Item Balloon for Loctite

[cadman_357]

We use a dummy (blank) part file for loctite, and other adhesives, in
order for these items to show up in our boms.

The part files have no geometry, just an item description, vendor part
number, etc. When creating an assembly model, we insert this file for
the adhesive into the assembly model, fix it in place, and then it
shows up in the bill of materials.

When creating the assembly drawing, I need to shown which fasteners
need loctite. I'd like to use an item balloon for this, but how do I
attach the balloon if there is no visible part to select. I could
pick the fastener, then use custom item balloon text; but if the bom
order is changed, this balloon nubmer will not change accordingly. Is
there a way I can link the loctite balloon item number to the bom item
number?

Rob

[Corey Scheich]

Could you make the loctite a sleve surface and mate it to the bolts. You
could insert the bolts as a sub assy with one config with the loctite and
one without.

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[Wayne Tiffany]

If there's only one Loctite used in the assy, you could make your balloon
text call out "Loctite", rather than "Item 10".

WT

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[Phil Evans]

Put a sketch in the loctite model, when you want to add the balloon ref in
the drawing switch on view sketches in the drawing view, select the sketch
in the loctite model, this will give you the correct balloon ref, then
switch off the view sketches. This method allows auto renumbering of the
loctite balloon ref as well.

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[Sporkman]

Corey Scheich wrote:
>
> Could you make the loctite a sleve surface and mate it to the bolts. You
> could insert the bolts as a sub assy with one config with the loctite and
> one without.

Very simply use a note annotation. After inserting your item number,
select the annotation and in the Property frame on the left select
"Circular" for BORDER, and specify whether you want "Tight Fit" or "One
character" or "Two characters", etc., to jibe with the way you do item
balloons there at your company.

'Sporky'

[Wayne Tiffany]

I don't think it will update with BOM changes, will it?

WT

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[Sporkman]

Wayne Tiffany wrote:
>
> I don't think it will update with BOM changes, will it?
>
> WT

That's correct, Wayne -- it's just a note annotation. It's the simple
solution, but may not be the best solution, especially if changes may be
implemented by someone besides the original designer down the line.

'Sporky'

[Pmwh]

I thought you could select components from the feature manager, but I
just tried in 2003 and it did not work. You should be able to use the
feature manage IMHO. Sounds like you should submit a request to your
VAR for SWX to add this function.

Personally, I don't understand how you can use the default item
number, considering it could change. I guess if your users are
properly trained and understand the software, but still is one more
thing to keep up with. I create a custom field for each part, but I
have the confidence it will not be reordered because I am woring in my
assembly. Still wouldn't help with blank components.

[cadman_357]

Never thought of this approach.

I remember Mechanical Desktop (it makes me shutter just typing those
words) had a part reference that you could added to the drawing. You
placed an * on the drawing sheet and linked it to a part number. Then
when you wanted a ballon to reference your loctite number, you clicked
on the *. When you we're done with your balloons, you toogled the *'s
visiblity Off. I was wondering if SW had something like this.

Thanks for your help.

Rob

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[Eddie Cyganik]

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> When creating the assembly drawing, I need to shown which fasteners
> need loctite. I'd like to use an item balloon for this, but how do I
> attach the balloon if there is no visible part to select. I could
> pick the fastener, then use custom item balloon text; but if the bom
> order is changed, this balloon nubmer will not change accordingly. Is
> there a way I can link the loctite balloon item number to the bom item
> number?

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Rob,
You can attach a balloon to any "phantom" part by selecting the origin of
the part. We have been using this technique for many revisions for our
hydraulic fluids.
The only draw back is the single attach point. In the case of our fluids,
we do a mate offset so that the fluids origin is somewhere in the middle of
our cylinders. A little extra work but it does the job.
An additional suggestion would be to show the origin for the loctite, then
add a "stacked balloon" to the fastener set and end with selection of the
loctite, as the fastener is the item that requires the bulk item.
Give it a try,
Eddie