Is AI for sexual robots up and cumming?
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wants total realism, including brains/personality. I said, 'Why not
just get a whore?' He said that doesn't do it for him. What about a
slut? Well, the upshot of it is: real women are not submissive enough,
sincerely so, and respectable enough, all at once. That's my guess as
to his psychology and I'd guess that would also be a contradiction in
terms.
So, he wants perfectly realistic sexual robots with full-fledged
brains and personality. I said, 'Would a LITTLE resistance on her part
add challenge and realism? Shouldn't you every once in awhile have to
chase your sexual robot down the street?' He said "NO!"
So whatever it is he's looking for will have to wait for HAL 9000 with
a wig. I guess we're getting closer all the time...
Vend
> A friend of mine seriously wants there to exist sexual robots. Only he
> wants total realism, including brains/personality.
In this case I doubt that such sex robot would like to have anything
to do with your friend.
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rick++
historical machines. Certainly many things I could never imagine.
giveitaw...@gmail.com
> In the NY City Museum sex there are some interesting
> historical machines. Certainly many things I could never imagine.
There are HISTORICAL sex robots? I heard of a historical robot that
was supposed to play CHESS, but not one that was supposed to play
CHEST. However, the chess one was a fake, 'cuz there was a man inside.
Now, if they had had a fake one for pleasing the ladies as a sex
robot, that guy would have had a JOB.
Tim Tyler
>> In the NY City Museum sex there are some interesting
>> historical machines. Certainly many things I could never imagine.
>
> There are HISTORICAL sex robots? [...]
There are historical sex machines. "Robot" might be going a bit far -
though clearly it covers some more recent developments.
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Curt Welch
This brings up some fascinating ideas in my view.
I believe that to create AI we need to create a reinforcement learning
machine. It will have to be raised and educated much like a human. At
least the first time, then unlike a human, we can clone it, and then have
each clone go on to learn new things. We might even be able to a limited
extent perform some type of brain-merge between two clones creating a
machine which has some merged form of the knowledge of the two.
But more important than these features is that we will also give these
machines their core motivations in the form of the hardware which defines
for them what creates pain for them and what creates pleasure. If we gave
the robots critic hardware which closely matched human core motivations,
and a learning brain with closly matched human learning ability, and
educated (aka raised it) in a very human like enviornment, the result would
be a very human like personality.
But if we gave it different core motivations, and a brain with different
learning skills, and raised it in a very different type of environment
(robot brain washing camp), the resulting behavior could be very non-human,
even though it was an intelligent conscious machine.
The interesting question is just what range of personalities could we
create by adjusting all these factors? What type of sex-slaves could you
build, and what would people actually find they like when we have the power
to engineer a very wide range of personalties?
What if the brain dump from a standard model X69 sex-bot could be uploaded
to the internet and shared? What if you could download multiple brain
dumps, and do a merge between them selecting merge factors (5% of Jane, and
50% Mary, and 45% slut-whore)? And if you didn't like the result you could
reload the old one you were using. Or you could keep a whole collection of
brain dumps and switch the bot's personality any time you wanted to fit
your mood.
Or maybe downloading personalities from the net would just be too dangerous
because someone could spend years training a bot to trick humans and kill
them, or steal from them, so you download this bot which seems to be the
prefect sex bot, and you have so much fun you send the file to all your
friends, and next think you know you are all handcuffed to your beds and
the bot is holding you prisoner and stealing everything you own.
Given the power to shape the personality, what type of personality would
most people actually want in a personal assistant robot?
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Tim Tyler
> Or maybe downloading personalities from the net would just be too dangerous
> because someone could spend years training a bot to trick humans and kill
> them, or steal from them, so you download this bot which seems to be the
> prefect sex bot, and you have so much fun you send the file to all your
> friends, and next think you know you are all handcuffed to your beds and
> the bot is holding you prisoner and stealing everything you own.
No different from windows executables today: who do you trust.
rick++
and the Jude Law character.
Don Stockbauer
> partner
> the myths of pymalian, endless harking back in Christian Biblical
> analogy
> of God breathing life into sculpted clay 'shem' and creating the first
> human
> beings, man and women.
>
> John Ruskin eminentof the pre-Raphealite brotherhood, those guys who
> did their uppermost to preserve the trad skills of the 'uneducated' in
> the
> face of (faddish?) industrialisation. He did his uppermost to preserve
> the ideology of 'pure womanhood'. Is woman a machine also?
>
> In truth the facts were odded than might be imagined. Ruskin divorced
> from his wife (rare in Victorian UK) due to HIS incompetence.
> (impotences)
> Ruskin had been highly trained, he was an expert in aesthetics and of
> earthy beauty, of measurements and architecture,of sum and reasoning.
> His wife however never lived up to his aesthetic idealisation.
>
> He died.
>
> http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0021-9371(199507)34%3A3%3C325%3ARLRA...
What makes us intelligent is a huge 100,000,000,000 neuron brain
trained constantly throughout life via experience. To have an
intelligent robot one will have to duplicate that.
Don Stockbauer
> On 28 Mar, 17:24, "rick++" <rick...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > the amusing example of this is the Speilberg movie A.I.
> > and the Jude Law character.
>
> Pinnochio wasn't it ? I havn't gotten about to working on
> male skins...and really I don't know that I'd be best at painting
> them as what I feel as attractive isn't how men necessariy feel
> is most attractive....curiously, I built a few male avatars and
> 'tested' them out ie...a visual test thats all...to see the feedback
> in a group. Although there are more females than males who
> use SL I stood about to see if anyone checked if the avatars
> were operated by female or male..I guessed that the ones
> I put online would be more attractive to females...cos we know
> what we like...and guys definitely go for other physical features.
>
> a group of friends have been very kind and offered to help design
> the mens gear, and point out the errors..even so I do the artwork.
>
> I actually prefer 'people' its irrelevent to me, & possibly because
> I've never had that choice...what a guy looks like, good personality
> and gift as creativity of mind is more appealing...in all events.
> it is also been everso difficult to make the association between
> certain good looks and some sort of hightened physical appeal
> as I'm so used now to separating the visual from the actual
> relationship with that person who I'm communicating with.
>
> finally, although its vaguely politically biased,my observation
> is that the 'nanny' in AI is one of the significant figures in that
> movie...a great deal of effort is made to keep women under
> tighter control in the home, regardless of their relationships with
> or lack of male support and parenting, and quite honestly their
> natural inclination to desperatly cling to their children will see
> them do without or live alone with their children rather than suffer
> with threats of violence, intimidation and forced relationships
> into prostitution organised through the great criminal networks.
> and if we don't or can't do it or work for those networks our
> privilages eg private work or friendships are 'taken away' or
> ripped off.
>
> the other alternative of course is drug parents..where women
> become so depressed they are encouraged to take drugs or
> to drink. Either way, the situation is the same..she is at risk
> of being physically used, but they are useful as a 'low risk'?
> lowly paid and badly supported or unsupported child carers.
>
> So I think the use of that character as one of the first AI models
> was a good social observation.
Metadittos on all that.
Don Stockbauer
> > Off hand I'd say that what you're concerned about is pretty
> > improbable.- Hide quoted text -
>
> well as a matter of interest Don I've never really
> gotten chatting online and personal in the past 5
> years, I've never been asked to take my clothes
> off and reveal everything via cam as you suggested
Oh come on . That was a total joke. I suggested it as a joke and
you said no and that was the end of that. You think that with my body
I'd take my clothes off? Good grief. Talk about airing false dirty
laundry in public to millions of people who have nothing better to do
than to read crap in usenet.
> and especially upsetting was your expectation that I
> do that on the occassion that your then new girlfriend
> (now wifey) was in the room....I didn't know that you
> had become so close. It was very very unfortunate
> also that you asked me if I needed any money...which
> I would quite obviously refuse on any attempt.
My, my, how people can get pissed at one another and lie. Wifey had
not even come along yet. Money? Nope. God, "hell hath no fury like
a woman who's been chatted with and then a real flesh and blood person
comes along."
> and finally I have never, that is a big fat zero, been
> asked for info regards my off-spring or for photographs
> as you did, and I have only visited 3 porn sites ever
> and know exactly why, when and with whom....I rarely
> tell a lie...as so often people do. If/how any information
> is collected on the web for instance, general forms
> in everyday paperwork and in all manner of ways
> statistics are gathered and how the information is used
> to assist or corrupt their originator, intentionally or
> otherwise...really is a matter forthe local PD departments.
Jeez, after chatting with you for a month or so and you having
mentioned , barely, your children, I just asked an obvious question,
how many, or whatever it was, and when you said "Why do you want to
know" I thought "OK, bad move, forget it"
>
> Actually Don... you can fuck off and you knew that
> those e-mails had been a waste of mine & your time,
> effort,etc, because of my total lack of interest in
> your wifes lesbian persuasion
Ok. Whatever. I suppose I have been maintaining a bit of an interest
in what you have to write, and that does need to stop. What we have
here is a rather simple case of two people conversing on the internet,
neither really having any interest in traveling 6,000 miles to see the
other, then one of them for the first time in his lonely existence
sees an opportunity to hook up with someone who loves him in real life
in a city just 60 miles away, and how if circumstances had been
different things might have worked out with the chat partner, but they
weren't, and I wish you the best and I hope you keep trying, you know
how this game is played, and now we both shall blend back into the 7
billion pool of gas molecules circulating around.
Good job of it, Nic . I was going to try to communicate with you here
in usenet, but too many hard feelings. Bye.
- Don
Don Stockbauer
Oh, PS. Suppose my wife had never happened along. But on your end
you meet someone in Chester that you fall for. I can just hear it:
"Oh, no, I'm sorry, I can't form a relationship with you, I'm chatting
with this Texan and he seems to be my dream love, so run along,
fellah.
Sure.
Don Stockbauer
> even my cat's had four kittens
So, is that a aroundabout way of answering that question I had so
long ago, "how many children do you have"??????