IIUG refuses to link to OpenSource Aubit 4gl project (was:
Sheila Fule-de Leon
Count me in..
Fernando Ortiz wrote:
> Keep going Andrej!
>
> If you need a list of IIUG members interested in the Aubit project count
> with me.
>
> I have downloaded the source and linux port from
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/aubit4gl and seams pretty interesting.
>
> Of course it's need more development but also a LOT MORE of users feedback.
>
> Good Luck
>
> Fernando Ortiz
> IIUG Member 14814
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrej Falout" <afa...@xtra.co.nz>
> To: <inform...@iiug.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:38 PM
> Subject: IIUG refuses to link to OpenSource Aubit 4gl project (was: FW:
> [Announcing] Aubit 4gl...)
>
> | Hi *,
> |
> | Summary: we asked IIUG to inform it's membership about existence of
> | Aubit project, by putting a link to Aubit 4gl compiler OpenSource
> | project, considering it relevant to IIUG membership. (See below for
> | argumentation) We did not ask any more then to be among the links of
> | "Mosaic/SQL gateway" and "Some articles and scripts under the heading
> | 'Resources'" kind, that already exist on IIUG
> | http://www.iiug.org/ver1/resources/online_resources.html page.
> |
> | Outcome: IIUG president and Board refused to let there membership know
> | about Aubit project, even to put link to our Aubit project on there web
> | site.
> |
> | Please see below for details - following my message, there is full
> | history of discussion.
> |
> | In my view, it is another selfish decision of IIUG, that clearly
> | represents interests of IBM/Informix and it's partners, and IIUG
> | officials, and NOT interests of there membership, and community of
> | professionals that use Informix database related software. I find it
> | exponentially ironic, that new owner of Informix, IBM, is one of
> | brightest examples of corporate understanding and support for OpenSource
> | software community.
> |
> | Informix never had any understanding for there user base, and especially
> | there developers. That is why we now call there products by IBM name. I
> | see the disease itself is alive and well in IIUG house.
> |
> | I wonder if they plan to remove all the links to "vendors, including
> | 4Js, one of our
> | sponsors.". Not that I have anything against 4Js, 4Js is good for 4gl
> | community, but I find it ironic that at the time of this writing, big
> | 4Js logo and link shines in all it's glory on IIUG web site HOME PAGE,
> | with "Thank you" note of "for providing us with their software at no
> | cost to manage our new membership and voting area." kind, and the same
> | time refusing to inform there membership even about the existence of
> | project that can provide them AND there members with the absolutely free
> | software. Thank you for free software, just as long it's free only for
> | us.
> |
> | Or maybe it is just because Aubit 4gl is not a vendor, so we cannot
> | "sponsor" them?
> |
> | Let me comment for a second on argumentation: "your request falls
> | outside of the scope of services we provide our membership". Remember
> | IIUG software repository? You know, free Informix products related
> | software you can download for free? Is this s joke?
> |
> | Oracle International user group OTOH have a new Special Interest Group:
> | "Informix-To-Oracle SIG"
> |
> | http://www.ioug.org/ioug_p/dynamic_pkg.show?v_name=SIG_HOME_PAGE
> |
> | This is also my public goodbye to IIUG. No, I will not stay in touch,
> | Federico. Each second spent on you and people like you is too much.
> | Please remove me from your membership.
> |
> | Good night, IIUG,
> |
> | Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | WITHOUT READING.
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Federico (Fred) Hubbard [mailto:f.hu...@att.net]
> | Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 12:10
> | To: afa...@ihug.co.nz
> | Cc: IIUG Board of Directors
> | Subject: RE: [Announcing] Aubit 4gl...
> |
> |
> | Andrej, once again, thanks for your interest in IIUG. We have discussed
> | your
> | request within the IIUG Board of Directors and our consensus was that
> | your
> | request falls outside of the scope of services we provide our
> | membership.
> | While we do keep our members abreast of IBM Informix-specific product
> | and
> | services news, we don't do this for other vendors, including 4Js, one of
> | our
> | sponsors.
> |
> | We wish you well with Aubit 4GL and would encourage you to remain in
> | touch
> | with IIUG.
> |
> | Best regards,
> |
> | Federico (Fred) Hubbard
> | IIUG President
> | www.IIUG.org
> |
> | Direct: 520-400-2415
> | Fax: 435-304-0512
> |
> | -----Original Message-----
> | From: Andrej Falout [mailto:afa...@xtra.co.nz]
> | Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 8:11 PM
> | To: f.hu...@att.net
> | Cc: Aubit4gl
> | Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible OpenSource
> | GNU compiler project
> |
> |
> | Hello Federico,
> |
> | thank you for your reply. I hope you got closer to "business as usual"
> | by
> | now. Aubit 4gl project is also "organization
> | run by volunteers", so I know how you feel.
> |
> | > Can you share some Aubit 4GL success stories and testimonials? That
> would
> | be
> | > helpful.
> |
> | I'm not sure I see the connection. We are not trying to sell you
> | anything.
> | Aubit 4gl a OpenSource _PROJECT_, General
> | public Licensed (GPL) software, and you can think about it as being
> | _FREE_
> | both as in "free beer" and "free speech".
> |
> | We do not have "marketing department" that produces "success stories and
> | testimonials" on demand. We are not a
> | commercial company. But if you would like to publicize it on your web
> | site,
> | we can put together overview of the project,
> | or similar document. If that was your intention, please take a look at
> | our
> | existing web site(s) and let us know if you
> | see something you like.
> |
> | However, what we do have, is a public development project, developing
> | software that is interesting to at least 50% of
> | your membership, by your own statistics, and to more then 2 million
> | Informix-4GL developers world-wide, by Informix
> | statistics.
> |
> | A project with 5 main contributors/developers (that include one of this
> | years IIUGGY awards winners) and more then 50
> | members.
> |
> | We are not asking you to recommend Aubit 4gl in any way; we are not
> | asking
> | you to buy anything; we would like you to
> | help us spread the word, and benefit you members.
> |
> | Only thing we are asking, is for IIUG to inform it's membership about
> | existence of this project.
> |
> | For instance, on your "Online Resource" page:
> |
> | http://www.iiug.org/ver1/resources/online_resources.html
> |
> | you have links to such things as "Mosaic/SQL gateway" and "Some
> | articles
> | and scripts under the heading 'Resources'".
> | Without tying to evaluate current usefulness of this kind of links to
> | your
> | membership, if you visit:
> |
> | http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> |
> | and
> |
> | https://sourceforge.net/projects/aubit4gl/
> |
> | I hope that you will agree that they are of interest to your
> | membership, at
> | least as much as your current "Online
> | resources" links. Same can probably be applied to your email newsletter.
> |
> | To summarize, if you can please add a link to Aubit 4gl project on your
> | "Online resources" page, and one of your email
> | newsletters, we would very much appreciate it, and we believe that your
> | membership will do likewise.
> |
> | Thank you for your time,
> |
> | Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | WITHOUT
> | READING.
> |
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Federico (Fred) Hubbard [mailto:f.hu...@att.net]
> | > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2001 06:17
> | > To: afa...@ihug.co.nz
> | > Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible OpenSource
> | > GNU compiler project
> | >
> | >
> | > Andrej, as you may know, IIUG is an organization run by volunteers.
> We've
> | > just completed what has probably been the busiest half year in our
> history
> | > through IIC. While I wish I had been able to respond to you sooner, the
> | > reality is that I have been swamped after the event and trying to get
> back
> | > to business as usual ever since. If you are willing to work with our
> pace,
> | > we will be happy to work with you too.
> | >
> | > Can you share some Aubit 4GL success stories and testimonials? That
> would
> | be
> | > helpful.
> | >
> | > Regards,
> | >
> | > Federico (Fred) Hubbard
> | > IIUG President
> | > www.IIUG.org
> | >
> | > Direct: 520-400-2415
> | > Fax: 435-304-0512
> | >
> | >
> | > -----Original Message-----
> | > From: Andrej Falout [mailto:afa...@xtra.co.nz]
> | > Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 6:02 PM
> | > To: f.hu...@att.net
> | > Cc: fr...@iiug.org; in...@iiug.org
> | > Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible OpenSource
> | > GNU compiler project
> | >
> | >
> | > Hi again Federico,
> | >
> | > Informix web site states:
> | >
> | > http://www.informix.com/idn-secure/Dyna4GL/WebPages/dyna4gl.htm
> | >
> | > "We appreciate our more than 2 million Informix 4GL developers..."
> | >
> | > According to your own survey, almost 40 % of Informix database users use
> | 4GL
> | > environments for application development:
> | >
> | > http://www.iiug.org/ver1/news/toolsurvey.pdf
> | >
> | > And there must be some more of them in category "Other" (13 %), that
> | include
> | > D4GL and 4Js BDL.
> | >
> | > There is obviously no shortage of interest, or lack of support for 4GL
> | > language and products among Informix/IBM database
> | > users. I would believe that IIUG, as organization crated to represent
> | there
> | > interests, should reflect that.
> | >
> | > Therefore, I would hope that IIUG members would benefit from knowing
> that
> | > Aubit 4gl project exists. Which is all that we
> | > are asking from you.
> | >
> | > Even if the answer is "no", I would appreciate your reply.
> | >
> | > Kind regards,
> | >
> | > Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | > Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | > PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | WITHOUT
> | > READING.
> | >
> | > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > From: Andrej Falout [mailto:afa...@xtra.co.nz]
> | > > Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2001 17:57
> | > > To: f.hu...@att.net
> | > > Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible OpenSource
> | > > GNU compiler project
> | > >
> | > >
> | > > Federico?
> | > >
> | > > Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | > > Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | > http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | > > PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | > WITHOUT READING.
> | > >
> | > > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > > From: Andrej Falout [mailto:afa...@xtra.co.nz]
> | > > > Sent: Friday, 9 November 2001 12:00
> | > > > To: f.hu...@att.net
> | > > > Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible
> OpenSource
> | > > > GNU compiler project
> | > > >
> | > > >
> | > > > Hi Federico,
> | > > >
> | > > > here comes early November.
> | > > >
> | > > > How about a little note on IIUG web site and IIUG alerts mailings,
> to
> | > let your members know about Aubit 4gl?
> | > > >
> | > > > Thank you for your support,
> | > > >
> | > > > Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | > > > Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | > http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | > > > PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | > WITHOUT READING.
> | > > >
> | > > > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > > > From: Federico (Fred) Hubbard [mailto:f.hu...@att.net]
> | > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2001 12:51
> | > > > > To: afa...@ihug.co.nz
> | > > > > Subject: RE: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible
> | OpenSource
> | > > > > GNU compiler project
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Andrej, thanks for your announcement and interest in IIUG. At this
> | > time we
> | > > > > are very busy with final preparations for the upcoming IBM
> Informix
> | > > > > Conference. Let's talk in early November.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Regards,
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Federico (Fred) Hubbard
> | > > > > IIUG President
> | > > > > www.IIUG.org
> | > > > >
> | > > > > See you at the IBM Informix Conference!
> | > > > > Las Vegas, Oct. 21-25
> | > > > > www.TheNextStep.net
> | > > > >
> | > > > > -o-
> | > > > >
> | > > > > UPnAbove - Strategic Software Services
> | > > > > www.UPnAbove.com
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Direct: 520-760-2758
> | > > > > Mobile: 520-400-2415
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> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > > -----Original Message-----
> | > > > > From: owner-d4...@iiug.org
> [mailto:owner-d4...@iiug.org]On
> | > > > > Behalf Of Andrej Falout
> | > > > > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2001 7:42 PM
> | > > > > To: d4gl-...@iiug.org
> | > > > > Subject: [Announce] Aubit 4gl, Informix-4gl compatible OpenSource
> | GNU
> | > > > > compiler project
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > > 07/10/2001
> | > > > >
> | > > > > To Informix and 4gl developer and user communities
> | > > > >
> | > > > > One of biggest prerequisites to entering corporate space for any
> | > platform is
> | > > > > availability of business oriented
> | > > > > applications. Linux and OpenSource software in general made a big
> | > progress
> | > > > > in that direction, but OpenSource tools
> | > > > > required to write business related, database oriented applications
> | are
> | > still
> | > > > > in short supply. In traditional corporate
> | > > > > IT space, Fourth Generation Languages are important part of
> | Corporate
> | > IT
> | > > > > infrastructure. Aubit 4GL compiler project is
> | > > > > an attempt to fill this gap.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Aubit 4gl development team has today announced phase 2 in the
> | > development of
> | > > > > Aubit 4gl compiler. Until today, we limited
> | > > > > the number of developers that participated on the project. We now
> | feel
> | > that
> | > > > > Aubit 4gl is ready for a wider audience, and
> | > > > > are ready to start phase 2 of the project.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > "Aubit 4GL" (A4GL) is an Informix(TM)-4GL compatible compiler
> | > initially
> | > > > > developed by Mike Aubury, of Aubit Computing
> | > > > > Ltd. On top of I-4GL compatibility it already provides many
> | additional
> | > > > > functional, architectural and syntax
> | > > > > enhancements. Our ultimate goal is to make a familiar, successful,
> | > robust
> | > > > > and productive environment of 4gl database
> | > > > > oriented programming language even more appealing to database
> | > applications
> | > > > > software developers.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > As of today, the development of A4GL is entering a new phase.
> | > Distributed
> | > > > > under GPL/GNU license, the compiler will
> | > > > > continue to be developed and maintained as OpenSource cooperative
> | > project
> | > > > > open to all interested individuals and
> | > > > > organizations.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > OpenSource development will be coordinated from, and hosted by
> | > SourceForge,
> | > > > > with full set of development environment
> | > > > > tools at the disposal to participating developers, all accessible
> | over
> | > the
> | > > > > Internet, to facilitate the distributed
> | > > > > development process.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > All interested individuals and organizations, including commercial
> | > vendors,
> | > > > > are invited to join us in this development
> | > > > > process. Please visit Aubit 4gl home page for more information,
> | source
> | > code
> | > > > > download, precompiled binary builds and
> | > > > > manuals.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Please note that there are many different ways you can participate
> | in
> | > the
> | > > > > development process, from developing the
> | > > > > source code itself, enhancing the documentation and managing parts
> | of
> | > > > > development process, to using the compiler,
> | > > > > reporting problems and participating in discussions. As with any
> | other
> | > > > > OpenSource project, all are equally important for
> | > > > > the success of our
> | > > > > project, and are equally appreciated.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Please consider this announcement as an open invitation to join us
> | in
> | > > > > providing more alternatives to developers and
> | > > > > users that appreciate the productive environment of 4gl language.
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Please visit:
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Aubit 4gl home page:
> | > > > > http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net/
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Aubit 4gl project development home:
> | > > > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/aubit4gl/
> | > > > >
> | > > > > For Aubit 4GL development team,
> | > > > > Andrej Falout
> | > > > >
> | > > > > Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | > > > > Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | > http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | > > > > PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED
> AUTOMATICALLY
> | > WITHOUT
> | > > > > READING.
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | > > > >
> | >
> | >
> | >
> |
> |
> |
> | --
> | Yours, Andrej Falout, http://www.falout.com/disclaimer.html
> | Visit the OpenSource alternative, Aubit 4gl:
> | http://aubit4gl.sourceforge.net
> | PLEASE NOTE: All HTML email sent to me WILL BE DELETED AUTOMATICALLY
> | WITHOUT READING.
> |
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