I Don't Want A Machinist To Modify "My Part" / Why Would A Machinist Need To Modify A Customers Part?
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
brew...@aol.com
While you claim you have to figure out design intent and are
arbitrarily hacking and whacking customer supplied models so you can
machine them per your previous posts Jon, what EXACTLY does your
engineering department do?
Tom
jon_banquer
Cliff
wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world.
What idiot put you in charge of making all the scrap?
>The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc.
Who know what they are doing, can actually use a CAD & a CAM
system, make good parts, own shops, can read the prints, make
customers happy, etc.
> For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
>
>http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Gee, what a GREAT CAM programming system !!!
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
Still drooling.
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
barn_...@excite.com
In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
http://members.tripod.com/barn_rubble/
Jon Banqueer
In da dumpster, CA
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
barn_...@excite.com
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, Ca
I thought you didn't read my posts??? Only took you 2 minutes to
reply.
Liar....liar....you're lil gay pants are on fire !!!!
http://members.tripod.com/barn_rubble/
Barn
jon_banquer
barn_...@excite.com
Barn
jon_banquer
Cliff
>
>> Jon Banquer
>> San Diego, Ca
>
>I thought you didn't read my posts??? Only took you 2 minutes to
>reply.
He posts replies to mine as well. It shows in the headers.
>Liar....liar....you're lil gay pants are on fire !!!!
>
>http://members.tripod.com/barn_rubble/
>
>Barn
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
(outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
BottleBob
Gerald Abrahamson wrote:
> <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion...
> I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
GA:
What is this? A battle of the copy/past trolls?
--
BottleBob
http://home.earthlink.net/~bottlbob
jon_banquer
The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
Keep watching this video over and over and over till you get a clue.
It was made to help morons like you get a clue.
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
mich
"Gerald Abrahamson" <jer...@visi.com> wrote in message
news:5er684t3rlsgf58m9...@4ax.com...
Howe often does a machinist even know what the part he is working on is
really intended to do when fitted in the overall piece of equipment? After
some people have put their best effort in designing something with x number
of parts it would be pretty arrogant for one person to decide that the
designer is innept and he knows better.
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Joe788
What's going to be your excuse when you get fired?
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
mich
"Joe788" <joema...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:60f0e85c-87af-460d...@f1g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
The place didn't apreciate his people skills?
brew...@aol.com
[
I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't
be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in
almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I
have to say and wants to work with me.
]- Jon Banquer -
[
Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next generation
of CAM: www.hsmworks.com
]-Jon Banquer-
[
I understand why your shop did not go with HSMWorks. We have a lot of
work to do.
] - Jon Banquer
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jon working @ HSMWorks
Sales
"Squeal like the raped little bitch your crack addicted whore mother
turned you into." -Jon Banquer- 2007
Training
"That you continue to be too fucking stupid to figure it out is really
not my problem, dipshit. Now get on your knees and let your crack
whore mother do what she does best.... fuck you in the ass with a
strap-on you stupid lying little cunt." -Jon Banquer- 2007
"Figure it out for yourself or have your worthless crack whore mother
explain it to you while your father is pimping her out" - Jon Banquer-
2007
"Yeah, I'll get right on spending my time educating a dumb mother
fucker like you right away. You will get what I choose to give you
when I choose to give it to you, bitch. -Jon Banquer- 2007
"Now get back on your knees and let your crack whore mother keep
fucking you in the ass because that's what both you and her really
know best." -Jon Banquer- 2007
"Now do what you do best and go back to playing with your nuts, son."
- Jon Banquer- 2007
Customer Service
"Here is your "apology": Fuck off and die you worthless, lying fucking
drunk." -Jon Banquer- 2007
"Now bend over and keep taking it in the ass you lying little bitch."
-Jon Banquer-
"The only thing bottom of the barrel is where these motherfuckers will
be found by the time I'm done fucking with them." -Jon Banquer-
Employee Daycare Center
"Humiliation is you being sodomized by your mother wearing a strap-on.
Did your father suck off your mother's strap-on before she sodomized
you?" - Jon Banquer-
Human Resources
"You like being bent over and taking it in the ass don't you? " -Jon
Banquer-
Group Therapy
"Seems like you wanna talk about you crack addicted whore of a mother
who fucks you in the ass with her strap-on instead." -Jon Banquer-
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
[
Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot
control what people are writing on the web. Anybody can get
evaluation licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves. I hope this
clarifies any doubt.
] - HSMWorks ApS -
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
mich
"jon_banquer" <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:594f01fe-5a1e-4665...@x36g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Does the video also teach how to cover your ass when the plane crashes
because some moron decided to "modify" a part?
jon_banquer
Cliff
Many of them did & he had to leave the others in a hurry.
BS & hype seems to work with some for about 3 months max.
That's about long enough for the scrap to come back with
lawyers I suppose.
On the bright side for some, if you want to look at it
that way, he seems to spend his time making claimed MDI edits
to simple 2 1/2 axes code rather than actually making many
parts/scrap.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
Pretty good CAM program, is it?
And SE is now garbage already?
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
Always a hoot !!
--
Cliff
Cliff
He did not have Spaceclaim to hack-n-whack CNC MDI code
or the customer's designs with.
Hence the (sole feature) 1" thru holes were off by a foot and
drilled as 1/2" dia to half depth and outside the stock anywqy.
Nor did they buy him his special unfried high-bread & unseemed
"machining tips & tricks" fasteners to use with his holes
(see "SPECIALIST BOLTS"):
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/expatjokes/engineering.html
Now, on to those 3 ring binders:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jvdkuyp/flash/see.htm
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
In reply to:
[
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 12:09:57 -0700 (PDT), Joe788 <joema...@aol.com> wrote:
>What's going to be your excuse when you get fired?
]
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
Makes sense to me.
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>In my opinion
[
I'm committed to working with HSMWorks to doing just that. Shouldn't
be too hard because their head of US operations and I see things in
almost the exact same way and because HSMWorks is interested in what I
have to say and wants to work with me.
]- Jon Banquer -
[
Who I'm working with to deliver what truly will be the next generation
of CAM: www.hsmworks.com
]-Jon Banquer-
[
I understand why your shop did not go with HSMWorks. We have a lot of
work to do.
] - Jon Banquer
"Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way and that we cannot
control what people are writing on the web."
"Anybody can get evaluation licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves."
"I hope this clarifies any doubt."
Get it fixed right already, clueless?
--
Cliff
Cliff
[
Most aerospace shops that I have been in, or worked for, who
did 2 1/2 axis mill thru 5 axis positioning, you edited the program
that came out of the programming office and when
it was optimized, you saved it back to a shop floor PC.
When the program needed to be run again this optimized
NC program is what was used. I can think of very few situations,
where the program the was originally created in the
engineering office, (unless it was extremely simple) did
not need plenty of editing at the CNC machine.
] - jon banquer
<snicker>
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
They hired you.
They can't afford--or know how--to find and hire real, good,
workers.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
LOL !!
Never heard of you before. But the folks on this and many
other newsgroups have heard of--and personally used--the
stuff made on the machines we built.
What is the name of that <machine?> shop again? Does it have
the name "liquor store" in its title?
I am the one with the money--to have my product made.
If you got a problem with that, then you are out of
business.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
(outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....
jon_banquer
The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
Keep watching this video over and over and over till you get a clue.
It was made to help morons like you get a clue.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
(outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
(outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....
jon_banquer
The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
Keep watching this video over and over and over till you get a clue.
It was made to help morons like you get a clue.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
tnik
> On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 07:17:47 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>> who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>> world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>> Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>> worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>> ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>> in order to make it.
>
>
> That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
>
> And real machinists make the parts per the print.
>
> You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
>
> If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
> (outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
> to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
> coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
>
I agree 100%
Many a times we look at a print and say to ourselves 'WTF?' but to cover
our own asses, we make it to print. now, if its not possible, we go back
to the customer and ask, but we NEVER change a customers print/part
without having prior written consent..
tnik
Oh, and to add to that, if you make it to print, and its wrong, the
customer has to float the bill.. if you change it, and the idiots at QC
don't know it was changed for the better, you have to remake it on your
dime, have it pass QC, then have it get to the guys that will realized
'oh crap, this is wrong' lets remake it..
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
Their success was before you got there Jon, as your work history shows
given enough time you'll reverse that trend for them.
Tom
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Still waiting for an answer JON
[
http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206/
I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be
asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them
manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants
to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more
and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed
model.
] -Jon Banquer-
[
Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet.
] -Jon Banquer-
Wait a min. first you said you had to modify customer files, NOW you
say your company has an engineering department. What exactly does your
engineering department do?
[
Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it
might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like
a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break
anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time.
] -Jon Banquer-
Now you have to change customer files and determine design OFTEN, so
what exactly is your engineering department do while a machinist is
hacking and whacking controlled documents such as customer supplied
solids?
[
So Jon, if your statements are true and you really do all of this
stuff, what exactly does your engineering department do?
]-brewertr-
[
Many shops do, Brewer you're just too ignorant / dumb to understand
this.
] -Jon Banquer
THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL OVER THE NET THESE PAST FEW
MONTHS JON. You have been saying "YOU" have to do it. Now you are
changing your story (lie) because you let it slip that your company
has an engineering department.
So Jon, if your statements are true, what exactly does your
engineering department do while you are trying to determine customer
design intent, hacking and whacking controlled documents otherwise
known as customers supplied models?
Tom
IYM
the machinist. However, before said part ever gets to the machinist, you
have to have a design review in which the machining supervisor, design eng.,
and planner/scheduler go over the print. It is then, that the mfg
department has the duty after looking at the print to ask if the eng. if
he's had his head up his ass when he designed that (fill in the blank with
undercut, relief, etc.) and "how the !@# are we supposed to machine that you
idiot", and make a suggestion that would be easier, quicker, realistic, etc.
At that point the eng. will let him know why he did what he did, and if it
can be changed. If it was a customer specified feature, then you can go
back to them and get it changed if possible...What a concept, eh? 100%
correct that a machinist does not change a customer part, and also 100% does
a eng. not change a customer designed feature without approval to do so,
whether that was given in advance or not...
IYM
"tnik" <kortj...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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brew...@aol.com
Jon doesn't really change customer files he simply lied about his job
to support a point he was trying to make in his CAD/CAM Jihad-De-Dour.
Of course you can correct me if I am wrong here Jon by responding to
this:
[
http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206/
I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be
asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them
manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants
to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more
and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed
model.
] -Jon Banquer-
[
Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet.
] -Jon Banquer-
Wait a min. first you said you had to modify customer files, NOW you
say your company has an engineering department.
What exactly does your engineering department do?
[
Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it
might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like
a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break
anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time.
] -Jon Banquer-
Now you have to OFTEN change customer files and determine their design
intent. So what exactly is your engineering department do while their
brew...@aol.com
>>Many a times we look at a print and say to ourselves 'WTF?' but to cover
>>our own asses, we make it to print. now, if its not possible, we go back
>>to the customer and ask, but we NEVER change a customers print/part
>>without having prior written consent..
>
>Jon doesn't really change customer files he simply lied about his job
>to support a point he was trying to make in his CAD/CAM Jihad-De-Dour.
Honesty is not a Jon Banquer strong point however he is really good at
copy, pasting, plagiarizing & parroting though. Jon calls it his 3
P's:
plagiarizing
parroting
pasting
Not to be confused with everyone else's 7 P's:
Proper
Prior
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance
brew...@aol.com
>...or you go the way we do at my company. Engineers design the parts, not
>the machinist. However, before said part ever gets to the machinist, you
>have to have a design review in which the machining supervisor, design eng.,
>and planner/scheduler go over the print. It is then, that the mfg
>department has the duty after looking at the print to ask if the eng. if
>he's had his head up his ass when he designed that (fill in the blank with
>undercut, relief, etc.) and "how the !@# are we supposed to machine that you
>idiot", and make a suggestion that would be easier, quicker, realistic, etc.
>At that point the eng. will let him know why he did what he did, and if it
>can be changed.
Sounds like your design reviews are adversarial and IMO not a good
team building technique.
I prefer questions & suggestions to accusations & name calling,
something along the lines of:
We can save money if we increase the corner radius in this
pocket. What is the largest radius we can put here?
On those edges, we can save a tool change if it were a champher
rather than a radius.
The callout for these ID threads will require special tooling and
process. We can save money if we increase the drill depth or the
thread depth callout?
Tom
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
IYM
that I guess did not come across...Our design reviews are held as I
described, without name calling, etc. and pretty much go the way you
describe. I actually enjoy them even though it usually will require some
kind of changes afterwards by myself. I'm 38, and I'm always learning
something new during the reviews, whether it's a trick, or why we're going
to run it on one machine or another....It helps for the next time I design
something and you're never finish learning...Sorry my joke didn't come
across, but we do joke in the meetings where I occasionally throw in the
classic "well it looks good on the screen, what's the problem?" :)
IYM
<brew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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gk
Jonnie, you moron, where did he ask you for a job???
Please try and keep up.
gk
gk
Jonnie, you dipshit, he didn't ask you for a job!
gk
gk
Fortunately, no one cares about your opinion, Jonnie.
gk
brew...@aol.com
>Tom - I was joking in the "eng vs. machinist", elbow to the ribs kind of way
>that I guess did not come across...Our design reviews are held as I
>described, without name calling, etc. and pretty much go the way you
>describe. I actually enjoy them even though it usually will require some
>kind of changes afterwards by myself. I'm 38, and I'm always learning
>something new during the reviews, whether it's a trick, or why we're going
>to run it on one machine or another....It helps for the next time I design
>something and you're never finish learning...Sorry my joke didn't come
>across, but we do joke in the meetings where I occasionally throw in the
>classic "well it looks good on the screen, what's the problem?" :)
>
>IYM
:) or <G> would have helped me but nothing for you to apologize for
it's just that people have written the same as you where I thought
they were joking and they weren't!
Tom
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
That is why I am spending money buying machining work.
And real machinists make the parts per the print.
You are a self-proclaimed incompetent boob.
If you changed/modified any customer parts as you chose
(outside print specifications), you would not get paid due
to the 100% rejection rate. Paying customers would stop
coming to your shop (hmm, is this your real life ???).
And that would put any place you worked out of business....
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
They hired you.
They can't afford--or know how--to find and hire real, good,
workers.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
LOL !!
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
They hired you.
They can't afford--or know how--to find and hire real, good,
workers.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
LOL !!
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
tnik
kinda like the old saying, you catch more flies with honey than you do
with shit pouring out of your mouth ;)
Cliff
wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
>
>Keep watching this video over and over and over till you get a clue.
>It was made to help morons like you get a clue.
>
>http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Does "The place I work" use or have a legal copy of Spaceclaim?
Nope.
Do they have SE with ST?
Nope.
Do they have a clueless moron?
Yep.
How long did all the prior firms last? 3 months max?
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
Wearing out the welcome there too, eh?
She kept the dog, right?
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
Cliff
>On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:43:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
><jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>>
>>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
>
>They hired you.
>
>They can't afford--or know how--to find and hire real, good,
>workers.
This is similar to his own comments (whining) when
he first "arrived" in the San Diego area after having to
leave Phoenix (where he went due to it's low humidity for his
nose problems) whence he had had to run to from Tampa
which he had run to from CT.
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
Cliff
wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
For comment ....
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
Cliff
>
>And real machinists make the parts per the print.
They first have to be real machinists AND be
able to read prints, do simple trig & shop math, etc.
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jon,
For a guy that says he never reads Cliff's post you sure answer them
real fast......LOL.....another promise broken another lie exposed.
Keep op the good work Jon.
Gerald Abrahamson
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>in order to make it.
I know how manufacturing works in the real world.
jon_banquer
who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
in order to make it.
http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
GORF
"jon_banquer" <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:c5a047b4-7283-4053...@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
Bullshit jon any competant machinist simply makes the fucking part to
whatever the current spec ( he might question the engineering team ) but
when it's finished its to the supplied blue print and /or electronic model
that he last had in hand there's no if and or butts here...and if someone
gets killed as a result he wont even give a single fucking flying rats ass
one way or the other but if you Jack his ass around with pay rates then
suddenly he's quit and now he's working for your competition.
--
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Does your baywords blog still link to that copyright piracy site?
madcadman
<brew...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:6n5384dvb8gkems1l...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:43:44 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>>in order to make it.
>>
>>http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
>>
>>Jon Banquer
>>San Diego, CA
>>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
>
> arbitrarily hacking and whacking customer supplied models so you can
> machine them per your previous posts Jon, what EXACTLY does your
> engineering department do?
>
> Tom
Jon's "engineering" department is busy pulling his head out of either (a)
his ass, or (b) the toilet where he is busy "fishing". I heard they needed
a pretty heavy duty winch to extricate the poor bastard.
madcadman
news:sjh98453t1goim7q4...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:45:18 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
> <jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc. For those who think these
>>worthless idiots have a clue perhaps this video will give you some
>>ideas why a machinist must have the ability to modify a customers part
>>in order to make it.
>>
>>http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
>>
>>Jon Banquer
>>San Diego, CA
>>http://jonbanquer.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
> [
> http://3dcadnews.blog.com/3037206/
> I'm a CNC machinist/CNC programmer and it's quite common for us to be
> asked or just expected to modify customers files to help make them
> manufacturable/ manufacturable at a more reasonable cost. No one wants
> to pay us for lots of hours to figure out their design intent and more
> and more customers want the manufactured model to match the designed
> model.
> ] -Jon Banquer-
>
> [
> Engineers who don't upload current files to our Intranet.
> ] -Jon Banquer-
>
> Wait a min. first you said you had to modify customer files, NOW you
> say your company has an engineering department. What exactly does your
> engineering department do?
>
> [
> Perhaps if you had to deal with this situation as often as I do it
> might not be so funny as you tried to work with a low level tool like
> a roll back bar stepping through a ton of features trying not to break
> anything all the while knowing this was taking way too much time.
> ] -Jon Banquer-
>
> Now you have to change customer files and determine design OFTEN, so
> what exactly is your engineering department do while a machinist is
> hacking and whacking controlled documents such as customer supplied
> solids?
>
> [
> So Jon, if your statements are true and you really do all of this
> stuff, what exactly does your engineering department do?
> ]-brewertr-
>
> [
> Many shops do, Brewer you're just too ignorant / dumb to understand
> this.
> ] -Jon Banquer
>
> THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING ALL OVER THE NET THESE PAST FEW
> MONTHS JON. You have been saying "YOU" have to do it. Now you are
> changing your story (lie) because you let it slip that your company
> has an engineering department.
>
> So Jon, if your statements are true, what exactly does your
> engineering department do while you are trying to determine customer
> design intent, hacking and whacking controlled documents otherwise
> known as customers supplied models?
GORF
<IYM> wrote in message
news:4884e359$0$10967$834e...@reader.greatnowhere.com...
> Tom - I was joking in the "eng vs. machinist", elbow to the ribs kind of
way
> that I guess did not come across...Our design reviews are held as I
> described, without name calling, etc. and pretty much go the way you
> describe. I actually enjoy them even though it usually will require some
> kind of changes afterwards by myself. I'm 38, and I'm always learning
> something new during the reviews, whether it's a trick, or why we're going
> to run it on one machine or another....It helps for the next time I design
> something and you're never finish learning...Sorry my joke didn't come
> across, but we do joke in the meetings where I occasionally throw in the
> classic "well it looks good on the screen, what's the problem?" :)
>
> IYM
>
> news:hel9849gh2f6gmpe4...@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:07:26 -0400, <IYM> wrote:
> >
> >>...or you go the way we do at my company. Engineers design the parts,
not
> >>the machinist. However, before said part ever gets to the machinist,
you
> >>have to have a design review in which the machining supervisor, design
> >>eng.,
> >>and planner/scheduler go over the print. It is then, that the mfg
> >>department has the duty after looking at the print to ask if the eng. if
> >>he's had his head up his ass when he designed that (fill in the blank
with
> >>undercut, relief, etc.) and "how the !@# are we supposed to machine that
> >>you
> >>idiot", and make a suggestion that would be easier, quicker, realistic,
> >>etc.
> >>At that point the eng. will let him know why he did what he did, and if
it
> >>can be changed.
> >
> > Sounds like your design reviews are adversarial and IMO not a good
> > team building technique.
> >
> > I prefer questions & suggestions to accusations & name calling,
> > something along the lines of:
> >
> > We can save money if we increase the corner radius in this
> > pocket. What is the largest radius we can put here?
> >
> > On those edges, we can save a tool change if it were a champher
> > rather than a radius.
> >
> > The callout for these ID threads will require special tooling and
> > process. We can save money if we increase the drill depth or the
> > thread depth callout?
> >
>
Hey no problem BUT WOW i'M STILL Curious AT THE PLACE where you work are
most of your contemporaries FUCKING GAYS ALSO ?
--
Cliff
wrote:
In reply to:
[
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 08:43:19 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer <jon_b...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>> And that would put any place you worked out of business....
>
>The place I work is a place that would never employ a moron like you.
>It's also a company that is more successful than you will ever be.
>
>Keep watching this video over and over and over till you get a clue.
>It was made to help morons like you get a clue.
>
>http://www2.spaceclaim.com/LearnMoreNow/ConseptualDemo.aspx
Does "The place I work" use or have a legal copy of Spaceclaim?
Nope.
Do they have SE with ST?
Nope.
Do they have a clueless moron?
Yep.
How long did all the prior firms last? 3 months max?
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
Wearing out the welcome there too, eh?
She kept the dog, right?
]
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
You stole her poor dog?
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>In my opinion
Well, we got what we paid for, right?
Nothng of any value at all.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Sorry my joke didn't come across
It did here.
--
Cliff
Cliff
>you catch more flies with honey than you do
>with shit pouring out of your mouth ;)
Why does jb want all those flies anyway?
Should the SPCA be concerned?
--
Cliff
jon_banquer
> "jon_banquer" <jon_banq...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
The only bullshit is the stuff you’re spreading, Sam. Just because
that's what you do now or that 's what you did at Boeing doesn't mean
that how it's done everywhere.
BTW, I've yet to have a part fly out using my dovetailed and serrated
vise jaws.
jon_banquer
jon_banquer
BTW, Sam did you actually watch the full video or just toss in some
comments?
jeff
MIL-TFP4-1Ce
(Make it like the fucking print for once)
mich
"GORF" <hackma...@mothail.com> wrote in message
news:2KydnaSoErqOwBjV...@scnresearch.com...
JB doesn't aspire to be a "competant machinist" ... he decided to skip that
step completly.
madcadman
used his whack-a-hack method to change the model now its big enough for him
to shove in his mouth as a pacifier. He's such a little baby.....waahhhh
jon_banquer
brew...@aol.com
Other than Jon Banquer does anyone in any of these newsgroups really
want someone like Jon Banquer given tools to easily make arbitrary
changes to their design?
Tom
jon_banquer
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I Don't Want A Machinist To Modify "My Part" / Why Would A Machinist Need To Modify A Customers Part?
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
>who often show they have no idea how manufacturing works in the real
>world. The people who make these kinds of statement are morons like
>Matt Lombard, Joe 788, Tom Brewer, etc.
My meaning has always been, why would anyone want YOU to change their
part!
[
Why would machinists be drawing or designating parts for the shops
customers?
Wouldn't that be a customers/programmers/designers/engineers job
before they would pull a machinist off a machine to draw up their
part?
]-brewertr-
Of course you ever answered those direct on topic questions.
In a small job shop people wear many hats and perform many functions.
In YOUR case this does not apply. In YOUR case you let it slip that
you have an engineering department.
So Jon, what exactly is your engineering department doing while you
are (in your own words) are OFTEN trying to determine customer design
intent where you arbitrarily alter the customer supplied model to make
it "manufacturable"? (also a direct on topic question you never
answered.)
In your words you said you make the model look like the part, real
machinists, real machine shops make the part.
Tom
mich
How fucking funny! JB is now doing a cut'paste of his own postings!
jon_banquer
Cliff
wrote:
>In my opinion the people who make this kind of statement are idiots
And you keep proving it over & over again.
Thanks a heap.
--
Cliff