A qiuestion for the community
Randy Harris
from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that
persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
CDMA.
Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.
What do you think?
Randy Harris
John Marshall, MVP
John... Visio MVP
Panzerlied
keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
like that.
So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.
JimA
Keith W
news:oOidnbia4PA...@magma.ca...
> One vote for you to continue.
>
Is there any point? He clearly intends to continue and I fear that attempts
on here to persuade him otherwise will be futile and merely fan the flames.
You can't teach someone intelligence and I think that the only way he will
be stopped is with help from his ISP. How likely is that? Not very IMO.
I think that we will just have to hope that all other ng users do not follow
his lead and instead continue to respect the charter (and other users) and
not fill it with spam. At the end of the day, if someone wants to hire a
developer they're hardly going to come here regardless of what he may claim.
Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a huge
troll and that we've all been "had" :o) On the other hand I have an image
of a fat bearded bloke saying things to himself like "I will return to my
comic book store where I dispense the insults rather than absorb them".
Keith.
Rick Brandt
My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple, non-inflammatory
message in response to any such post that crosses the "thou shall not advertise"
line and then leave it at that. This message could include a link to a page
that describes the history and nature of your cause. It's purpose should be to
inform the OP, not to berate the advertiser.
NO reponse from Steve following such a post should be responded to. It is the
fact that each and every one of these posts devolves into shouting match threads
that I find distasteful. Make the post and then drop it.
Actually a page that highlighted some of the questions that Steve has *asked*
over the years should be enough to deter anyone from paying for his services.
--
I don't check the Email account attached
to this message. Send instead to...
RBrandt at Hunter dot com
John Marshall, MVP
able to convince others not to follow in his footsteps.
He is the poster child for bad newsgroup behaviour.
John... Visio MVP
Randy Harris
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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Incidentally, my objective is not to drive Steve out of CDMA, simply to get
him to stop advertising.
Keith W
>I do not believe we will be able to convince him to stop, but we should be
>able to convince others not to follow in his footsteps.
>
In that case I think Rick's suggestion is worth a try.
rkc
> In that case I think Rick's suggestion is worth a try.
Indeed.
pc datasheet is a boil on the ass of cdma, but the back and forth
banter is making everyone involved look ridiculous.
Steve
like to point out that this newsgroup has much less spam and
advertising than many others. You've done a remarkable job of keeping
the discussions about Access. That said, I think Rick's idea is a good
one. If implemented, it will kind of mark all of pc datasheet's posts.
It could even become a search marker (i.e. "Do you want to see all the
posts by the guy behind pc datasheet? Search for this particular phrase
from Keith's responses").
To be more explicit, my vote is to continue the effort. A desperate
office worker who has bosses breathing down his neck even though he
doesn't know much about Access could potentially go for pc datasheet's
line and end up with problems.
Arno R
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht news:ReFgf.1686$Y%5....@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
> from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
> professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one that
> persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
> ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
> CDMA.
I am 100% with you. I also vote for you to continue, and I am glad you joined us.
What kind of group would this group be if we would let Steve go on with his blatant advertising?
> Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
> percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.
Again 100% with you Randy.
I am very anxious to hear the opinion of more regulars about this.
************************************************
A lot of them stay 'outside' the discussion for whatever reason.
IMO this is a perfect time to speak up!
> What do you think?
I am still very confident that *we* can succeed in stopping Steve.
-- We can *not* beat a person like DPM. DPM is able to hide.
-- We *can* stop the job hunting / advertising PC DataSheet.
PCD needs his name, he can't hide his advertising.
Arno R
StopThisAdvertising
"Keith W" <he...@there.com> schreef in bericht news:43832415$1...@glkas0286.greenlnk.net...
> Is there any point? He clearly intends to continue and I fear that attempts
> on here to persuade him otherwise will be futile and merely fan the flames.
Of course there is a point in continuing. This group is lost if we don't.
There is no point in kill-filing him IMO. We need you (and others!) Keith.
> Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a huge
> troll and that we've all been "had" :o)
If you are suspicious about me Keith, just ask me what you want to know.
Arno R
PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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Randy Harris
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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> Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
> sending emails to my office.
>
> "If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
> with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
> nothing. Grow up and get a life."
>
> Salad
>
> --
> PC Datasheet
> Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
> reso...@pcdatasheet.com
> www.pcdatasheet.com
>
Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues.
Arno R
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:b5Mgf.2212$aA2....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
> sending emails to my office.
I intend this to be the last time in this thread where I reply to Steve...
One get's tired of this kind of false and very mean accusations <sigh ...>.
I *did* send ONE email to Steve's office indeed ...
Look at the thread: "Checkboxes and Option Groups"
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.databases.ms-access/msg/bce809737152b925
In that thread I said to Steve:
"If you are interested contact me and I will send you a screenshot."
Steve replied:
==>> "I am interested. I would appreciate whatever you can send me".
************************************************
So I did send a screenshot to Steve's office ...
"Steve,
As promised a screenshot,
<Screenshot>
If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free."
And I also replied to Steve here in the groups with the same message:
"I just did send the screenshot to you.
As I said in the mail: If you stop your advertising you can have the code for free !"
He did *not* answer this. So my conclusion was (here in cdma):
>Since I don't hear from you again, I guess your are not interested in free
>code or free support?
So I never have been sending email*s*. I see only ONE mail to resource@pcdatasheet in my Outbox.
As I recall I was even hesitating sending Steve the screenshot because I choked on the address ("resource..." sic!!)
Arno R
Darryl Kerkeslager
> My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple, non-inflammatory
> message in response to any such post that crosses the "thou shall not
> advertise" line and then leave it at that. This message could include a
> link to a page that describes the history and nature of your cause. It's
> purpose should be to inform the OP, not to berate the advertiser.
>
> NO reponse from Steve following such a post should be responded to. It is
> the fact that each and every one of these posts devolves into shouting
> match threads that I find distasteful. Make the post and then drop it.
I wholeheartedly support every word of this excellent proposal.
--
Darryl Kerkeslager
PC Datasheet
my posts and encouraged Arno R to get back into the foray. Then Arno R
started tracking every one of my posts and sending emails to my office.
Dimwit John Marshall and Keith Wilby joined Arno R harassing my every post.
And lately you started harassing my posts.
I am not going to put up with all the crap from all of the above. As I have
said before I am approaching helping 1050 newsgroup posters for reasonable
fees and I will continue helping. I don't discourage anyone from seeking
help from the newsgroups and in fact I encourage people to use the
newsgroups. I AM NOT trying to "steal" users away from the newsgroups. It's
just that some users need and WANT a place to turn to for special help and
over the past four years plus I have provided them a resource to go to and I
will continue to be there for users in the future who WANT a place to turn
to.
I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all the
others mentioned in the first paragraph quit harassing me and Arno R quits
sending emails to my office, it will go back to the way it was before Arno R
started trying to boost his ego by making himself the Don Quixote of the
newsgroups. He just needs to follow Salad's advice and grow up and get a
life.
Steve
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
That means a stop of all the harassment in all the newsgroups by everyone in
the first paragraph!
Steve
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> wrote in message
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John Marshall, MVP
> Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
> sending emails to my office.
Is your record stuck?
John... Visio MVP
John Marshall, MVP
> Arno R started tracking every one of my posts and sending emails to my
> office.
Arno has denied that, so where is the proof.
> Dimwit John Marshall and Keith Wilby joined Arno R harassing my every
> post.
Careful steve, I have not responded to all your posts. Occassionally you
have acted
responsibly and in those cases you will not find any response from me.
> As I have said before I am approaching helping 1050 newsgroup posters for
> reasonable fees and I will continue helping.
So why are they not jumping to your defence?
> I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense.
It's all in your hands, stop soliciting and we're gone.
John... Visio MVP
David W. Fenton
Stop. I'm on the verge of killfiling the bunch of you who are
polluting the newsgroup with theis bitchfest.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
David W. Fenton
> One vote for you to continue.
You shouldn't be voting -- you're one of the offenders polluting the
newsgroup with all the crap in reaction to one particular poster.
David W. Fenton
news:1132679895....@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> my vote is to continue the effort.
Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.
If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.
David W. Fenton
news:9EFgf.19400$7h7....@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
> My vote would be for you to simply post a short, simple,
> non-inflammatory message in response to any such post that crosses
> the "thou shall not advertise" line and then leave it at that.
If you're goign to do that, please do it the way Arno has, and use a
special return address for those posts so those who want can simply
killfile those and never see them.
Randy Harris
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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That seems reasonable. Certainly those who read CDMA regularly know about
Steve, there's no need to inform them. Those that wish can simply killfile
those messages.
Salad
> As an uninvolved lurker who works with Access on and off I would say
> keep up the good fight. I am disgusted with the behavior of Steve. His
> language, his personal attacks, his despicable childish actions are a
> blight on us all. I can't imagine anyone doing business with someone
> like that.
>
> So keep up the good work - maybe he'll get the message or just leave.
>
> JimA
Datasheet's been around a lot longer than you. Doesn't mean he's right.
Just that this nonsense is not going to stop him. This is a recent
phenomenon...this ad/tag war. I'm with David Fenton. And I've been
posting since '97, whether or not that means anything. If I want a
flame war, I'll head off to a political newsgroup.
Randy Harris
"Salad" <o...@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Salad,
Would you be opposed to a limited campaign, with no more than one response
to datasheet in a thread, using a single from ID that you could easily
killfile? I'm not sure how significant the length of your history in CDMA
is, but as a regular, your opinion certainly matters.
XMVP
"John Marshall, MVP" <lanc...@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
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> John... Visio MVP
That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit.
PC Datasheet
Are you showing your true colors here???
Six hours ago you posted:
"Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues."
To which I replied and you never responded back.
Now you post this and it seems contrary to your earlier post. It doesn't
appear you were sincere at all earlier give that you did not respond to my
reply to your earlier post and given your response here to Salad.
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
Are you showing your true colors here???
Six hours ago you posted:
"Steve, what do you say we put an end to this nonsense? Be reasonable. Go
back to your old simplified sig line. Let's get back to what this newsgroup
is all about, helping one another with Access issues."
To which I replied and you never responded back.
Now you post this and it seems contrary to your earlier post. It doesn't
appear you were sincere at all earlier given that you did not respond to my
reply to your earlier post and given your response here to David.
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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Randy Harris
Your response made your position entirely clear. There is no point in
attempting to reason with you. I won't be replying to you any longer. It
simply wastes bandwidth and clutters the newsgroup.
I hope that Arno, John and the others will do the same.
I (we if others wish to) will be posting the simple clarification message,
like before, in response to your advertising message, as suggested by Rick
and others.
Randy
Keith W
news:43836f20$0$753$5fc...@dreader2.news.tiscali.nl...
> Oh and there's just a little suspicion I have that the whole thing is a
> huge
> troll and that we've all been "had" :o)
If you are suspicious about me Keith, just ask me what you want to know.
The suspicion was not intended in your direction Arno :o)
StopThisAdvertising
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> schreef in bericht news:Xns9716EACE5BEDdf...@216.196.97.142...
> Well, as someone who's been posting regularly in this newsgroup
> since 1996, I vote AGAINST continuing the campaign.
You have the right to vote against.
> If it doesn't stop, I'll killfile all the people who are involving
> themselves. Maybe you won't care, but I'd bet I won't be the only
> one doing so, just the only one saying so out loud.
You have no right in intimidating people with your killfile threats.
Arno R
PC Datasheet
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
Looks like you might start getting your posts tracked by Arno R and start
getting emails sent to your office too!!
Steve
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
know about Randy Harris,
Steve
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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John Marshall, MVP
> Oh Yes, watch out for John Marshall dwt and Keith Wilby too! And you never
> know about Randy Harris,
>
> Steve
David has nothing to worry about. He is a long time contributor that knows
how to respect the newsgroup. He is just annoyed having
to put up with the extra traffic on the newsgroup that was instigated by
your lack of respect for the newsgroup.
I have no problem with the regulars killfiling me. They know you are the
cause of the problem. If you want, please add me to your killfile.
As stated many times before, you can easily stop this by respecting the
newsgroup and stop using the newsgroups to solicit business.
John... Visio MVP
Jim Devenish
PC Datasheet wrote:
>
> I'm the first to want to put an end to this nonsense. So if you and all the
> it will go back to the way it was before ...
>
> Steve
So here is the solution. Accept this offer and call a truce. Forget
the past and try again.
Have a trial period until the end of the year.
1 Steve, go back to the way it was before and, for the trial, ignore
other messages.
2 For everyone else, stop complaining.
If by 1 January it has not settled down then adopt Rick's suggestion.
Jim
Panzerlied
Not sure why the length of time that someone has been around is
relevant? And I doubt he has been around longer than me (unless you
mean on this board) as I have almost reached "Unbelievably Old" status!
<G> I've been reading this newsgroup since 98 (being an idiot, I had
little knowledge to share; but I learned a lot). More importantly, I
was asked to vote to continue or stop this nonsense - I chose to
exercise my franchise.
JimA
John Marshall, MVP
Since these messages are in response to his behaviour, he has had it in his
power to stop this along time ago, but he chose to use these newsgroups to
make money, while others continue to try to help other users with no
expectation of compensation.
The issue here is more than just the diatribe after the sigline. Steve has
been using these newsgroups to solicit work. I only post against his
messages when his advice to the OP contains a "call me" message or is
passing bad information. On some of my replies to these message I do take a
shot at what he writes after his sigline.
So if steve stops trying to lure users from the newsgroup for his own gain
and simplifies his sigline down to a single URL (as he has forced one user
to do), this whole matter will end.
John... Visio MVP
"Jim Devenish" <internet...@foobox.com> wrote in message
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Steve
name, have you realized that by posting such inflammatory things with
an advertisement for your company in your signature that you're
probably hurting your business? If I were going to purchase services
from someone I saw on a newsgroup, I wouldn't do so from the a person
who I knew was heavily insulting other posters and in general acting as
a child would. I would choose a poster who has shown that they are
considerate and professional. 'Considerate' and 'professional' are not
adjectives I would use to describe your performance so far.
Note that I'm not looking to jump into this ridiculous war: everyone
has the right to post in the newsgroups after they check the 'I agree
to these terms of service' box. However, advertising for personal gain
on a board meant for free help to those who want it is a rather low
thing to do. Personally, I think it would be nice if you stopped
advertising on this particular board.
davidg...@yahoo.co.uk
"Steve is a unique find" Anonymous
"...thanks to Steve who made me a hero" Anonymous
"Steve was a pleasure to work with" Geordie - Anonymous Company
Qualifications: Frequent contributor to newsgroups (frequently most
unpopular)
Access/Excel tips: Coming Soon!!! (...)
Oh dear.
PC Datasheet
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
<davidg...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Keith W
> Where are you sending this from Keith?
>
Not me bud.
Keith W
The tips have been "coming soon" for years.
The "resources" are good for a laugh too - "Large library of Reference
Books", "Library (Indexed) of Over 1000 Procedures Taken From Various
Sources", 'taken' meaning "plagiarised". I've never seen "qualifications"
such as those claimed either, nothing formal at all.
PC Datasheet
Take a look at my reply to Randy's offer. I took the offer as a sincere
offer in trust and said I am the first to want to put an end to the nonsense
and I wanted to just go back to the way it was before. As it turned out
Randy's offer was not sincere and he showed he is not a person that can be
trusted. Five hours later he is recruiting for a campaign to continue to
harass me and he said he is joining Arno R and his goons to track all my
posts.
Take a look at the immediate response you got from noneother than John
Marshall dwt (sic dimwit). It's obvious he is not going to stop polluting
the newsgroups with his worthless garbage. Immediately after you posted I
got a derogatory email at my office from Arno R and another suspicious email
that I believe was sent by Keith Wilby. So you see Arno R and his goons have
no desire to stop polluting the newsgroups with their worthless garbage.
Go back over the past month or so and see how many contributory responses
were made by these dimwiteers. You will not need anything else than your
fingers on one hand. They are on their own joy ride at the expense of the
newsgroups and don't give a damn about the newsgroups. Take a look at
Salad's advise to Arno R to grow up and get a life. Arno R's ego couldn't
take that! Look at Arno R's response to David Fenton. I wouldn't be
surprised David has not gotten any unwanted email from these characters.
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Jim Devenish" <internet...@foobox.com> wrote in message
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>
John Marshall, MVP
> Go back over the past month or so and see how many contributory responses
> were made by these dimwiteers.
Irrelavent. Posting is not a requirement for commenting on the well being of
these newsgroups.
> They are on their own joy ride at the expense of the newsgroups and don't
> give a damn about the newsgroups.
Well put steve, we want these newsgroups reserved for lowlifes like you who
do not care
about helping other users, just as a means to make money.
Master steve, it's all in your hands. Grow up and Stop annoying the user of
these newsgroups with
your grovelling for money. The complaining of your inappropriate behaviour
will miraculously stop.
John... Visio MVP
Arno R
"PC Datasheet" <nos...@nospam.spam> schreef in bericht news:H%2hf.4649$wf....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Immediately after you posted I
> got a derogatory email at my office from Arno R
I did *not* sent anything to you! What the f*** are you talking about??
You are just a pathetical liar!
I challenge you to show us that email!
Also show us the other emails please!
Arno R
PC Datasheet
"That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit. "
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"John Marshall, MVP" <lanc...@stonehenge.ca> wrote in message
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Arno R
Damn !!
I see a post signed as StopTheAdvertising that is *not* posted by me.
Thread: Database design.
Not my sig (Arno R). Not my language (copy of Randy's message)
The follow-up (from PCDataSheet) ... ??) also seems a fake to me!
Might be someone is 'interfering' here.
And if so, I *do* have an idea who that is <sigh>.
So Steve: *IF* you received emails, did you bother to check the headers before accusing me?
Arno R
Randy Harris
Sorry Arno, that was me. I changed the From to make it easy for regulars to
killfile it, but I forgot to add my sig to it. I will be sure to correct
that the next time.
I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely nothing that
any of us could post that would make Steve look as childish and
unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let him rant all he wants, my
postings will stop the instant his advertising does. This is essentially the
strategy suggested by Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.
Randy Harris
"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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Arno R
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> schreef in bericht news:tP4hf.1295$Ba6...@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
> Sorry Arno, that was me. I changed the From to make it easy for regulars to
> killfile it, but I forgot to add my sig to it. I will be sure to correct
> that the next time.
>
> I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely nothing that
> any of us could post that would make Steve look as childish and
> unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let him rant all he wants, my
> postings will stop the instant his advertising does. This is essentially the
> strategy suggested by Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.
>
> Randy Harris
Ok, thanks Randy. For a moment I was afraid it was 'our local troll' who was impersonating me.
So I was even thinking that PC might *not* be lying about the office-emails ...
(Well, he has the opportunity to show them here... )
Suggestion for the 'From': "PleaseStopAdvertising"
IMO the one you just used was too much a lookalike. You even fooled me ;-)
I think it might be handy to know *who* posted *what* don't you think?
So if you would use "PleaseStopAdvertising" as your second identity I can use "StopThisAdvertising" as I am using for month's now.
Maybe others who will join us can use "StopAdvertisingNow" or similar.
If we would use the *same* alias it would be easy to killfile but...
Since I realy *hate* the impersonating that has happened here (and the aliases Steve still uses while asking questions) I think we have to use names that 'can tell who we are'. It is easy enough to killfile a few names.
Well what do you think?
Or maybe we better discuss this issue offline?
Nothing sneeky, but if you want, contact me.
For the moment I am considering to give Steve a break.
If he reverts to his old sig, of course I wil also stop to hunt him.
It is all up to him as he knows, or should know by now.
Arno R
Tim Marshall
> The complaining of your inappropriate behaviour
> will miraculously stop.
It certainly did the past Summer when he behaved properly.
--
Tim http://www.ucs.mun.ca/~tmarshal/
^o<
/#) "Burp-beep, burp-beep, burp-beep?" - Quaker Jake
/^^ "What's UP, Dittoooooo?" - Ditto
PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
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"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
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reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
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"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"Arno R" <arraNO...@tiscali.nl> wrote in message
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John Marshall, MVP
> You're just reinforcing what a poster said about you ---
>
> "That's good, you hypocritical piece of shit. "
You are so eloquent and as usual wrong. I have been consistent in stating
that your pimping is inappropriate in these newsgroups.
John...
John Marshall, MVP
> Why don't you take Salad's advise and grow up and get a life and quit
> sending emails to my office.
steve has your brain stopped and you can not come up with any new excuses
for your bad behaviour?
When are you going to prove that Arno has sent more than the one message he
acknowledges? Or is this another one of your lies?
John... Visio MVO
Randy Harris
die. If Steve wishes to continue his ranting, let him do so, he is doing
harm to no one other than himself.
Randy Harris
"Randy Harris" <ra...@SpamFree.com> wrote in message
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> I've recently joined several others in attempt to discourage Steve Santos
> from advertising his PC Datasheet business on CDMA. Among the hundreds of
> professional consultants who contribute to CDMA, Steve is the only one
that
> persistently violates the charter prohibition on advertising. I think
> ignoring Steve's actions threatens the survival and continued success of
> CDMA.
>
> Despite his advertising, foul language and name calling, if a significant
> percentage of the CDMA regulars would prefer that I stop, I will.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Randy Harris
>
StopThisAdvertising
Hmmm, Steve has learned already!!
At least in his quote he is giving Salad credit for the contents of the message.
Arno R
"John Marshall, MVP" <lanc...@stonehenge.ca> schreef in bericht news:HqydnRR2RfZxchne...@magma.ca...
David S via AccessMonster.com
I like the original suggestion of posting just once to the thread so that the
original poster knows not to accept PC Datasheet's advice at face value. I
think links to somewhere else where someone can go to view the language,
tenor of discussion, etc - like sample threads, websites, etc - is also
important, so that the original poster doesn't have to take either person's
word for it, but can see the evidence for themselves. The idea is to make
sure new posters to the group are able to make fully informed decisions.
The automated response after every post is overkill, I think - I saw that in
another thread and it seems to be what PC Datasheet is foing in this one.
Any chance of adding others, such as Aaron Kempf, to this sort of list ;)
BTW I have no idea what this CDMA thing is and the agreement people sign up
to - I'm not very familiar with newsgroups at all, but hang out on here via
the AccessMonster web site, which does something similar to the Google groups,
I think...
--
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http://www.accessmonster.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/databases-ms-access/200511/1
John Marshall, MVP
through a third party front end.
CDMA - Comp.Databases.Ms-Access
John... Visio MVP
PC Datasheet
sending emails to my office.
"If you have anything to contribute to the group, contribute. Your war
with Datasheet is simply pissing and moaning in the wind for the sake of
nothing. Grow up and get a life."
Salad
--
PC Datasheet
Your Resource For Help With Access, Excel And Word Applications
reso...@pcdatasheet.com
www.pcdatasheet.com
If you can't get the help you need in the newsgroup, I can help you for a
very reasonable fee. Over 1000 Access users have come to me for help.
Need a month calendar or 7 day calendar? Need appointment scheduling? Need
room reservations scheduling? Need employee work scheduling? Contact me!
"StopThisAdvertising" <StopThisAdvertising@DataShit> wrote in message
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Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP
"David W. Fenton" <dXXXf...@bway.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>
> Stop. I'm on the verge of killfiling the bunch of you who are
> polluting the newsgroup with theis bitchfest.
>
is new word bitchfest yes? or is wrong spelling for bitchfist? please say.
i very happy man when learn new english!
Sherwood Wang
*** BIG TIME MVP ***
MP
"Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> is new word bitchfest yes? or is wrong spelling for bitchfist? please
say.
> i very happy man when learn new english!
>
Main Entry: complain
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: grumble
Synonyms: accuse, ascribe, attack, beef, bellyache, bemoan, bewail,
bitch, carp, cavil, charge, contravene, criticize, defy, demur, denounce,
deplore, deprecate, differ, disagree, disapprove, dissent, expostulate, find
fault, fret, fuss, gainsay, grieve, gripe, groan, grouse, growl, grumble,
impute, indict, lament, lay, look askance, moan, nag, object, oppose,
protest, refute, remonstrate, repine, reproach, snivel, sound off, wail,
whimper, whine, yammer
Antonyms: applaud, be content, be happy, compliment, laud, praise,
recommend
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
1 entry found for fest.
Main Entry: bull session
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: informal discussion
Synonyms: chin fest, chinwag, confab, gabfest, rap session, talk
fest
Source: Roget's New MillenniumT Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright © 2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.
so bitch-fest - get together and do a lot of bitching(complaining)
Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP
"MP" <nos...@Thanks.com> wrote in message
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mr mp so very happy when read your replie!!! is verb + noun make 1 word
yes? so stupid to me thinking noun + noun make 1 word!!! is big
*brainfart* for me yes? //hahaha ==> good english joke i love your language
mr mp
MP
>
> "MP" <nos...@Thanks.com> wrote in message
> news:qJ9hf.4454$js5....@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > "Sherwood Wang, Big Time MVP" <nos...@nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:1132797565.14c84a7443...@fe5.teranews.com...
> >
> mr mp so very happy when read your replie!!! is verb + noun make 1 word
> yes? so stupid to me thinking noun + noun make 1 word!!! is big
> *brainfart* for me yes? //hahaha ==> good english joke i love your
language
> mr mp
not stupid at all
your interest to learn a language shows how smart you are!!!
bitch is used as both a noun and a verb
bitch originally meant a female dog (as far as I know)
then it came to be used to mean a female human with a "bad temper"
(slang)
then it came to be used as a verb - to complain (like what the female human
with the bad temper was doing)
I consider the later usage to be crude(rude) slang but it was there in the
online dictionary so i guess it's gotten citizenship by default
I don't think bitchfest is actually a word at all - it wasnt' in the online
dictionaries
just slang that gets passed around in informal usage and for english
speakers is probably more or less recognized as what it means even if it's
not an "official" word.
...so even though it's a "bad" word...and even though the rest of this whole
thread is a stupid waste of bandwidth...at least you actually learned
something from it!
:-)
Too bad it wasn't something more valuable!
what's your native language?
Mark
David W. Fenton
> I'm hoping to minimize the garbage posts. There is absolutely
> nothing that any of us could post that would make Steve look as
> childish and unprofessional as his own ravings. I intend to let
> him rant all he wants, my postings will stop the instant his
> advertising does. This is essentially the strategy suggested by
> Rick, David Fenton and a couple of others.
Hold on -- my suggestion is to IGNORE the posts that bother you --
killfile the offender and let it be.
But, if you *insist* on posting responses to the newsgroup chiding
the offender for whatever it is that annoys you, use a different
email address. For most newsreaders, it doesn't matter if you use
the same email address as long as you vary the friendly name part of
it. And it doesn't even matter if you use a non-working email
address, as the purpose of it is to allow those of us who want to
clean out the pollution of the newsgroup to killfile that address so
we don't have to see it.
But, again, let me repeat that *I* would urge you all to just chill
out and not read the posts by the people who get your dander up, and
not respond to them at all. The situation is only *slightly*
different than the troll scenario that we went through a while back.
--
David W. Fenton http://www.bway.net/~dfenton
dfenton at bway dot net http://www.bway.net/~dfassoc
Keith W
> another suspicious email that I believe was sent by Keith Wilby.
Whoa, the paranoia's set in well! <Outer Limits theme plays>
Arno R
"John Marshall, MVP" <lanc...@stonehenge.ca> schreef in bericht news:6I-dnTxsfqJ...@magma.ca...
John, please contact me ...
Arno R
Mike Preston
Slooflirpa, all year long.
mike