Ooh, scary!

joel garry

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May 30, 2012, 5:48:48 PM5/30/12

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Props to Tim Gorman for the SCTV reference:

http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/30/heres-johnny-skysql-raises-another-2-5m-to-give-oracle-nightmares/

http://planet.mysql.com/entry/?id=33409

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at buzztime. The answer to the question was "Database" lol

Mladen Gogala

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May 31, 2012, 10:29:01 AM5/31/12

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On Wed, 30 May 2012 14:48:48 -0700, joel garry wrote:

> Props to Tim Gorman for the SCTV reference:
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/30/heres-johnny-skysql-raises-
another-2-5m-to-give-oracle-nightmares/
>
> http://planet.mysql.com/entry/?id=33409
>
> jg

Open Source databases don't have the capabilities or the support options
necessary to become a serious alternative to Oracle. I once looked at
Postgres but it turned out that it's probably the worst of the possible
alternatives.
If someone wants to replace Oracle, commercial databases are the only
game in town. DB2 for Linux is more than two times cheaper than Oracle,
but IBM wasn't very serious about selling it and supporting it in the
past. The latest version, available for a month or so is DB2 v10 and
there are some mixed signals. On one hand, there is quite a number of
books available and it is available for free for the home use but, on the
other hand, it is almost impossible to locate a price list on the IBM
site. If IBM gets serious about mass selling DB2 on Linux, it would be
the nightmare that Oracle should be very afraid of. MySQL is very far
technologically from commercial databases like Oracle or DB2, and so is
the rest of the open source database pack.

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joel garry

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May 31, 2012, 12:01:30 PM5/31/12

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1985 - MVS and VMS are the only games in town.
1995 - unix is the only game in town, free software is very far
technologically from commercial operating systems.
2005 - linux and Windows are the only game in town...
2015 - cloud is the only game raining down.

Of course, a silly oversimplification, but you get the idea.
Eventually, it's some combination of the apps and the marketing milieu
that rule. Commercial databases are what economists call economically
obsolete - kind of the opposite of technologically obsolete, but what
we might call mature technology. The immature technologies are where
the risk and return are, so people specializing in startups have to
downplay the risk and fluff the return. You wind up with silly
statements like Oracle would even care, much less have nightmares,
about some startup involving the people they've already acquired the
tech from.

I wonder what happened to the comment I put on the techcrunch article
with my facebook login? Sheeeeitttt....

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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57443942-92/ellison-oracles-cloud-will-cast-a-shadow-over-enterprise-software-world/

Mark D Powell

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May 31, 2012, 3:09:15 PM5/31/12

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"they plan to put in place a Cloud based product (yes, they will turn into a platform startup) which will gradually take on the heavy lifting and provide an alternative migration path to people who don’t want Oracle."

I will believe it when I see the product.

-- Mark D Powell --

joel garry

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May 31, 2012, 4:20:24 PM5/31/12

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On May 31, 12:09 pm, Mark D Powell <Mark.Powe...@hp.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 5:48:48 PM UTC-4, joel garry wrote:
> > Props to Tim Gorman for the SCTV reference:
>

> >http://techcrunch.com/2012/05/30/heres-johnny-skysql-raises-another-2...

>
> >http://planet.mysql.com/entry/?id=33409
>
> > jg
> > --
> > @home.com is bogus.
> > Y0u 4r3 50 900d 47 7r1\/14, 17 b10w5 my m1|\|d - my 133t h4x0r badge
> > at buzztime. The answer to the question was "Database" lol
>
> "they plan to put in place a Cloud based product (yes, they will turn into a platform startup) which will gradually take on the heavy lifting and provide an alternative migration path to people who don’t want Oracle."
>
> I will believe it when I see the product.
>
> -- Mark D Powell --

For just a $million, I'll set up a portal to http://aws.amazon.com/rds/
O:-)

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TheBoss

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May 31, 2012, 5:50:33 PM5/31/12

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Mladen Gogala <gogala...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:pan.2012.05...@gmail.com:

I will refrain from talking about the benefits of DB2 here, but as you
mentioned having difficulties finding list prices, here is how you can
find them for DB2 (LUW):
- go to the product page here:
http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/linux-unix-windows/

- here you can choose which edition you're interested in, let's assume
you want the Enterprise Server Edition (ESE). Click on the appropriate
link and you will get to the following page:
http://www.ibm.com/software/data/db2/linux-unix-windows/edition-
enterprise.html

- in the right hand column, you will notice a green button labeled:
"View US prices & buy". Just hit it, and you will get a pricelist.

You will notice it has several prices depending on license type.
Here you will find more info on IBM license types (not specific to DB2):
http://www.ibm.com/software/lotus/passportadvantage/about_software_licen
sing.html

HTH

Cheers!

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Mladen Gogala

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May 31, 2012, 6:22:30 PM5/31/12

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On Thu, 31 May 2012 21:50:33 +0000, TheBoss wrote:

> - in the right hand column, you will notice a green button labeled:
> "View US prices & buy". Just hit it, and you will get a pricelist.

Yes, that's the button I refused to use. I was expecting a price list. I
am considering downloading DB2 Express and testing it out. I've heard a
lot of good things about DB2 v10, from the people I trust.

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Mladen Gogala

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Jun 4, 2012, 7:15:38 PM6/4/12

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On Thu, 31 May 2012 09:01:30 -0700, joel garry wrote:

> 1985 - MVS and VMS are the only games in town.
> 1995 - unix is the only game in town, free software is very far
> technologically from commercial operating systems.
> 2005 - linux and Windows are the only game in town...
> 2015 - cloud is the only game raining down.

2020: Cloud is internally running zOS. I sincerely hope so. Linux is a
piece of s....something.

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TheBoss

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Jun 4, 2012, 7:30:41 PM6/4/12

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Mladen Gogala <gogala...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:pan.2012.06...@gmail.com:

2020??

How about these?

2012:
http://www.musicaneo.com/sheetmusic/sm-107145
_life_is_just_a_bowl_of_cherries.html
[In German, but that's noa problem for you, I guess ;-) ]

2011:
http://cloudcomputing.sys-con.com/node/1895891

2010:
http://www.slideshare.net/connieg10/system-z-cloud-atlanta

Timeless:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/solutions/cloud/index.html

Sorry, couldn't resist ;-)

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Mladen Gogala

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Jun 4, 2012, 10:07:35 PM6/4/12

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And, once again, the whole world will run on IBM. Brain, what are we
gonna to tonight?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJPFSNu_QNs

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