8052 HomePage going, going...
Murray R. Van Luyn
8052 microcontroller HomePage at:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~vanluynm/
Get around to taking a last look at the site in the next 1-month if you can,
as it will comprehensively vanish at the end of that period.
Regards,
Murray R. Van Luyn.
don
don
David Brown
Perhaps more to the point, why are you (the OP - not Don) so angry at
people for downloading things from your website without paying? You
offer them for free - payment is clearly optional. You give no
indication about licenses or conditions on anything (perhaps there is
information after downloading, but that's too late). When you provide
downloads on a website, there are three choices - you can provide things
entirely for free, you can charge for them, or you provide them for free
and ask for donations. But if you take this third road, you don't get
to moan at people and call them "malevolent copyright violators".
I also think it's a bit unreasonable to complain so violently about
people downloading "your" stuff for free, when some of the things you
want to charge for are other peoples' work that /they/ have given out
for free. Adam Dunkels asks nothing for the use of his uIP software in
any context - people can freely modify it and use it in commercial and
non-commercial systems. And yet you want to charge people to use /his/
code. It is certainly /legal/ to charge people for his code - that's
allowed by Adam's choice of licence. But it makes it hard for people to
treat your moral indignation seriously.
I can well understand you want to make a little bit of money on the site
to cover your costs, and that you want to be able to offer free or low
cost information and software to people. But this isn't the way to do
it - and insulting your visitors is the fastest way to lose them.
-jg
Hmm... I tried, but was unable to decode the ramblings
posted.
Whatever point you were trying to make, was surely lost.
Still, if it is your web site, and entirely your own content, you are
free to do with it whatever you wish.
-jg
Jon Kirwan
There's probably more to the story that none of us will fully hear
about. It's obvious he's angry. But it's hard to judge his responses
without knowing exactly what triggered all this. I think Don's
question is rightly made, though I won't expect a full answer to it.
Jon
Murray R. Van Luyn
news:LcSdnfd4yZ6K07jW...@lyse.net...
Hi David,
So, what's your background, David? What interests in the microcontroller
field do you have? I found your perspective a little unexpected, and I'm
very interested for you to help me please understand where it's coming from?
Cesar Rabak
Having read the all thread, I would like you consider some additional
thoughts.
Your last post seems to be produced by a sort of automaton of the famous
"Elisa" AI demo programs.
If one gets this impression pass, then another aspect surfaces: your
reply sugar coated with a polite writing seems to be a disguised
personal attack.
Why is David's background or interests on the field matters w.r.t. his post?
OTOH, what do you mean with "perspective a little unexpected"?
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Get counted: http://counter.li.org/
Murray R. Van Luyn
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You seem to be troubled by my post, Cesar. Please tell me how we can work
together to find a solution?
Seriously, no personal attacks intended, Cesar. David has raised some very
worthwhile points which he is aware have given me cause to think. I thank
him for his important contribution, regardless of how expected, or
otherwise, I may have found it.
David appears to write from a position of great authority in addressing my
many apparent failures, Cesar. I had merely invited him to qualify his
perspective a little, before I made any decision on whether to address the
more though-provoking elements of his discussion.
David Brown
I can see what Cesar means about ELIZA!
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA>
And don't worry, /I/ don't see anything here as a personal attack,
disguised or otherwise.
> Seriously, no personal attacks intended, Cesar. David has raised some very
> worthwhile points which he is aware have given me cause to think. I thank
> him for his important contribution, regardless of how expected, or
> otherwise, I may have found it.
>
> David appears to write from a position of great authority in addressing my
> many apparent failures, Cesar. I had merely invited him to qualify his
> perspective a little, before I made any decision on whether to address the
> more though-provoking elements of his discussion.
>
As Cesar says, my background or interests are not relevant to the
discussion. I made my comments for your benefit, and for others in the
group here to agree with, disagree with, or expand if they want. I'm
happy to talk more in this thread if you want to discuss the actual
topic - I'm not here for self-promotion. The thread is not about me, or
even about /you/ - it's about your website, and your post berating
people for downloading the software you make freely available.
Murray R. Van Luyn.
Okay, so you haven't the slightest positive contribution of your own to
report. I wholly expected that.
Good day, sir.
Chris H
<david...@hesbynett.removethisbit.no> writes
I have to say I completely agree with David.
Also I can't see what your problem with China is. Why are the Chinese a
problem?
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John Devereux
Davids post was spot on. If Chris Hills agrees with him, I suspect
everyone else will! :)
It is you that have made no "positive contribution" to the thread, you
have not actually addressed any of the points David made. (Hence the
Eliza reference).
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John Devereux
larwe
> It is you that have made no "positive contribution" to the thread, you
> have not actually addressed any of the points David made. (Hence the
> Eliza reference).
HMM. THAT'S INTERESTING. CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT ADDRESSED ANY OF
THE POINTS DAVID MADE?
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John Devereux
Cesar Rabak
ROTFL�
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Cesar Rabak
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[1] Just for the yucks, did you it by hand or used Emacs ;-D
Ian Bell
It will still be in the archives though.
Cheers
ian
larwe
> [1] Just for the yucks, did you it by hand or used Emacs ;-D
Oh, by hand. But you see, I have on the shelf right in front of my
eyes if I look up, the TRS-80 edition of "MORE BASIC COMPUTER
GAMES" (David Ahl, Creative Computing 1980), which has an Eliza
program on p.60. I remember translating that version to the VIC-20 in
1985 or thereabouts (from an older edition of the same book).
And I am working right now on an AI engine using Neuroph, the test
cases of which look very much like Eliza sessions.
Aah, Eliza isn't truly therapeutic unless it's run on a REAL MAN'S
paper tty.
Cesar Rabak
> On Dec 26, 7:01 pm, Cesar Rabak <csra...@bol.com.br> wrote:
>
>> [1] Just for the yucks, did you it by hand or used Emacs ;-D
>
> Oh, by hand. But you see, I have on the shelf right in front of my
> eyes if I look up, the TRS-80 edition of "MORE BASIC COMPUTER
> GAMES" (David Ahl, Creative Computing 1980), which has an Eliza
> program on p.60. I remember translating that version to the VIC-20 in
> 1985 or thereabouts (from an older edition of the same book).
>
I see! TRS-80s never got popular in this corner of World.
> And I am working right now on an AI engine using Neuroph, the test
> cases of which look very much like Eliza sessions.
Cool!
>
> Aah, Eliza isn't truly therapeutic unless it's run on a REAL MAN'S
> paper tty.
Well, you can cut a little of this nostalgia with a bit of sound effects
using your computers speakers, can't you? :-D
Regards,
David Brown
Are you sure you have kept track of who has posted what in this thread?
If you are trying to have a real discussion, or to promote support for
your website, I am not sure this is the best tactic!