
> Shakespeare
I was not really aware of this problem until now (mainly using
Firefox) but indeed, I could reproduce this on IE8.
It appears that this was already a problem in IE7. This is what I
found as explanation:
"The named character reference ' (the apostrophe, U+0027) was
introduced in XML 1.0 but does not appear in HTML. Authors should
therefore use ' instead of ' to work as expected in HTML 4
user agents."
So, Internet Exploder is more correct than Firefox?
Matthias
Shakespeare
>
>> By the way (bit off topic): did anyone notice the emerging usage of
>> "'" on websites? And how IE8 does not understand this?
>>
>> Shakespeare
>
> I was not really aware of this problem until now (mainly using
> Firefox) but indeed, I could reproduce this on IE8.
> It appears that this was already a problem in IE7. This is what I
> found as explanation:
>
> introduced in XML 1.0 but does not appear in HTML. Authors should
> user agents."
>
> So, Internet Exploder is more correct than Firefox?
>
> Matthias
>
This time it is more strict. Unforunately, I use dbms_xmlparser to parse
some RSS feeds and they contain a lot of these codes. Replacing them via
an XSLT does not work, they get back in again, because this package
translates ' back to "'". If I use ` in the xslt, it works fine
(but shows all apostrophes like this, which is hardly noticeable for end
users).
Shakespeare
Bob Jones
"gs" <g...@gs.com> wrote in message news:Vg1cn.63008$Db2.46115@edtnps83...
I am surprised it took you that long to realize that. The new Metalink has
sucked for a while. It is slower and sometimes hangs or just gives an error
pop-up.
They should just go back to classic Metalink. It is easier to navigate and
less confusing.
Vladimir M. Zakharychev
> "gs" <g...@gs.com> wrote in messagenews:Vg1cn.63008$Db2.46115@edtnps83...
> > Matthias Hoys wrote:
> >> "gs" <g...@gs.com> wrote in messagenews:SDWbn.62938$Db2.43303@edtnps83...
Hehe. Expected reaction to exemplary violation of the KISS
principle. :) Too bad software designers seem to have forgotten (or
simply didn't learn) it...
Regards,
Bob
joel garry
Maybe if using flash borked the sail on Larry's boat he would notice.
jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/08/wind-lose-or-awe/
Frank van Bortel
Who uses IE*, then?
Go Iron...
--
Regards, Frank van Bortel
Topposting in Usenet groups I regard as offensive - I will not reply
Shakespeare
> Shakespeare wrote:
>> Op 9-2-2010 7:02, vsevolod afanassiev schreef:
>>> Yes, the page is awful, my metalink usage is 5% of what it used to be
>>
>> I agree. Even the "back" key does't work like it should.
>> By the way (bit off topic): did anyone notice the emerging usage of
>> "'" on websites? And how IE8 does not understand this?
>>
>> Shakespeare
>
> Who uses IE*, then?
> Go Iron...
Unfortunately, I can't tell my clients which web browser they should
use, and about 78% use IE. (I could tell them, but they may have no
choice in office or class environments)
And a sign "Designed for anything but IE" is no option either.
Shakespeare