comp.cad.autocad new newsgroup or failing that alt.cad.autocadlt
Andrew Grillage
I would certainly agree that things are getting out of hand. If I miss a
couple of days, the new messages bury me. I too find that I like to skip
around 50% of the messages. However, it is tricky deciding how to make the
split. My original feeling was that it should be a hardware/software split.
Many questions such as 'I need a plotter driver' or 'what
configuration...?' could be seperated. But then I thought, well what will
probably happen then is everyone would post questions about hardware but
very few would go there to browse and answer questions. The LT split has
its merits but also drawbacks in that 2D is pretty much like for like. Its
true that LT has a different life cycle and cannot make use of the popular
AutoCAD features like 3D and AutoLisp and maybe this is justification.
In the end, this group has to split. It cannot go on growing like this. So
if the LT split is the first step then let it be. I am interested in both
products but would not be crying about it.
Thats my opinion.
Andrew
ken <donotspam...@concentric.net> wrote in article
<33d1f37d...@news.concentric.net>...
> Premises
> 1. IMHO this NG has gotten far too many posts for me and others to
> follow.
> 2. It is far easier to have some people subscribe to 2 newsgroups
> than to try to have most people filter 1/2 of one NG out.
> 3. I have filtered out many words such as microstation etc. and am
> still getting 100 plus posts per day with 50% being out of my area of
> interest or that I would expect to find better examples of elsewhere
> if i was interested in asian girls on a given day...ya know?
> 4. It seems impractical to split acad among disciplines as issues
> like plotting or hardware are useful knowledge for architects,
> mechanical designers and EE (whatever) alike. It seem impractical to
> split 3d for the same reasons.
> 5. Lt has different add-ons, system requirements, menus and new
> versions come out at different times and LT is a good sized chunk of
> the posts here.
> 6. I'll not bore you with the specifics but it's relatively simple to
> start an "alt" NG.
> 7. This is by no means a slap at lt or it's users who are welcome to
> continue to participate here. It would seem to their benefit to not
> be reading about what they are not able to get any use from like
> AutoLISP etc. and time saving for them too.
>
> Therefore:
> I call for opinions as to...
>
> Should AutoCad LT being an entirely separate software application be
> split off unto it's own NG?
>
> Would any of the voters who has time volunteer to do this?
>
> TIA
>
> Ken
>
ken
S. Yoder
Well, let's go look at an alternate.
What does LT & big brother have in common:
- General 2D: commands, ps/ms, dims, xrefs
- Minor 3D: Z-axis wireframe, extrusion (aka thickness)
- Basic hardware: Plotters, comps, processors, mice, tablets
- Basic bugs: EREAD, GPF, Unhandled Exception
- Drafting: Standards, practices, layers, linetypes
- Customization: Menus, toolbars, deisel, VB, blocks, slides
- Import/Export: DXF, EPS, WMF, other CAD pkgs files
What do they not have in common:
- Customization: LISP
- Major 3D: Faces, toruses, Boolean
- Other: 3rd Party Add-ons (yea LT has some, but not like this)
Why don't we put all the big brother stuff in another newsgroup?
Maybe a LISP-plus group that "allows" file attachments?
I am not trying to be sarcastic, though I'm sure it's looking
that way. Why "conquer & divide" where there are no/few differences?
With LT3 and r13 side by side, pull out the LISP and 3D and they
are the same right down to the crashes. And I'm sure LT4 will
narrow that gap even more.
[The following is pure irrational opinion:]
It will all still wind up in mostly one or two groups. Why do I say
such a thing? Example: The Linux (the Unix alternate) groups have
everything broken out into setup, development, X-Windows, programming,
each "flavor" has it's own groups, ... And 80% to 90% of all the
questions go to the setup group or the X-Windows group. The
setup group has more traffic than this group on topics that are
way beyond setup.
[End irrational opinion.]
Enjoy,
Stef
--
the 2 is for, ya know... kill it to email me
Dilbert's boss - "You misspelled that word."
Dilbert - "That's a number."
http://www.netcom.com/~yodersj/
mailto:yod...@ix.netcom.com
Reini Urban
Reini Urban wrote:
> big group as cca is far too slow. To access any comp.cad.autocad.lt
> article the news server has to look up the directory "lt" in the
> "autocad" directory with about (14-30)*(80-150) files. (~ 2000)
> With a .misc group the access is much, much faster. Simply create
> a directory with thousands of files and you see.
According the latest statistics in de.admin.lists from June 97
comp.cad.autocad had 1934 articles with 4164.17Kb
Other big groups:
comp.databases.ms-access 4648
comp.graphics.apps.lightwave 2067 (!!)
comp.graphics.apps.photoshop 2583
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html 5274 (one of 7 subgroups)
comp.infosystems.www.browsers.ms-windows 1954
comp.lang.basic.visual.misc 5558 (one of 4 subgroups)
comp.lang.c 3727
comp.lang.c++ 3579
comp.lang.java.programmer 5788 (one of 12 subgroups)
...
Reini Urban
S. Yoder wrote:
> Why don't we put all the big brother stuff in another newsgroup?
> Maybe a LISP-plus group that "allows" file attachments?
> I am not trying to be sarcastic, though I'm sure it's looking
> that way. Why "conquer & divide" where there are no/few differences?
> With LT3 and r13 side by side, pull out the LISP and 3D and they
> are the same right down to the crashes. And I'm sure LT4 will
I also agreed now to split comp.cad.autocad but the problem
is that we simply cannot create subgroups, like .3d, .autolisp,
.developer, .lt and so on, because then the original comp.cad.autocad
group must be deleted and instead a new comp.cad.autocad.misc group must
be created.
Last autumn we had this kind of discussion about subgroup names,
which is stored at http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/news/split/
Please have a look at this directory.
Recommended was then:
comp.cad.autocad.misc AutoDesk's AutoCAD software
comp.cad.autocad.developer AutoLISP/ADS/ARX questions
comp.cad.autocad.setup Configuration/Customization Tips/Problems
comp.cad.autocad.announce Info/FAQ/Announcements about AutoCAD
comp.cad.autocad.3d 3d modeling with AutoCAD or MechDesktop
comp.cad.autocad.3rdparty Softdesk and others
+ maybe
comp.cad.autocad.hardware Driver + OS specific questions
comp.cad.autocad.lt AutoCAD Lite
why .misc?
comp.cad.autocad is one of the biggest groups in the comp.* level
with about 100-150 postings per day now. according my statsistics the
10th. Every news admin would reject to create just a bunch of subgroups
without a .misc because the groups are organized as directories
on the server and the file access for subgroups (=directories) in such a
met...@wwa.com
Good analysis Yoder.
As I look down today's post, I also see the need for 2 groups, but a different
split-up.
1) Useing/customizing Autocad.
These are so closely inter-twinned most articles would be of interest to the
average reader. A expert lisper gots lots of tricks a draftmans could use, and
beginners often stumble on different methods.
2)Getting Autocad to run.
Ask for your drivers, your hardware recommendations, the OS & network questions
here. How to splice acad to external programs, and where to find the URL's. And
put the forsale signs here.
So I see as interest to 2 groups of people, user/programer, and
adimnistation/sales. Splitting more is confusing. If a subject is related to
more than one group, people will tell you its in the wrong place.
Adesknews.autocad... moderates the post's, and a lot of questions get moved if
they think it's in the wrong place. (hey, where's my post?)
"S. Yoder" <2yod...@ix.netcom.com> cleverly wrote:
>Well, let's go look at an alternate.
>What does LT & big brother have in common:
>- General 2D: commands, ps/ms, dims, xrefs
>- Minor 3D: Z-axis wireframe, extrusion (aka thickness)
>- Basic hardware: Plotters, comps, processors, mice, tablets
>- Basic bugs: EREAD, GPF, Unhandled Exception
>- Drafting: Standards, practices, layers, linetypes
>- Customization: Menus, toolbars, deisel, VB, blocks, slides
>- Import/Export: DXF, EPS, WMF, other CAD pkgs files
>
>What do they not have in common:
>- Customization: LISP
>- Major 3D: Faces, toruses, Boolean
>- Other: 3rd Party Add-ons (yea LT has some, but not like this)
>
Dennis Shinn
Greetings
donotspam...@concentric.net (ken) posted the following
>Premises
>1. IMHO this NG has gotten far too many posts for me and others to
>follow.
As one respondent, I dissagree with your first premise. Using a rather
simple newsreader, which is free, BTW, I scan all articles in several
heavily used newsgroups.
There have been several attempts at suggested divisions of comp.cad.autocad
into more specific groups. Each (that I've witnessed) have degenerated into
hasseling over the names for proposed new groups. I find it somewhat more
efficient to have everything in one group that I can merely scan and read
at my discretion. Please remove me from the contigent of "others".
>3. I have filtered out many words such as microstation etc. and am
>still getting 100 plus posts per day with 50% being out of my area of
>interest or that I would expect to find better examples of elsewhere
>if i was interested in asian girls on a given day...ya know?
Creating more than one group will give these low-ball spammers yet more
groups in which to post their gibberish. Splitting c.c.a won't do anything
to stop the proliferation of this kind of junk.
>6. I'll not bore you with the specifics but it's relatively simple to
>start an "alt" NG.
If it's that easy why don't you do it?
>7. This is by no means a slap at lt or it's users who are welcome to
>continue to participate here. It would seem to their benefit to not
>be reading about what they are not able to get any use from like
>AutoLISP etc. and time saving for them too.
No one forces anyone to read posts not related to their interest. Yet as
Stef has pointed out in the past, it's often very helpful to review posts
related to AutoCAD even though she's using LT (at this point in time). I
like reading the LT questions and answers since we have three seats of LT
which I'm asked to support along with our AutoCAD. Pesrsonally I'd rather
*not* have to drag in another group just to get the LT discussion.
>Should AutoCad LT being an entirely separate software application be
>split off unto it's own NG?
No.
>Would any of the voters who has time volunteer to do this?
Creating an alt hierarchy group may be a simple matter but getting it
propogated throughout the usenet community is another matter.
Dennis Shinn
Seattle AutoCAD User Group
CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Lu
Dennis Shinn wrote:
>
> Greetings
>
> donotspam...@concentric.net (ken) posted the following
>
> >Premises
> >1. IMHO this NG has gotten far too many posts for me and others to
> >follow.
>
snip...
> Creating an alt hierarchy group may be a simple matter but getting it
> propogated throughout the usenet community is another matter.
>
> Dennis Shinn
> Seattle AutoCAD User Group
> CAD Systems manager/GLY Construction
Have I seen this thread before?
It's kina interesting when watched from the sidelines. <g>
Cheers,
Lu
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
; When all else fails, read the book. But there ain't none no more! <g>
; CAD\Tek web site: http://www.cad-tek.com
;-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dennis Shinn
Greetings
Lu <lea...@ix.netcom.com> posted the following
>Have I seen this thread before?
Nahhhhhhhhh ... now what makes you say that!? (grin)
Unknown
From: ca...@nashville.com
Newsgroups: comp.cad.autocad
Subject: Re: comp.cad.autocad new newsgroup or failing that alt.cad.autocadlt
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:20:27 GMT
Organization: CAD/Engineering Services
Message-ID: <33dfd96a...@news.nashville.com>
References: <33d1f37d...@news.concentric.net> <5rkt7b$n6p$1...@brokaw.wa.com> <33DE37...@ix.netcom.com> <13259...@nashville.com>
X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/16.235
Lines: 19
On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:43:50 GMT, jee...@halcyon.com (Dennis Shinn)
wrote:
>Greetings
>Lu <lea...@ix.netcom.com> posted the following
>>Have I seen this thread before?
>Nahhhhhhhhh ... now what makes you say that!? (grin)
>Dennis Shinn
And can you say that all this is better than PCGnet was?
[shb]