Old release notes

[Roy Hann]

I am wondering if there is an archive of old (i.e. up to and including
"ancient") GENERIC release notes somewhere accessible? I never got a
really satisfying answer to my B-tree question a few weeks ago and I've
got a few more questions along the same line.

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[Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil]

Hello Roy,

First, happy new year to everybody.

In the past (when I was CA) I found an internal server with all what you are looking for (old release notes).

Don't know if it still existing in Ingres Corp ...

Hope this help,
Regards,
Jean-Pierre ZUATE

2009/1/4 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

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[Paul Mason]

We do have a webpage on one of our servers that has release notes going back to 6.4. However I think Roy was looking for something a bit older than that – Btrees definitely weren’t new in 6.4.

 

Cheers

Paul

 

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Sent: 05 January 2009 10:37
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Subject: Re: [Info-Ingres] Old release notes

 

Hello Roy,

First, happy new year to everybody.

In the past (when I was CA) I found an internal server with all what you are looking for (old release notes).

Don't know if it still existing in Ingres Corp ...

Hope this help,
Regards,
Jean-Pierre ZUATE

2009/1/4 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

I am wondering if there is an archive of old (i.e. up to and including

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[Roy Hann]

Paul Mason wrote:

> We do have a webpage on one of our servers that has release notes going
> back to 6.4. However I think Roy was looking for something a bit older

> than that - Btrees definitely weren't new in 6.4.

6.4 onward would be very useful to me. Is the webpage you mention on a
server I can see?

(Knowing when B-tree support was introduced would still be
nice, just to gratify my curiosity. If anyone knows...? Mikey should
remember; but then so should I.)

[Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil]

Roy,

Is this link can help you ? : http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/Ingres/us_39363.html

It come from this page : http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/ingres.html#technotes

Hope this help,
JPz

2009/1/5 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

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[Richard Tyler-Jones]

Roy

I have two copies of the Release Notes for INGRES Release 6.4/05 (March
1994). As I know it would be going to a good home, you would be very
welcome to one of them. Would you like me to send you a copy?

And for those who might want to accuse me of being a sad, anorak-
wearing academic with kleptomania (or worse), I have no idea why I have
two copies and I have not kept ALL past Ingres documentation - just
the more interesting ones ;-)

Best wishes
Richard

Dr Richard Tyler-Jones
Information Services
The University of Nottingham
Nottingham
UK

[Roy Hann]

Richard Tyler-Jones wrote:

>
> Roy
>
> I have two copies of the Release Notes for INGRES Release 6.4/05 (March
> 1994). As I know it would be going to a good home, you would be very
> welcome to one of them. Would you like me to send you a copy?

I was about to say yes please, but I just re-discovered the (floppy!!)
disks with my near-mythical release of 6.4 for Windows NT. So I've got
6.4 covered I think. But very many thanks all the same.

> And for those who might want to accuse me of being a sad, anorak-
> wearing academic with kleptomania (or worse), I have no idea why I have
> two copies and I have not kept ALL past Ingres documentation - just
> the more interesting ones ;-)

I once tried to keep them all but when you change jobs you can't just
take stuff with you. :-(

[Roy Hann]

Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil wrote:

> Roy,
>
> Is this link can help you ? :
> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/Ingres/us_39363.html
>
> It come from this page :
> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/ingres.html#technotes

Thanks Jean-Pierre. That's a good little write-up but I am certain that
B-tree were introduced long before release 6.0. I'm inclined to think
it was probably Release 3.0 circa 1985/6?

It's good to keep William's page in mind. It is full of treasures.

[Mark Luijendijk]

Roy,

 

In the "INGRES version 7 reference manual" dated April 8, 1981 there's definitely no mention of btree - only heap, hash and isam were available at that time...

 

Mark

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"Roy Hann" <spec...@processed.almost.meat> wrote in message
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>I am wondering if there is an archive of old (i.e. up to and including
> "ancient") GENERIC release notes somewhere accessible? I never got a
> really satisfying answer to my B-tree question a few weeks ago and I've
> got a few more questions along the same line.

From the responses on this thread, the priory clinic could be opening up a
new wing and addiction speciality..

[Paul Mason]

2009/1/5 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

Paul Mason wrote:

> We do have a webpage on one of our servers that has release notes going
> back to 6.4. However I think Roy was looking for something a bit older
> than that - Btrees definitely weren't new in 6.4.

6.4 onward would be very useful to me.  Is the webpage you mention on a
server I can see?

It is now - ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/release.tar.gz

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[Paul Mason]

It is now - ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/release.tar.gz

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Paul Mason wrote:

--
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[Roy Hann]

On Web wrote:

> "Roy Hann" <spec...@processed.almost.meat> wrote in message
> news:iq6dnU1VpeKsXf3U...@pipex.net...
>>I am wondering if there is an archive of old (i.e. up to and including
>> "ancient") GENERIC release notes somewhere accessible? I never got a
>> really satisfying answer to my B-tree question a few weeks ago and I've
>> got a few more questions along the same line.
>
> From the responses on this thread, the priory clinic could be opening up a
> new wing and addiction speciality..

Guess what I put down as "religion" on census forms? :-) If enough of
us do that we can get government funding for our own faith schools!

[Roy Hann]

Paul Mason wrote:

Whoo-hoo! Excellent. Many thanks Paul.

[Michael Leo]

Gang,

I am 100% certain B-trees were in 3.x. B-trees pre-dated
SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.

I did a lot of office cleaning over the weekend, but I did
NOT find the technical notes that would have also talked about
another storage type that faded away or was never fully released.

Mikey

[John Smedley]

I believe that I have the answer to Roy's question about Btrees

There were not in RTI Ingres 2.1 (June 1983 approx.)
There were in RTI Ingres 3.0 (July 1985 approx.)

Cheers

John

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Michael Leo
Sent: 05 January 2009 16:09
To: Ingres and related product discussion forum
Subject: Re: [Info-Ingres] Old release notes

Gang,

I am 100% certain B-trees were in 3.x. B-trees pre-dated
SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.

I did a lot of office cleaning over the weekend, but I did
NOT find the technical notes that would have also talked about
another storage type that faded away or was never fully released.

Mikey

Roy Hann wrote:
> Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil wrote:
>
>> Roy,
>>
>> Is this link can help you ? :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/Ingres/us_39363.html
>>
>> It come from this page :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/ingres.html#technotes
>
> Thanks Jean-Pierre. That's a good little write-up but I am certain
that
> B-tree were introduced long before release 6.0. I'm inclined to think
> it was probably Release 3.0 circa 1985/6?
>
> It's good to keep William's page in mind. It is full of treasures.
>

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[Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil]

Hi John,

I take the opportunity to wish you an happy new year.

This Btree question is like a big hunt : where is the Btree ? ;-)

Regards,
Jean-Pierre ZUATE
http://lafageconseil.fr

2009/1/5 John Smedley <John.S...@ingres.com>

I believe that I have the answer to Roy's question about Btrees

There were not in RTI Ingres 2.1 (June 1983 approx.)
There were in RTI Ingres 3.0 (July 1985 approx.)

Cheers

John

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Michael Leo
Sent: 05 January 2009 16:09

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Subject: Re: [Info-Ingres] Old release notes

Gang,

I am 100% certain B-trees were in 3.x.  B-trees pre-dated
SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.

I did a lot of office cleaning over the weekend, but I did
NOT find the technical notes that would have also talked about
another storage type that faded away or was never fully released.

Mikey

Roy Hann wrote:

> Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil wrote:
>
>> Roy,
>>
>> Is this link can help you ? :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/Ingres/us_39363.html
>>
>> It come from this page :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/ingres.html#technotes
>
> Thanks Jean-Pierre.  That's a good little write-up but I am certain
that
> B-tree were introduced long before release 6.0.  I'm inclined to think
> it was probably Release 3.0 circa 1985/6?
>
> It's good to keep William's page in mind.  It is full of treasures.
>

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[Laframboise, André]

Between the Atree and Ctree ?

 

Sorry, couldn't resists.......

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Sent: January 5, 2009 1:24 PM

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Subject: Re: [Info-Ingres] Old release notes

Hi John,

I take the opportunity to wish you an happy new year.

This Btree question is like a big hunt : where is the Btree ? ;-)

Regards,
Jean-Pierre ZUATE
http://lafageconseil.fr

2009/1/5 John Smedley <John.S...@ingres.com>

I believe that I have the answer to Roy's question about Btrees

There were not in RTI Ingres 2.1 (June 1983 approx.)
There were in RTI Ingres 3.0 (July 1985 approx.)

Cheers

John

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Michael Leo
Sent: 05 January 2009 16:09

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Subject: Re: [Info-Ingres] Old release notes

Gang,

I am 100% certain B-trees were in 3.x.  B-trees pre-dated
SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.

I did a lot of office cleaning over the weekend, but I did
NOT find the technical notes that would have also talked about
another storage type that faded away or was never fully released.

Mikey

Roy Hann wrote:

> Jean-Pierre Zuate, La Fage Conseil wrote:
>
>> Roy,
>>
>> Is this link can help you ? :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/Ingres/us_39363.html
>>
>> It come from this page :
>> http://ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au/~yuan/ingres.html#technotes
>
> Thanks Jean-Pierre.  That's a good little write-up but I am certain
that
> B-tree were introduced long before release 6.0.  I'm inclined to think
> it was probably Release 3.0 circa 1985/6?
>
> It's good to keep William's page in mind.  It is full of treasures.
>

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[Roy Hann]

Michael Leo wrote:

> Gang,
>
> I am 100% certain B-trees were in 3.x.

That's good enough for me. I don't know why you're so certain but
that's certainly what I was thinking.

> B-trees pre-dated
> SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.

See, all that stuff gets kinda muddled in my memory. I didn't pay any
attention to SQL till much later. I kept hoping it was a mistake and
would just go away...

[Roy Hann]

John Smedley wrote:

> I believe that I have the answer to Roy's question about Btrees
>
> There were not in RTI Ingres 2.1 (June 1983 approx.)
> There were in RTI Ingres 3.0 (July 1985 approx.)

Thank you John.

[Michael Leo]

Roy Hann wrote:
> Michael Leo wrote:

>> B-trees pre-dated
>> SQL, which was "kinda" introduced in 4.x, I recall.
>
> See, all that stuff gets kinda muddled in my memory. I didn't pay any
> attention to SQL till much later. I kept hoping it was a mistake and
> would just go away...
>

Well, I remember when dBase IV introduced SQL. (I think in version
4.x or something.)

In the release notes, there was a section under "Known Issues"
that went something like this:

- The SQL "select" statement might sometimes only return some of the rows it should.

Hmmm .....

;-)

Mikey

[Roy Hann]

Paul Mason wrote:

Thanks for that Paul (and whoever assembled it--?Grant). Unfortunately
I am never satisfied. Around about Ingres 2.6/0201 the release notes
stopped including a summary of new features. Presumably there would
have been a Release Summary PDF instead.

Is there any chance of putting up a complete set of those too?

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"Roy Hann" <spec...@processed.almost.meat> wrote in message

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> Paul Mason wrote:
>
>> 2009/1/5 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>
>>
>>> Paul Mason wrote:
>>>
>>> > We do have a webpage on one of our servers that has release notes
>>> > going
>>> > back to 6.4. However I think Roy was looking for something a bit older
>>> > than that - Btrees definitely weren't new in 6.4.
>>>
>>> 6.4 onward would be very useful to me. Is the webpage you mention on a
>>> server I can see?
>>
>>
>> It is now - ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/release.tar.gz
>
> Thanks for that Paul (and whoever assembled it--?Grant). Unfortunately
> I am never satisfied. Around about Ingres 2.6/0201 the release notes
> stopped including a summary of new features. Presumably there would
> have been a Release Summary PDF instead.
>
> Is there any chance of putting up a complete set of those too?

In ten years time a mysterious figure will be waiting in line clutching a
set of RTI labelled ring binders. Ahead of him in the distance is the
Antiques Roadshow expert who has yet to see the treasures that await him..
;-)

[Roy Hann]

On Web wrote:

> In ten years time a mysterious figure will be waiting in line clutching a
> set of RTI labelled ring binders. Ahead of him in the distance is the
> Antiques Roadshow expert who has yet to see the treasures that await him..

You mean the beige vinyl binders? With brown lettering? :-) Or the
later white ones?

[Paul Mason]

2009/1/8 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

Paul Mason wrote:

> 2009/1/5 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

>
>> Paul Mason wrote:
>>
>> > We do have a webpage on one of our servers that has release notes going
>> > back to 6.4. However I think Roy was looking for something a bit older
>> > than that - Btrees definitely weren't new in 6.4.
>>
>> 6.4 onward would be very useful to me.  Is the webpage you mention on a
>> server I can see?
>
>

> It is now - ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/release.tar.gz

Thanks for that Paul (and whoever assembled it--?Grant).  Unfortunately
I am never satisfied.  Around about Ingres 2.6/0201 the release notes
stopped including a summary of new features.  Presumably there would
have been a Release Summary PDF instead.

Is there any chance of putting up a complete set of those too?

I've put up what I could find here:

ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/rel_sum.zip

I checked the install media for 2.6/0201, /0207 and /0305 and although there is documentation in PDF there's no release summary. I did find an old Tech Doc with a guide to new 2.6 Features, so I included that.

The other PDFs are all from install media too. I'm aware the rs_303.pdf contains references to 3.0.2 but it is from 3.0.3 (I'll leave you to find the subtle difference between that and the 3.0.2 version)

HTH

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"Roy Hann" <spec...@processed.almost.meat> wrote in message

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> On Web wrote:
>
>
>> In ten years time a mysterious figure will be waiting in line clutching a
>> set of RTI labelled ring binders. Ahead of him in the distance is the
>> Antiques Roadshow expert who has yet to see the treasures that await
>> him..
>
> You mean the beige vinyl binders? With brown lettering? :-) Or the
> later white ones?

I have resisted the temptation to invent a set of ring binders of a
different colour with the text "advanced internals" on the outside. I
wouldn't want to QUEL your enthusiasm.. ;-)

[Roy Hann]

Paul Mason wrote:

> 2009/1/8 Roy Hann <spec...@processed.almost.meat>

>
>> Is there any chance of putting up a complete set of those too?
>>
>>
> I've put up what I could find here:
>
> ftp://ftp.ingres.com/outgoing/relnotes/rel_sum.zip
>
> I checked the install media for 2.6/0201, /0207 and /0305 and although there
> is documentation in PDF there's no release summary. I did find an old Tech
> Doc with a guide to new 2.6 Features, so I included that.
>
> The other PDFs are all from install media too. I'm aware the rs_303.pdf
> contains references to 3.0.2 but it is from 3.0.3 (I'll leave you to find
> the subtle difference between that and the 3.0.2 version)

Thank you again Paul.