oracle beginners
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Cheers
Sean
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Before you buy.
Sybrand Bakker
Before thou bore the group to death, thou shalst read the Holy Manual.
Thou shalst also observe the following distinction
Any question about Oracle itself, including products like sqlloader should
go .server, *not* to all 3 newsgroups
Any question about developer and designer should go .tools, *not* to all 3
newsgroups.
Any question about third party products to .misc, *not* to all 3
newsgroups.
Thou shalst also always specify thine version and thine operating system
These are the three Commandments in posting to any Oracle newsgroup, in
order to provide your question is responded. Obvious FLA questions might go
ignored.
Regards,
Sybrand Bakker, Oracle DBA
<sean_g...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Brad Strong
is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program, but
keep a little perspective.
This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a means
to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
Warm Regards,
Brad Strong
Application Engineer
"Sybrand Bakker" <pos...@sybrandb.demon.nl> wrote in message
news:971288729.6856....@news.demon.nl...
Norman Dunbar
From: Brad Strong [mailto:brad....@autodesk.com]
>> Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy
Manual", there
>> is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
This surely applies only to Christians. Agnostics, Muslims, etc don't
regard the bible as anything other than blasphemy against *their*
personal beliefs. To me, the bible is just another book, albeit
(probably) the best selling book on the planet, but just a book. (You of
course have a totally different view, and are entitled to it.)
If your religion is Oracle (silly example) then the manuals *could* be
referred to as Holy to you only, but not to others of differing beliefs.
The one thing I find repulsive about religion is it incessant
need/want/desire to be 'the only' religion forsaking all other beliefs.
Where, for example, does it say in the bible that 'thou shalt go forth
and murder the non-Christians' as was prevalent during the Crusades etc.
Other holy books have a similar non-appearance of such rules (I am told
by people better informed than me) but still we see religious fighting
all over the world.
As Frank Zappa once said, religion has killed more people than it has
saved.
Nice to see someone stick up for their religious beliefs though.
Sincere regards, Norman.
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Norman.
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Walter T Rejuney
> Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy Manual", there
> is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
>
> You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program, but
> keep a little perspective.
>
> This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
> really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a means
> to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
We don't need religious fanaticism on this NG. On top of that you are also
wrong.
Jerome Gransac
Sorry for this but it bothers me.
Brad Strong wrote:
> Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy Manual", there
> is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
>
> You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program, but
> keep a little perspective.
>
> This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
> really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a means
> to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
>
Brad Strong
avoid calling books about Oracle, a database program, Holy. And, if I'm
wrong about what Oracle is, feel free to enlighten me.
Best Regards,
Brad
"Walter T Rejuney" <Blu...@Unforgetable.com> wrote in message
news:39E5B126...@Unforgetable.com...
> Brad Strong wrote:
>
> > Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy Manual",
there
> > is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
> >
> > You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program,
but
> > keep a little perspective.
> >
> > This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
> > really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a
means
> > to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
>
Brad Strong
No, haven't smoked anything for years. Simply asking that we keep technology
and spirituality separate.
Interesting imagination you have, though.
Regards,
Brad
"Jerome Gransac" <jgra...@kedros.com> wrote in message
news:39E5B266...@kedros.com...
> Are you smoking sheets, fitted carpet or something like that ?
>
>
> Sorry for this but it bothers me.
>
> Brad Strong wrote:
>
> > Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy Manual",
there
> > is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
> >
> > You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program,
but
> > keep a little perspective.
> >
> > This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
> > really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a
means
> > to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
> >
Brad Strong
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Of course men have done horrible things in
the name of religion,
but please don't blame Christianity for those who have used it as a means to
harm and persecute others.
Pure Christianity is still based upon loving God and one's neighbor - I am
much kinder than I used to be -
yet we will always have those who will use a good thing for evil. I don't
expect to convert anyone here,
actually I'm interested in Oracle.
Sincerely,
Brad Strong
"Norman Dunbar" <ndu...@lynxfinancialsystems.co.uk> wrote in message
news:94690301E74BD311B7F...@apps.lynx-fsc.co.uk...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brad Strong [mailto:brad....@autodesk.com]
>
> >> Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy
> Manual", there
> >> is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
>
> This surely applies only to Christians. Agnostics, Muslims, etc don't
> regard the bible as anything other than blasphemy against *their*
> personal beliefs. To me, the bible is just another book, albeit
> (probably) the best selling book on the planet, but just a book. (You of
> course have a totally different view, and are entitled to it.)
>
> If your religion is Oracle (silly example) then the manuals *could* be
> referred to as Holy to you only, but not to others of differing beliefs.
>
> The one thing I find repulsive about religion is it incessant
> need/want/desire to be 'the only' religion forsaking all other beliefs.
> Where, for example, does it say in the bible that 'thou shalt go forth
> and murder the non-Christians' as was prevalent during the Crusades etc.
> Other holy books have a similar non-appearance of such rules (I am told
> by people better informed than me) but still we see religious fighting
> all over the world.
>
> As Frank Zappa once said, religion has killed more people than it has
> saved.
>
> Nice to see someone stick up for their religious beliefs though.
>
>
> Sincere regards, Norman.
Norman Dunbar
as far as I can gather, I wasn't blaming Christianity, merely stating
that Religion (in every shape & form) is responsible for much of man's
inhumanity. Probably, more than any other reason.
Check out Israel at this moment, for example. Some Jews *visited* an
Arab 'holy' site (there's that word again) and all hell broke loose. Why
?????
I was also pointing out that to *you*, the Bible *is* holy, but to *me*
the bible is another book.
Maybe, Sybrand has Oracle as his religion, and to *him* the manual *is*
holy.
I don't 'force' (for want of a better word) others to adhere to my
beliefs in what is holy or otherwise, and I prefer others to treat
people the same way.
I accept that you have your religious beliefs, and others have theirs,
but (to me) jumping on someone else's use of a word (for that is all
that it is) becuase it is disaproved of in one's beliefs should be
frowned upon.
I don't expect you to convert anyone here either. I suspect people have
their beliefs whether they are Christian, Jews, Muslims of Satanists.
Each to their own.
Regards, Norman.
PS. I'm interested in Oracle too :o)
PPS. Did you know that the Vatican Library has the second largest
collection of pornographic material in the world ? The British Library
has the biggest :o)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Strong [mailto:brad....@autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Oracle beginners (a bit off topic)
sean_g...@my-deja.com
create tables etc; is there not a GUI that does the same. Yes I have
been reviewing 'The Manual' (Holy or Otherwise) and I have used MS SQL
6.5 and access a lot. But thought its time to grow up and try oracle!
Sean
In article <CUjF5.565$rW.2...@den-news1.rmi.net>,
"Brad Strong" <brad....@autodesk.com> wrote:
> Jerome,
> No, haven't smoked anything for years. Simply asking that we keep
technology
> and spirituality separate.
>
> Interesting imagination you have, though.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brad
>
> "Jerome Gransac" <jgra...@kedros.com> wrote in message
> news:39E5B266...@kedros.com...
> > Are you smoking sheets, fitted carpet or something like that ?
> >
> >
> > Sorry for this but it bothers me.
> >
> > Brad Strong wrote:
> >
> > > Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy
Manual",
> there
> > > is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
> > >
TurkBear
Check out dba studio from the 8.1.6 client software..
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Brad Strong
I understand where you're at. And, no, I did not know the Vatican library
had the
largest collection of porn in the world. Of course, we live in a twisted
world.
Best Regards,
Brad
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news:94690301E74BD311B7F...@apps.lynx-fsc.co.uk...
sanr...@my-deja.com
I believe Mr Bakker was giving you some suggestions, since you are new
to this newsgroup and to Oracle.
1. Don't crosspost
2. go to technet.oracle.com. There you will find all Oracle Manuals
Concepts,SQL,PL/SQL) that you can download for free. That is the best
place for info for people new to Oracle.
Hth
Sanrenkur
Connor McDonald
>
> Walter - I agree - we don't need religious fanaticism on this NG. So lets
> avoid calling books about Oracle, a database program, Holy. And, if I'm
> wrong about what Oracle is, feel free to enlighten me.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Brad
>
> "Walter T Rejuney" <Blu...@Unforgetable.com> wrote in message
> news:39E5B126...@Unforgetable.com...
> >
> > > Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy Manual",
> there
> > > is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
> > >
> > > You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database program,
> but
> > > keep a little perspective.
> > >
> > > This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical fields is
> > > really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database here, a
> means
> > > to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
> >
> > wrong.
> >
Its just a typo - oracle is 'holey'
:-)
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Its not the voices in my head that bother me...
its the voices in yours.
Van Messner
SQL*Plus is not a bad thing. You get complete control over anything you
want - creating the table, index(es), storage parameters for both, column
constraints, table and column comments, foreign keys and indexes on them,
tablespaces used and much, much more. If you write the statement in notepad
you can paste it into SQL*Plus while retaining a record of what you did for
the future or for additional uses.
Van
<sean_g...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> Actually all I was going to ask is why do I need to use SQL plus 8 to
> create tables etc; is there not a GUI that does the same. Yes I have
> been reviewing 'The Manual' (Holy or Otherwise) and I have used MS SQL
> 6.5 and access a lot. But thought its time to grow up and try oracle!
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> In article <CUjF5.565$rW.2...@den-news1.rmi.net>,
> "Brad Strong" <brad....@autodesk.com> wrote:
> > Jerome,
> > No, haven't smoked anything for years. Simply asking that we keep
> technology
> > and spirituality separate.
> >
> > Interesting imagination you have, though.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Brad
> >
> > "Jerome Gransac" <jgra...@kedros.com> wrote in message
> > news:39E5B266...@kedros.com...
> > > Are you smoking sheets, fitted carpet or something like that ?
> > >
> > >
> > > Sorry for this but it bothers me.
> > >
> > > Brad Strong wrote:
> > >
> > > > Please, don't refer to a book written by technoids as a "Holy
> Manual",
> > there
> > > > is one valid Holy Book on the planet and it is the Bible.
> > > >
> > > > You may be an oracle DBA, and Oracle may be a great database
> program,
> > but
> > > > keep a little perspective.
> > > >
> > > > This "ministry of information" that I see in various technical
> fields is
> > > > really tiresome. In the end, we are talking about a database
> here, a
> > means
> > > > to mine data and make a living, not a way to save your soul.
> > > >
Norman Dunbar
From: Brad Strong [mailto:brad....@autodesk.com]
Subject: Re: Oracle beginners (a bit off topic)
>> Norman -
>> I understand where you're at. And, no, I did not know the Vatican
library
>> had the largest collection of porn in the world.
Second largest, we Brits have the biggest collection :o)
>> Of course, we live in a twisted world.
Indeed we do, indeed we do :o(
Regards, Norman.
Norman Dunbar
Once you know how to do stuff using the 'command line' in SQLPlus then
you will know how to use other tools. I use TOAD on a daily basis. This
is a Tool for Oracle Applications Developers and is truly wonderful. It
comes as a 'pay lots of money' version from www.quest.com and also as a
freeware version (slightly restricted in the tuning/debugging & DBA
facilities) which expires every 60 days - you then download a new
version. This you get from www.toadsoft.com. It also has an egroups
support mailing list which you can join. (See you there !)
Hope this helps - hang on in there with SQLPlus though - you need to
know the basics before trying out any of the fancy stuff.
Regards, Norman.
Jim Gregory
mean we cannot have a sense of humor. I found Sybrand's comments a very
humorous way to illustrate a growing problem with some of the questions
found here.
I certainly did not take it in any literal sense as a religious commentary
If we cannot laugh at ourselves we need to find another occupation that we
don't get obsessed with.
--
Jim Gregory
Principal Consultant for Keane, Inc.
Currently assigned to NCR
"Opinions are my own and do not reflect
those of Keane or my clients"
Brad Strong <brad....@autodesk.com> wrote in message
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jgroff
Brad Strong wrote in message ...
>Norman -
>
>I understand where you're at. And, no, I did not know the Vatican library
>had the
>largest collection of porn in the world. Of course, we live in a twisted
>world.
>
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>> --------
>> Norman Dunbar EMail: NDu...@LynxFinancialSystems.co.uk
>> Technical Consultant Phone: 0113 289 6265
>> Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. Fax: 0113 201 7265
>> URL: http://www.LynxFinancialSystems.com
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brad Strong [mailto:brad....@autodesk.com]
>> Subject: Re: Oracle beginners (a bit off topic)
>>
>>
jgroff
the religion comments.....)
sanr...@my-deja.com wrote in message <8s4thu$qhi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Brad
>I believe Mr Bakker was giving you some suggestions, since you are new
>to this newsgroup and to Oracle.
>1. Don't crosspost
>2. go to technet.oracle.com. There you will find all Oracle Manuals
>Concepts,SQL,PL/SQL) that you can download for free. That is the best
>place for info for people new to Oracle.
>Hth
>Sanrenkur
>
>
Noodles
least a voice of reason. :)
I agree fully in laughing at ourselves. Let's face it, how many of us have
created Oracle objects with spaces or control characters in the name and then
wonder why we can't access them.
Maybe it's that whole typing thing that's important.
Cliff
ora...@sybrandb.demon.nl
Initially I was considering the use of that famous four letter acronym.
I didn't intend to insult anyone, I am a christian myself, and I do
believe it is not forbidden to make jokes about my religion and/or to
use religious terms in making jokes. Life would be truly boring without
it. I apologize if I offended anyone.
And yes, I do agree, that people, who don't read anything, are a growing
problem in Oracle newsgroups.
Regards,
Sybrand Bakker, Oracle DBA
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