Jon Hirschtick and the movie 21
fcsuper
presentation at the Tri-Valley SolidWorks User Group (T-VSWUG) kick-
off meeting. He made a comment about Jon Hirschtick (co-founder of
SolidWorks) and the movie 21 almost in passing.
RockSolid Persepctives has a recent article goes into how Jon
Hirschtick was apart of the MIT Blackjack project that the movie 21 is
about; and the T-VSWUG meeting with Vic Leventhal's comments was kinda
in the middle of recent buzz in the SolidWorks community. What makes
this post so awesome is that there is a reply reportedly by Jon
himself about the matter: http://www.rocksolidperspective.com/2008/03/was-he-really.html
(My full article about this event is here: http://www.fcsuper.com/swblog/?p=53)
Matt Lorono
http://sw.fcsuper.com
http://www.fcsuper.com/swblog
jon_banquer
How soon before Jon Hirschtick can solve this problem?
http://machinedesign.com/ContentItem/68359/HowwasthatmodelbuiltSoftwaretellsall.aspx
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
madcadman
news:5df679df-6df6-4aee...@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
Banquer, you're a real dumbass. Sorry folks, had to break that "no crap"
rule for just a minute.
Edward T Eaton
I saw Jon in a Discovery (? maybe History?) Channel program about the
team. There is no 'supposedly' about it. From the show it looked like
he might have been more involved in the investment side to stake the
players, though I understand he is a killer Blackjack player and
(theory) might have been behind developiong some of the strategy.
I've heard some interesting stories from lower level SolidWorks
employees about the issues involved in getting SolidWorks World into
Vegas Casinos, seeing that Jon is banned.
Neat stuff.
Ed
Cliff
wrote:
>How soon before Jon Hirschtick can solve this problem?
It's not a problem for real users with real clues, silly.
And I doubt it solves a thing for large complex models
& assemblies even for utterly clueless newbies.
BTW, Where did that moron go that always whines about
stuff all over the screen? Someplace near San Diego?
--
Cliff
Cliff
>Banquer, you're a real dumbass. Sorry folks, had to break that "no crap"
>rule for just a minute.
He broke it first, last & always.
--
Cliff
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>How soon before Jon Hirschtick can solve this problem?
>
>http://machinedesign.com/ContentItem/68359/HowwasthatmodelbuiltSoftwaretellsall.aspx
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
Jon,
Exactly what problem Jon?
Even your article above says "Problem Solved". All you need is to see
enough value in the add-in to buy it.
Tom
jon_banquer
> rule for just a minute.
Now it's correct, Madcowman.
KMaren
casino in New Orleans with a group of VAR and SW employees and
security all but met him at the door. Security welcomed him to the
room but politely asked him to stay away from the tables.
TOP
ago. I believe McEleney was in on it too. There was a comment made at
SWW in LasVegas the first time SW was there by one or the other that
they were not welcome there. How much you want to bet that SW has more
than paid back Las Vegas by holding SWW there.
TOP
jon_banquer
How much money has been lost because SolidWorks doesn't allow the user
to have quick and easy control over dependencies between part
features? It's much easier to talk about some bullshit Hollywood movie
than to talk about a very real / common problem caused by traditional
history based modelers that needs to be fixed.
Who is going to be the first to blame Microsoft for this problem?
Has UG made a real breakthrough?
http://www.siemens.com/plm/breakthrough/
"Want to know how you can change your design as quickly as you change
your mind? The answer is coming on April 22."
"In two weeks, Siemens PLM Software will announce a major technology
development that has a far-reaching impact on the entire process of
bringing products to market. Want to learn how you can perform ECO's
in seconds instead of minutes or hours?"
madcadman
problem with history-based modelers. The problem is what is missing between
your ears: a brain! Go out and get a life, and leave the poor denizens of
comp.cad.solidworks alone! Nobody here cares about Siemens PLM Software!!!
If we did, we would be hanging out at comp.cad.unigraphics or
comp.cad.solidedge or comp.cad.seamless-hybrid-unified-bullcrap-plm.
jon_banquer
There are major problems with history-based modelers. The problem is
what is missing between your ears: a brain!
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
jon_banquer
throughout its lifecycle and 2) if families of parts are an important
consideration. History based systems preserve "design intent" which is
good, provided design intent doesn't change and is communicated.
Dynamic modeling systems, on the other hand, are better in
environments where designs tend to be one-off, where collaboration
among engineers means many people will be working on the same product
designs and where vast change is anticipated but the NATURE of the
change cannot be anticipated." ... SkiFastBadly
"We design plastic parts that have hundreds of features. Sometimes
it's hard for me to remember how and why I built features the way I
did, and I can imagine it would be really difficult for someone coming
in to the part cold. A dynamic modeler would be great in that
situation." ... Jerry Steiger
jon_banquer
ROTFLMFAO.
http://www.spaceclaim.com/News-and-Events/Press-Releases/08-April-2008.aspx
"Rapid Product Design
For many parts and assemblies that designers create, existing CAD
production systems can get in the way. It can be difficult to
collaborate on other people's designs because of the mix of accidental
and seemingly desired but inevitably complex, inter-relationships of
the model. The very strengths that allow design variations to be
planned can become hindrances to design explorations and
conceptualizing within these systems.
With SpaceClaim Professional 2008, users interact directly with the
model just as they like, making even dramatic design edits naturally,
independent of how they or anyone else got the model to its current
state."
brew...@aol.com
<m...@cadman-nospam.com> wrote:
>Banquer, you once again prove how much of a loser you are. There is no
>problem with history-based modelers. The problem is what is missing between
>your ears: a brain!
He might have skipped a few of the videos.
Tom
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>There are major problems with history-based modelers.
Try watching your videos again...it may help you.
Tom
jon_banquer
a thing from his mistakes.
Ignorant:
"Jon, I never forgot any of your postings about SDRC I made the wrong
decision in spite of what you said. There have been a number of times
that my Wife has told me to be careful in dealing with someone and
after words says "I told you so". She earned the right to say it as
well as you have earned the right to say I TOLD YOU SO. I made a
decision that went against my better judgment and as usual it turned
out poorly." .... Tom Brewer
Ignorant:
"I do not purchase programs unless I know before hand that they are
what I want and/ or need."... Tom Brewer who can't follow his own
advice. See above.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer thinking he and his pals like Joe788 can play their Usenet
staking games, lie on a repeated basis and suffer no consequences for
doing so.
Ignorant:
"I have shot myself in the foot, not an easy thing to do when it is
in your mouth and your head is in your ass."... Tom Brewer admitting
what he's often like.
Ignorant:
Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with
or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now
that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage
of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's
Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped
anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to
answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal
modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done...
now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the
SolidWorks Bible:
"Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...."
Ignorant:
Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I
hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say
that's Tom Brewer.
Ignorant:
Tom Brewer implies that because you acknowledge that the $25
SolidWorks course covers subjects / topics that the $650 SolidWorks
course didn't that you're now somehow an idiot and got screwed when
you decided to purchase the $650 SolidWorks course.
Tom Brewer Writing About SmartCAM:
"I ended up paying a consultant $40.00 per hour for two weeks."
"FYI, when I said "Solid modeling" in reference to SmartCam it was
tongue in cheek. What you could not see is that when I was typing that
I was laughing to myself. Anyone that uses SmartCam and Solid
Modeling in the same sentence cannot be taken seriously."
Recently Tom Brewer said SmartCAM had no user interface problems and
yet the record shows Tom Brewer thinks SmartCAM does indeed have user
interface problems:
"The only real problem that I run into is that the screen can get
cluttered and it becomes difficult to pick and choose elements in Free
Form. I just use the utility masking feature to hide what is in the
way, that cures the problem but it does add work (I tried the snap
filtering and snap options but for me it was not the best way), I
have seen other packages that handle picking and choosing in better."
Conclusion:
Tom Brewer thinks he's a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is
someone who knows more and more about less and less until he knows
absolutely everything about nothing.
jon_banquer
like you who never learns from his mistakes.
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"We design plastic parts that have hundreds of features. Sometimes
>it's hard for me to remember how and why I built features the way I
>did, and I can imagine it would be really difficult for someone coming
>in to the part cold. A dynamic modeler would be great in that
>situation." ... Jerry Steiger
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego, CA
How about you post a link to your quote above so we can read the
original.
Tom
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>makes mistake after mistake after mistake and never learns
>a thing from his mistakes.
Like believing you never chain geometry in GibbsCAM or SmartCAM.
Like believing SmartCAM creates G-Code as you go along and you don't
need a code generator (post processor).
Like being proud a high production machine spends little time
producing.
Like misrepresenting oneself as a developer working with HSMWorks.
Like recommending someone by a CAD/CAM package then later when they
actually get some experience with the program call it crap.
Like spending $600.00 for the SolidProfessor videos thinking they will
make a SW expert.
Yep, that would be Mr. Jon-The-Donk-Bongqueer
jon_banquer
asshole who makes mistake after mistake after mistake. I never seem to
learns from my mistakes. I'm not sure why."
Now it's correct, Brewer.
jon_banquer
> original.
>
> Tom
Read This:
Ignorant:
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Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Conclusion:
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
CarCr...@gmail.com
>
>
> > > Just more from the Babble_Bot
>
> Jon Banquer
> San Diego, CAhttp://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#c...
Jon, you should really golf on fridays....
you could -borrow- some demo balls and REALLY bust some balls around
the course all afternoon,
.....instead of wacking off while trying to type with one hand.
are you a lefty or a righty?
before you reply, I just want to say; duhhhh to any reply from you.
CC
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> How about you post a link to your quote above so we can read the
>> original.
>>
>> Tom
>
>Read This:
Jon,
Well, since you can't post the original source of your quote it must
be another of your forgeries or the original source in context does
not support your position.
Which one is it Jon?
Tom
brew...@aol.com
No Jon, that would be a forged quote from you again. Lets see your
wife was convicted and spent years in prison for forgery and identity
theft. And here you are in cyberspace where you forge quotes and post
under fake identities, seems you make a good couple.
http://blog.novedge.com/2007/07/an-interview-wi.html
[
Franco Folini
UPDATE -- July 8, 2007 -- I had to close this blog post to further
comments and to remove the personal attacks between Jon and some other
newsgroups readers. Before the interview, I made an agreement with Jon
about the style of the interview and the way to handle it. Jon didn't
respect our agreement, posting comments under fake names. Jon's
authentic and fake comments are all posted from the same IP address,
72.199.251.224. I can now see that my trust in Jon was misplaced.
]
Tom
madcadman
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CC
Of course jon "micro-phallus" banquer can't really fondle himself while
typing, he has to spend too much effort locating "tiny" between keystrokes.
jon_banquer
moronic posts off topic posts be explained. Make sure you ask Brewer
for a new picture. Your old picture of Brewer must be pretty worn out
by now.
brew...@aol.com
So what ON TOPIC posts have you made to this group lately?
Cliff
And which, if any, had even half a clue?
--
Cliff
brew...@aol.com
jon_banquer
"As features, history, and parametrics are highly interdependent, the
editing of parameters and feature variables can cause utter havoc in
your part and assembly models -- and the earlier they occur in the
history, the more problematic they become. So, if Pro/E brought about
this state of affairs, SolidWorks took it to the Windows platform and
changed the pricing landscape and everyone else followed. So where do
we go next? One answer is the doorstep of Mike Payne and SpaceClaim
Corporation, and the SpaceClaim Professional 2007 application."
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Ignorant:
Conclusion:
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Ignorant:
Jon-Still-Clueless-Bongqueer
jon_banquer
Now it's correct, Brewer.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
kidnappedb...@gmail.com
> On Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:19:11 -0700 (PDT), jon_banquer
>
> >> How about you post a link to your quote above so we can read the
> >> original.
>
> >> Tom
>
> >Read This:
>
> Jon,
>
> Well, since you can't post the original source of your quote it must
> be another of your forgeries or the original source in context does
> not support your position.
>
> Which one is it Jon?
>
> Tom
Jon came in on a visit a few months back and said that his character
was not portrayed in the movie, and it is highly fictionalized. He
shared some other tidbits, and reminisced on some of his blackjack
days.. Awesome guy for sure.
brew...@aol.com
<jon_b...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Tom-Still-Ignorant-Brewer
Another bandqueer forgery, big surprise.
jon_banquer
Jon should be point and center helping to fix what's wrong with
Solidworks. He helped to create the mess, he can help to fix it. :>)
Cliff
wrote:
>Jon should be point and center helping to fix what's wrong with
>Solidworks. He helped to create the mess, he can help to fix it. :>)
"Works as designed".
Designed as per real customer's & real user's needs & requests.
*Real customer's & real users*.
Poor clueless.
--
Cliff
kidnappedb...@gmail.com
is going. I would point fingers at the CEO. not founder.
j
same path they're on and they could end up where my copy of Autocad sits.
kidnappedb...@gmail.com wrote:
> Jon told us that he basically had nothing to do with where solidworks
> is going. I would point fingers at the CEO. not founder.
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jon_banquer
> Jon told us that he basically had nothing to do with where solidworks
> is going. I would point fingers at the CEO. not founder.
The current SolidWorks CEO, Jeff Ray doesn't appear to have any real
desire to correct this problem until it begins to effect sales.
http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaagax.htm
"As features, history, and parametrics are highly interdependent, the
editing of parameters and feature variables can cause utter havoc in
your part and assembly models -- and the earlier they occur in the
history, the more problematic they become. So, if Pro/E brought about
this state of affairs, SolidWorks took it to the Windows platform and
changed the pricing landscape and everyone else followed. So where do
we go next? One answer is the doorstep of Mike Payne and SpaceClaim
Corporation, and the SpaceClaim Professional 2007 application."
The more I think about this problem, the more I think SolidEdge could
be the product that Siemens / UGS upgrades so they can really go after
SolidWorks.
Jon Banquer
San Diego,CA
Cliff
wrote:
>On Apr 16, 9:19 am, kidnappedbraintea...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Jon told us that he basically had nothing to do with where solidworks
>> is going. I would point fingers at the CEO. not founder.
>
>The current SolidWorks CEO, Jeff Ray doesn't appear to have any real
>desire to correct this problem until it begins to effect sales.
>
>http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaagax.htm
>
>"As features, history, and parametrics are highly interdependent, the
>editing of parameters and feature variables can cause utter havoc in
>your part and assembly models -- and the earlier they occur in the
>history, the more problematic they become. So, if Pro/E brought about
>this state of affairs, SolidWorks took it to the Windows platform and
>changed the pricing landscape and everyone else followed. So where do
>we go next? One answer is the doorstep of Mike Payne and SpaceClaim
>Corporation, and the SpaceClaim Professional 2007 application."
Gee ... so you want to toss out history, parametrics, constraints,
design intent & kernels?
Then switch to something with no CAM at all?
And throw away many years worth of work as well?
>The more I think about this problem, the more I think SolidEdge could
>be the product that Siemens / UGS upgrades so they can really go after
>SolidWorks.
>
>Jon Banquer
>San Diego,CA
Anybody up for a (quick) game of "spot the clueless moron"?
--
Cliff
Cliff
wrote:
>http://www.deskeng.com/articles/aaagax.htm
>
>"As features, history, and parametrics are highly interdependent, the
>editing of parameters and feature variables can cause utter havoc in
>your part and assembly models -- and the earlier they occur in the
>history, the more problematic they become. So, if Pro/E brought about
>this state of affairs, SolidWorks took it to the Windows platform and
>changed the pricing landscape and everyone else followed. So where do
>we go next? One answer is the doorstep of Mike Payne and SpaceClaim
>Corporation, and the SpaceClaim Professional 2007 application."
[
I wish I got a movie of when we gave them (SpaceClaim) a sample file to open and
the program took a big fat dump in front of the sales guy. Thanks but no thanks.
] - kidnapedbrainteaser-
[ Here's a great video on just how awesome using SpaceClaim can be ] - Jon
Banquer-
[
You expect something on its second or first release to be perfect?
] - Jon Banquer
"Please let me clarify that Jon is not affiliated with HSMWorks ApS in any way
and that we cannot control what people are writing on the web."
"Anybody can get evaluation licenses of HSMWorks and test it themselves."
"I hope this clarifies any doubt."
Sometimes a canned video ad full of pretty buzzwords & sales hype is
not real life <G>.
(Buzz)Word Salad strikes again !!!
--
Cliff