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Joseph H Allen

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Nov 21, 2007, 2:05:13 PM11/21/07
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So what's the most powerful microcontroller you can get in a DIP package?
So far I think it's these:

PIC24FJ64GA002-I/SP (most RAM)
28-pin DIP
8K RAM !
64K Flash
16 MIPS
2 UARTS, 5 Timers, 10-bit ADC, RTCC

dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
40-pin DIP
2K RAM
48K Flash
30 MIPS !
12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers

What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about the
RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.

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Rich Webb

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Nov 21, 2007, 2:18:33 PM11/21/07
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Joseph H Allen wrote:
> So what's the most powerful microcontroller you can get in a DIP package?
> So far I think it's these:
>
> PIC24FJ64GA002-I/SP (most RAM)
> 28-pin DIP
> 8K RAM !
> 64K Flash
> 16 MIPS
> 2 UARTS, 5 Timers, 10-bit ADC, RTCC
>
> dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
> 40-pin DIP
> 2K RAM
> 48K Flash
> 30 MIPS !
> 12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers
>
> What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about the
> RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.

How about: "128K Bytes Program Flash, 64K Bytes RAM, RTC, 2x UARTs, I2C,
SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz
operation"? It's a "DIL40 housing - Fits standard 600mil 40 pin sockets"

Probably a multitude of similar ARM-on-carrier devices out there, but
this one is from
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=263

Joseph H Allen

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Nov 21, 2007, 3:28:41 PM11/21/07
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In article <13k914a...@corp.supernews.com>,

Rich Webb <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
>Joseph H Allen wrote:
>> So what's the most powerful microcontroller you can get in a DIP package?
>> So far I think it's these:

>> PIC24FJ64GA002-I/SP (most RAM)
>> 28-pin DIP
>> 8K RAM !
>> 64K Flash
>> 16 MIPS
>> 2 UARTS, 5 Timers, 10-bit ADC, RTCC

>> dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
>> 40-pin DIP
>> 2K RAM
>> 48K Flash
>> 30 MIPS !
>> 12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers

>> What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about the
>> RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.

>How about: "128K Bytes Program Flash, 64K Bytes RAM, RTC, 2x UARTs, I2C,
>SPI, 2x 32bit TIMERS, 7x CCR, 6x PWM, WDT, 5V tolerant I/O, up to 60MHz
>operation"? It's a "DIL40 housing - Fits standard 600mil 40 pin sockets"

>this one is from
>http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=263

Yeah, I want a single chip in a plastic DIP package, not a $57 PCB. The PIC
chips above are in the $2.50 - $3.50 range.

Rich Webb

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Nov 21, 2007, 3:51:38 PM11/21/07
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So the specification should be: a single chip microcontroller in a
plastic DIP package at or around a price point of US$3 in single
quantities where the most important product parameter is >= 8K RAM onboard?

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Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

Andreas Koch

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Nov 21, 2007, 3:51:20 PM11/21/07
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Joseph H Allen wrote:

>> Joseph H Allen wrote:
>>> So what's the most powerful microcontroller you can get in a DIP package?
>>> So far I think it's these:

>>> PIC24FJ64GA002-I/SP (most RAM)
>>> 28-pin DIP
>>> 8K RAM !
>>> 64K Flash
>>> 16 MIPS
>>> 2 UARTS, 5 Timers, 10-bit ADC, RTCC
>
>>> dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
>>> 40-pin DIP
>>> 2K RAM
>>> 48K Flash
>>> 30 MIPS !
>>> 12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers
>
>>> What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about the
>>> RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.
>

> Yeah, I want a single chip in a plastic DIP package, not a $57 PCB. The PIC
> chips above are in the $2.50 - $3.50 range.
>

An interesting (but a bit more expensive - 10 EUR) chip may be the
parallax propeller. 160 MIPs, eight CPU cores, 48 KB RAM, 40 pin DIP.
Unfortunately a bit short on on-chip peripherals.

DJ Delorie

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Nov 21, 2007, 4:16:10 PM11/21/07
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Andreas Koch <nos...@kochandreas.com> writes:
> Unfortunately a bit short on on-chip peripherals.

With that much CPU horsepower, you can simulate them ;-)

Aly

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Nov 21, 2007, 4:22:12 PM11/21/07
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"Rich Webb" <bbe...@mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote in message
news:13k914a...@corp.supernews.com...

> >
> > dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
> > 40-pin DIP
> > 2K RAM
> > 48K Flash
> > 30 MIPS !
> > 12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers
> >
> > What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about
the
> > RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.
>

The 4013 is alright. It is the most powerful of the dsPICs in a DIL
package. Thereafter you move to the TQFP packages. The 4013's TQFP package
is easy enough to solder as it's a 0.8mm pitch.

Perfectly usable for data logging to a FAT partition.

If you need more than 8K then you'll just have to become more efficient in
how you manage your resources.

You can also use some of you 48K of flash RAM (ROM?) on the dsPICs as
memory. Just that it's incredibly slow as you're writing to it as an
EEPROM.

It depends what your application is. What is your application?


Jim Granville

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Nov 21, 2007, 4:32:22 PM11/21/07
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Joseph H Allen wrote:

> So what's the most powerful microcontroller you can get in a DIP package?
> So far I think it's these:
>
> PIC24FJ64GA002-I/SP (most RAM)
> 28-pin DIP
> 8K RAM !
> 64K Flash
> 16 MIPS
> 2 UARTS, 5 Timers, 10-bit ADC, RTCC
>
> dsPIC30F4013-30I/P (fastest)
> 40-pin DIP
> 2K RAM
> 48K Flash
> 30 MIPS !
> 12-bit ADC, DSP, 2 UARTS, 5 Timers
>
> What else is out there? Is there anything better? I care most about the
> RAM, since anything with 8K or more saves an external chip.

The Zilog Z16F comes in PLCC68, so is plug-able which I guess is what
you are really looking for by saying 'dip'.
It has 128K flash, but light on RAM at 4K.
It has some 64bit operand maths opcodes.

-jg


pbr...@netburner.com

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Nov 27, 2007, 4:45:58 PM11/27/07
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Try:

http://www.netburner.com/products/core_modules/mod5213.html


Paul Breed
Cto NetBurner

donald

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Nov 27, 2007, 10:43:42 PM11/27/07
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Is this really "truth in advertising".

Come on Paul, this is a tech group, who are you tring to kid.

By the pic on the link, it won't even plug into a DIP socket.

Happy Xmas to you too.

donald


Mark Borgerson

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Nov 27, 2007, 10:50:33 PM11/27/07
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In article <i7qdnYdhjtlpftHa...@comcast.com>,
Don...@dontdoithere.com says...

Mine does. The first sentence in the overview seems accurate:
"Available in a 40 pin DIP, the MOD5213 boasts 66MHz of performance
on a 32 bit ColdFire platform."


Mark Borgerson

pbr...@netburner.com

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Nov 28, 2007, 5:32:36 PM11/28/07
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>By the pic on the link, it won't even plug into a DIP socket.
The pic in the link IS a 40 pin dip.

Our other modules are not 40 pin dips, but the MOD5213 is.

Try the mechanical drawing:
http://www.netburner.com/downloads/mod5213/mod5213-100cr-ir_mechanical.pdf

or the flyer/datasheet...

http://www.netburner.com/downloads/mod5213/mod5213_datasheet_pinout_diagram.pdf#page=1&view=Fit


They are however not $3.00 they are 39 to 26 depnding on quantity.

Or read the post by an existing customer. ;-)

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