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Lutz Prechelt
Sep 27, 1991, 10:18:04 PM9/27/91
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! (FAQ means "Frequently Asked Questions") Date: 16.09.1991
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! (FAQ means "Frequently Asked Questions") Date: 23.09.1991
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before the group's creation ?]
! The newsgroup comp.ai.neural-nets is inteded as a form for people who want
to use or explore the capabilities of Neural Networks or Neural-Network-like
structures.
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before the group's creation ?]
! The newsgroup comp.ai.neural-nets is inteded as a forum for people who want
to use or explore the capabilities of Neural Networks or Neural-Network-like
structures.
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*** 175,179 ****
"Start discussion: this-and-that"
(People who react on this, please remove the
! "Start discussion:" label from the subject line of your replies)
It is quite difficult to keep a discussion from drifting into chaos,
--- 175,179 ----
"Start discussion: this-and-that"
(People who react on this, please remove the
! "Start discussion: " label from the subject line of your replies)
It is quite difficult to keep a discussion from drifting into chaos,
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*** 181,185 ****
to be no secure way to avoid this.
On the other hand, comp.ai.neural-nets has not had many problems
! with this effect until today, so let's just go and hope... :->
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--- 181,185 ----
to be no secure way to avoid this.
On the other hand, comp.ai.neural-nets has not had many problems
! with this effect in the past, so let's just go and hope... :->
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*** 193,198 ****
A vague description is as follows:
! A network of many very simple processors connected by communication channels
! which carry numeric (as opposed to symbolic) data.
The design motivation is what distinguishes neural networks from other
mathematical techniques:
--- 193,203 ----
A vague description is as follows:
! A NN is a network of many very simple processors ("units"), each with a
! (small amount of) local memory, who are connected by unidirectional
! communication channels ("connections"), which carry numeric (as
! opposed to symbolic) data.
! The units operate only on their local data and on the inputs
! they receive via the connections.
!
The design motivation is what distinguishes neural networks from other
mathematical techniques:
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*** 511,514 ****
--- 516,522 ----
Pao, Y. H. (1989). Adaptive Pattern Recognition and Neural Networks
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc. (ISBN 0-201-12584-6)
+ Comments: "An excellent book that ties together classical approaches
+ to pattern recognition with Neural Nets. Most other NN books do not
+ even mention conventional approaches."
Rumelhart, D. E., Hinton, G. E. and Williams, R. J. (1986). Learning
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*** 547,551 ****
software from the '70s. For anyone who wants to do active research in the
field I consider it quite inadequate"; "Okay, but too shallow"; "Quite
! easy to understand".
Zeidenberg. M. (1990). Neural Networks in Artificial Intelligence.
--- 555,562 ----
software from the '70s. For anyone who wants to do active research in the
field I consider it quite inadequate"; "Okay, but too shallow"; "Quite
! easy to understand";
! "The best bedtime reading for Neural Networks. I have given
! this book to numerous collegues who want to know NN basics, but who never
! plan to implement anything. An excellent book to give your manager."
Zeidenberg. M. (1990). Neural Networks in Artificial Intelligence.
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*** 563,623 ****
-A11.) Any journals and magazines about Neural Networks ?
- [preliminary]
- [Name of journals, their editors and publishers, comments on speed
- of reviewing and publishing, whether they accept TeX format or ASCII by
- e-mail, etc.]
A. Dedicated Neural Network Journals:
! 1. Neural Networks
! through INNS (International Neural Network Society)
! 2. IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks
! $75 for non-members, $10 for IEEE sponsoring society members,
! $15 for other IEEE members.
! Address: IEEE Service Center, CP Department/P.O. Box 1331,
! 455 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331.
! 3. Neural Computation
! Published quarterly
! MIT Press, 55 Hayward Street, Cambridge, MA 02142,
! Telephone: ++617-253-2889.
! 4. Journal of Neural Network Computing
! The hands-on journal, with emphasis placed on applications.
! Published quarterly. Edited by Harold Szu.
! Subscription is $145 per year. To order, call: ++800-950-1216.
! 5. International Journal of Neural Systems
! Published quarterly
! Eds. B. Lautrup & S. Brunak
! World Scientific Publ. Co.
! Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
! or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
! or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
! 6. Connection Science (Journal of Neural Computing, AI and Cognitive Research)
! published quarterly
! Ed. N.E. Sharkey
! Carfax Publ. Co., P.O.Box 25, Abingdon, Oxfordshire OX14 3UE, UK
- B. Journals occasionally concerned with NNs
- 1. AI Expert
- Regularly includes ANN related articles, product
- announcements, and application reports.
- Listings of ANN programs are available on AI Expert affiliated BBS's
- Miller Freeman Publishing Co., for subscription call ++415-267-7672.
- 2. Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience
- Published quarterly.
- $53 for individuals, $35 for students or retired persons.
- MIT Press, 55 Hayward Street, Cambridge, MA 02142
- Telephone: ++617-253-2889.
- 3. Cognitive Science
- 4. Biological Cybernetics
- 5. Complex Systems
- 6. International Journal of Modern Physics C
- published quarterly
- Eds. G. Fox, H. Herrmann and K. Kaneko
- World Scientific Publ. Co.
- Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
- or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
- or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
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-A11.) Any journals and magazines about Neural Networks ?
+ [to be added: comments on speed of reviewing and publishing,
+ whether they accept TeX format or ASCII by e-mail, etc.]
+
A. Dedicated Neural Network Journals:
! =====================================
! Title: Neural Networks
! Publish: Pergamon Press
! Address: Pergamon Journals Inc., Fairview Park, Elmsford,
! New York 10523, USA and Pergamon Journals Ltd.
! Headington Hill Hall, Oxford OX3, 0BW, England
! Freq.: 6 issues/year (vol. 1 in 1988)
! Cost/Yr: Free with INNS membership ($45?), Individual $65, Institution $175
! ISSN #: 0893-6080
! Remark: Official Journal of International Neural Network Society (INNS).
! Contains Original Contributions, Invited Review Articles, Letters
! to Editor, Invited Book Reviews, Editorials, Announcements and INNS
! News, Software Surveys. This is probably the most popular NN journal.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -------
! Title: Neural Computation
! Publish: MIT Press
! Address: MIT Press Journals, 55 Hayward Street Cambridge,
! MA 02142-9949, USA, Phone: (617) 253-2889
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $45, Institution $90, Students $35; Add $9 Outside USA
! ISSN #: 0899-7667
! Remark: Combination of Reviews (10,000 words), Views (4,000 words)
! and Letters (2,000 words). I have found this journal to be of
! outstanding quality.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -----
! Title: IEEE Transaction on Neural Networks
! Publish: Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
! Address: IEEE Service Cemter, 445 Hoes Lane, P.O. Box 1331, Piscataway, NJ,
! 08855-1331 USA. Tel: (201) 981-0060
! Cost/Yr: $10 for Members belonging to participating IEEE societies
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in March 1990)
! Remark: Devoted to the science and technology of neural networks
! which disclose significant technical knowledge, exploratory
! developments and applications of neural networks from biology to
! software to hardware. Emphasis is on artificial neural networks.
! Specific aspects include self organizing systems, neurobiological
! connections, network dynamics and architecture, speech recognition,
! electronic and photonic implementation, robotics and controls.
! Includes Letters concerning new research results.
! (Note: Remarks are from journal announcement)
! -----
! Title: Journal of Neural Network Computing,
! Technology, Design, and Applications
! Publish: Auerback Publishers
! Address: Auerback Publishers, 210 South Street, Boston, MA 02111-9812
! Tel: (800) 950-1216
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in Summer 1989)
! Cost/Yr: $145 in USA
! Remark: 3 to 5 in-depth articles per issue; Bookshelf Section which
! provides a several page introduction to a specific topic
! (e.g. feedforward networks) and a list of references for further
! reading on that topic; Software Reviews. Good quality, but a little
! expensive for personal subscriptions. I got my corporate library
! to buy it so I wouldn't have to.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neural Systems
! Publish: World Scientific Publishing
! Address: USA: World Scientific Publishing Co., 687 Hartwell Street, Teaneck,
! NJ 07666. Tel: (201) 837-8858; Eurpoe: World Scientific Publishing
! Co. Pte. Ltd., 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20-8DH, England.
! Tel: (01) 4462461; Other: World Scientific Publishing Co. Pte. Ltd.,
! Farrer Road, P.O. Box 128, Singapore 9128. Tel: 2786188
! Freq.: Quarterly (Vol. 1 in 1990?)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $42, Institution $88 (plus $9-$17 for postage)
! ISSN #: 0129-0657 (IJNS)
! Remark: The International Journal of Neural Systems is a quarterly journal
! which covers information processing in natural and artificial neural
! systems. It publishes original contributions on all aspects of this
! broad subject which involves physics, biology, psychology, computer
! science and engineering. Contributions include research papers,
! reviews and short communications. The journal presents a fresh
! undogmatic attitude towards this multidisciplinary field with the
! aim to be a forum for novel ideas and improved understanding of
! collective and cooperative phenomena with computational capabilities.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by B. Lautrup (editor),
! "LAUTRUP%nbivax...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU" )
! ------
! Title: Neural Network News
! Publish: AIWeek Inc.
! Address: Neural Network News, 2555 Cumberland Parkway, Suite 299, Atlanta, GA
! 30339 USA. Tel: (404) 434-2187
! Freq.: Monthly (beginning September 1989)
! Cost/Yr: USA and Canada $249, Elsewhere $299
! Remark: Commericial Newsletter
! ------
! Title: Network: Computation in Neural Systems
! Publish: IOP Publishing Ltd
! Address: Europe: IOP Publishing Ltd, Techno House, Redcliffe Way, Bristol
! BS1 6NX, UK; IN USA: American Institute of Physics, Subscriber
! Services 500 Sunnyside Blvd., Woodbury, NY 11797-2999
! Freq.: Quarterly (1st issue 1990)
! Cost/Yr: USA: $180, Europe: 110 pounds
! Remark: Description: "a forum for integrating theoretical and experimental
! findings across relevant interdisciplinary boundaries." Contents:
! Submitted articles reviewed by two technical referees paper's
! interdisciplinary format and accessability." Also Viewpoints and
! Reviews commissioned by the editors, abstracts (with reviews) of
! articles published in other journals, and book reviews.
! Comment: While the price discourages me (my comments are based upon
! a free sample copy), I think that the journal succeeds very well. The
! highest density of interesting articles I have found in any journal.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by brandt kehoe "ke...@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU")
! ------
! Title: Connection Science: Journal of Neural Computing,
! Artificial Intelligence and Cognitive Research
! Publish: Carfax Publishing
! Address: Europe: Carfax Publishing Company, P. O. Box 25, Abingdon,
! Oxfordshire OX14 3UE, UK. USA: Carafax Publishing Company,
! 85 Ash Street, Hopkinton, MA 01748
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $82, Institution $184, Institution (U.K.) 74 pounds
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neural Networks
! Publish: Learned Information
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: 90 pounds
! ISSN #: 0954-9889
! Remark: The journal contains articles, a conference report (at least the
! issue I have), news and a calendar.
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! -----
! Title: Concepts in NeuroScience
! Publish: World Scientific Publishing
! Address: Same Address (?) as for International Journal of Neural Systems
! Freq.: Twice per year (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: Mainly Review Articles(?)
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neurocomputing
! Publish: ecn Neurocomputing GmbH
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: Commercial journal, not the academic periodicals
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -----
! Title: Neurocomputers
! Publish: Gallifrey Publishing
! Address: Gallifrey Publishing, PO Box 155, Vicksburg, Michigan, 49097, USA
! Tel: (616) 649-3772
! Freq. Monthly (1st issue 1987?)
! ISSN #: 0893-1585
! Editor: Derek F. Stubbs
! Cost/Yr: $32 (USA, Canada), $48 (elsewhere)
! Remark: I only have one exemplar so I cannot give you much detail about
! the contents. It is a very small one (12 pages) but it has a lot
! of (short) information in it about e.g. conferences, books,
! (new) ideas etc. I don't think it is very expensive but I'm not sure.
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! ------
! Title: JNNS Newsletter (Newsletter of the Japan Neural Network Society)
! Publish: The Japan Neural Network Society
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: (IN JAPANESE LANGUAGE) Official Newsletter of the Japan Neural
! Network Society(JNNS)
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -------
! Title: Neural Networks Today
! Remark: I found this title in a bulletin board of october last year.
! It was a message of Tim Pattison, tim...@augean.OZ
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! -----
! Title: Computer Simulations in Brain Science
! -----
! Title: Internation Journal of Neuroscience
! -----
! Title: Neural Network Computation
! Remark: Possibly the same as "Neural Computation"
+ B. NN Related Journals
+ ======================
+
+ Title: Complex Systems
+ Publish: Complex Systems Publications
+ Address: Complex Systems Publications, Inc., P.O. Box 6149, Champaign,
+ IL 61821-8149, USA
+ Freq.: 6 times per year (1st volume is 1987)
+ ISSN #: 0891-2513
+ Cost/Yr: Individual $75, Institution $225
+ Remark: Journal COMPLEX SYSTEMS devotes to the rapid publication of research
+ on the science, mathematics, and engineering of systems with simple
+ components but complex overall behavior. Send mail to
+ "j...@complex.ccsr.uiuc.edu" for additional info.
+ (Remark is from announcement on Net)
+ -----
+ Title: Biological Cybernetics (Kybernetik)
+ Publish: Springer Verlag
+ Remark: Monthly (vol. 1 in 1961)
+ -----
+ Title: Various IEEE Transactions and Magazines
+ Publish: IEEE
+ Remark: Primarily see IEEE Trans. on System, Man and Cybernetics; Various
+ Special Issues: April 1990 IEEE Control Systems Magazine.; May 1989
+ IEEE Trans. Circuits and Systems.; July 1988 IEEE Trans. Acoust.
+ Speech Signal Process.
+ -----
+ Title: The Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Artificial Intelligence
+ Publish: Taylor & Francis, Ltd.
+ Address: London, New York, Philadelphia
+ Freq.: ? (1st issue Jan 1989)
+ Remark: For submission information, please contact either of the editors:
+ Eric Dietrich Chris Fields
+ PACSS - Department of Philosophy Box 30001/3CRL
+ SUNY Binghamton New Mexico State University
+ Binghamton, NY 13901 Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001
+ diet...@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu cfi...@nmsu.edu
+ -----
+ Title: The Behavioral and Brain Sciences
+ Publish: Cambridge University Press
+ Remark: (Expensive as hell, I'm sure.)
+ This is a delightful journal that encourages discussion on a
+ variety of controversial topics. I have especially enjoyed reading
+ some papers in there by Dana Ballard and Stephen Grossberg (separate
+ papers, not collaborations) a few years back. They have a really neat
+ concept: they get a paper, then invite a number of noted scientists
+ in the field to praise it or trash it. They print these commentaries,
+ and give the author(s) a chance to make a rebuttal or concurrence.
+ Sometimes, as I'm sure you can imagine, things get pretty lively. I'm
+ reasonably sure they are still at it--I think I saw them make a call
+ for reviewers a few months ago. Their reviewers are called something
+ like Behavioral and Brain Associates, and I believe they have to be
+ nominated by current associates, and should be fairly well established
+ in the field. That's probably more than I really know about it but
+ maybe if you post it someone who knows more about it will correct any
+ errors I have made. The main thing is that I liked the articles I
+ read. (Note: remarks by Don Wunsch <dwu...@blake.acs.washington.edu>)
+ -----
+ Title: International Journal of Applied Intelligence
+ Publish: Kluwer Academic Publishers
+ Remark: first issue in 1990(?)
+ -----
+ Title: Bulletin of Mathematica Biology
+ -----
+ Title: Intelligence
+ -----
+ Title: Journal of Mathematical Biology
+ -----
+ Title: Journal of Complex System
+ -----
+ Title: AI Expert
+ Publish: Miller Freeman Publishing Co., for subscription call ++415-267-7672.
+ Remark: Regularly includes ANN related articles, product
+ announcements, and application reports.
+ Listings of ANN programs are available on AI Expert affiliated BBS's
+ -----
+ Title: International Journal of Modern Physics C
+ Publish: World Scientific Publ. Co.
+ Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
+ or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
+ or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
+ Freq: published quarterly
+ Eds: G. Fox, H. Herrmann and K. Kaneko
+
+
+
+ C. Journals loosely related to NNs
+ ==================================
+
+ JOURNAL OF COMPLEXITY
+ (Must rank alongside Wolfram's Complex Systems)
+
+ IEEE ASSP Magazine
+ (April 1987 had the Lippmann intro. which everyone likes to cite)
+
+ ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
+ (Vol 40, September 1989 had the survey paper by Hinton)
+
+ COGNITIVE SCIENCE
+ (the Boltzmann machine paper by Ackley et al appeared here in Vol 9, 1983)
+
+ COGNITION
+ (Vol 28, March 1988 contained the Fodor and Pylyshyn critique of connectionism)
+
+ COGNITIVE PSYCHOLOGY
+ (no comment!)
+
+ JOURNAL OF MATHEMATICAL PSYCHOLOGY
+ (several good book reviews)
+
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2. International Student Society for Neural Networks (ISSNNets).
Membership is $5 per year.
! Address: ISSNNet Membership, 111 Cummington St., Rm. 244, Boston, MA 02215.
3. Women In Neural Network Research and technology (WINNERS).
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2. International Student Society for Neural Networks (ISSNNets).
Membership is $5 per year.
! Address: ISSNNet, Inc., P.O. Box 15661, Boston, MA 02215 USA
3. Women In Neural Network Research and technology (WINNERS).
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*** 664,667 ****
--- 906,910 ----
Address: WINNERS, c/o Judith Dayhoff, 11141 Georgia Ave., Suite 206,
Wheaton, MD 20902. Telephone: 301-933-9000.
+
4. European Neural Network Society (ENNS)
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-A14.) Other sources of information about NNs ?
! [preliminary]
!
! 1. The "Neuroprose-Archive"
! over 100 reports and articles in Postscript form via anonymous ftp
! from archive.cis.ohio-state.edu (128.146.8.52)
! in directory pub/neuroprose
!
! 2. Neuron Digest
Internet Mailing List.
Moderated by Peter Marvit.
--- 913,917 ----
-A14.) Other sources of information about NNs ?
! 1. Neuron Digest
Internet Mailing List.
Moderated by Peter Marvit.
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*** 683,690 ****
comp.ai.neural-net readers find the messages there also.
! 3. Usenet group comp.ai.neural-nets
(Do not forget that ! :-> )
! 4. Echo discussion area NEURAL_NET
Available thrugh FidoNet, RBBS-Net, and other EchoMail compatible
bulletin board systems.
--- 919,926 ----
comp.ai.neural-net readers find the messages there also.
! 2. Usenet group comp.ai.neural-nets
(Do not forget that ! :-> )
! 3. Echo discussion area NEURAL_NET
Available thrugh FidoNet, RBBS-Net, and other EchoMail compatible
bulletin board systems.
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*** 691,695 ****
Moderated by Wesley R. Elsberry.
! 5. Neural ftp archive site funic.funet.fi
Is administrating a large collection of neural network papers and
software at the Finnish University Network file archive site
--- 927,931 ----
Moderated by Wesley R. Elsberry.
! 4. Neural ftp archive site funic.funet.fi
Is administrating a large collection of neural network papers and
software at the Finnish University Network file archive site
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*** 702,705 ****
--- 938,945 ----
ma...@utu.fi (my home university address)
+ 5. USENET newsgroup comp.org.issnnet
+ Forum for discussion of academic/student-related issues in NNs, as
+ well as information on ISSNNet (see A13) and its activities.
+
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*** 744,756 ****
created by Yoshiro Miyata. The SunTools version is not
supported.
- The 60-page User's Guide has been split into three separate
- postscript files so that each can be printed from a printer
- with limited memory. Print the files doc/PlaNet_doc{1,2,3}.ps
- from your postscript printer. See the doc/README file for
- printing the Reference Manual.
-
- Enjoy!! And send any questions to miy...@boulder.colorado.edu.
-
5. GENESIS
anonymous ftp 131.215.135.64 ( genesis.cns.caltech.edu )
--- 984,990 ----
created by Yoshiro Miyata. The SunTools version is not
supported.
+ 60-page User's Guide in Postscript.
+ Send any questions to miy...@boulder.colorado.edu.
5. GENESIS
anonymous ftp 131.215.135.64 ( genesis.cns.caltech.edu )
***************
*** 786,799 ****
ftp> get cascor1.c
- A technical report descibing the Cascade Correlation algorithm
- may be obtained as follows:
-
- unix> ftp archive.cis.ohio-state.edu (or 128.146.8.52)
- Name: anonymous
- Password: neuron
- ftp> cd pub/neuroprose
- ftp> binary
- ftp> get fahlman.cascor-tr.ps.Z
-
9. Quickprop
A variation of the back-propagation algorithm developed by
--- 1020,1023 ----
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*** 864,868 ****
--- 1088,1095 ----
Denni Rognvaldsson <de...@thep.lu.se>
Wesley R. Elsberry <elsb...@cse.uta.edu>
+ gaud...@park.bu.edu
g...@minster.york.ac.uk
+ William Mackeown <mack...@compsci.bristol.ac.uk>
+ Michael Plonski <plo...@aero.org>
[myself]
Ted Stockwell <t...@aps1.spa.umn.edu>
--
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Institut fuer Programmstrukturen und Datenorganisation | complicate things,
Universitaet Karlsruhe; D-7500 Karlsruhe 1; Germany | they get
(Voice: ++49/721/608-4317, FAX: ++49/721/697760) | less simple.
--- nn.body Mon Sep 23 17:18:17 1991
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*** 1,4 ****
! (FAQ means "Frequently Asked Questions") Date: 16.09.1991
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--- 1,4 ----
! (FAQ means "Frequently Asked Questions") Date: 23.09.1991
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*** 68,72 ****
before the group's creation ?]
! The newsgroup comp.ai.neural-nets is inteded as a form for people who want
to use or explore the capabilities of Neural Networks or Neural-Network-like
structures.
--- 68,72 ----
before the group's creation ?]
! The newsgroup comp.ai.neural-nets is inteded as a forum for people who want
to use or explore the capabilities of Neural Networks or Neural-Network-like
structures.
***************
*** 175,179 ****
"Start discussion: this-and-that"
(People who react on this, please remove the
! "Start discussion:" label from the subject line of your replies)
It is quite difficult to keep a discussion from drifting into chaos,
--- 175,179 ----
"Start discussion: this-and-that"
(People who react on this, please remove the
! "Start discussion: " label from the subject line of your replies)
It is quite difficult to keep a discussion from drifting into chaos,
***************
*** 181,185 ****
to be no secure way to avoid this.
On the other hand, comp.ai.neural-nets has not had many problems
! with this effect until today, so let's just go and hope... :->
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- 181,185 ----
to be no secure way to avoid this.
On the other hand, comp.ai.neural-nets has not had many problems
! with this effect in the past, so let's just go and hope... :->
------------------------------------------------------------------------
***************
*** 193,198 ****
A vague description is as follows:
! A network of many very simple processors connected by communication channels
! which carry numeric (as opposed to symbolic) data.
The design motivation is what distinguishes neural networks from other
mathematical techniques:
--- 193,203 ----
A vague description is as follows:
! A NN is a network of many very simple processors ("units"), each with a
! (small amount of) local memory, who are connected by unidirectional
! communication channels ("connections"), which carry numeric (as
! opposed to symbolic) data.
! The units operate only on their local data and on the inputs
! they receive via the connections.
!
The design motivation is what distinguishes neural networks from other
mathematical techniques:
***************
*** 511,514 ****
--- 516,522 ----
Pao, Y. H. (1989). Adaptive Pattern Recognition and Neural Networks
Addison-Wesley Publishing Company, Inc. (ISBN 0-201-12584-6)
+ Comments: "An excellent book that ties together classical approaches
+ to pattern recognition with Neural Nets. Most other NN books do not
+ even mention conventional approaches."
Rumelhart, D. E., Hinton, G. E. and Williams, R. J. (1986). Learning
***************
*** 547,551 ****
software from the '70s. For anyone who wants to do active research in the
field I consider it quite inadequate"; "Okay, but too shallow"; "Quite
! easy to understand".
Zeidenberg. M. (1990). Neural Networks in Artificial Intelligence.
--- 555,562 ----
software from the '70s. For anyone who wants to do active research in the
field I consider it quite inadequate"; "Okay, but too shallow"; "Quite
! easy to understand";
! "The best bedtime reading for Neural Networks. I have given
! this book to numerous collegues who want to know NN basics, but who never
! plan to implement anything. An excellent book to give your manager."
Zeidenberg. M. (1990). Neural Networks in Artificial Intelligence.
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-A11.) Any journals and magazines about Neural Networks ?
- [preliminary]
- [Name of journals, their editors and publishers, comments on speed
- of reviewing and publishing, whether they accept TeX format or ASCII by
- e-mail, etc.]
A. Dedicated Neural Network Journals:
! 1. Neural Networks
! through INNS (International Neural Network Society)
! 2. IEEE Transactions on Neural Networks
! $75 for non-members, $10 for IEEE sponsoring society members,
! $15 for other IEEE members.
! Address: IEEE Service Center, CP Department/P.O. Box 1331,
! 455 Hoes Lane, Piscataway, NJ 08855-1331.
! 3. Neural Computation
! Published quarterly
! MIT Press, 55 Hayward Street, Cambridge, MA 02142,
! Telephone: ++617-253-2889.
! 4. Journal of Neural Network Computing
! The hands-on journal, with emphasis placed on applications.
! Published quarterly. Edited by Harold Szu.
! Subscription is $145 per year. To order, call: ++800-950-1216.
! 5. International Journal of Neural Systems
! Published quarterly
! Eds. B. Lautrup & S. Brunak
! World Scientific Publ. Co.
! Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
! or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
! or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
! 6. Connection Science (Journal of Neural Computing, AI and Cognitive Research)
! published quarterly
! Ed. N.E. Sharkey
! Carfax Publ. Co., P.O.Box 25, Abingdon, Oxfordshire OX14 3UE, UK
- B. Journals occasionally concerned with NNs
- 1. AI Expert
- Regularly includes ANN related articles, product
- announcements, and application reports.
- Listings of ANN programs are available on AI Expert affiliated BBS's
- Miller Freeman Publishing Co., for subscription call ++415-267-7672.
- 2. Journal of Cognitive Neuroscience
- Published quarterly.
- $53 for individuals, $35 for students or retired persons.
- MIT Press, 55 Hayward Street, Cambridge, MA 02142
- Telephone: ++617-253-2889.
- 3. Cognitive Science
- 4. Biological Cybernetics
- 5. Complex Systems
- 6. International Journal of Modern Physics C
- published quarterly
- Eds. G. Fox, H. Herrmann and K. Kaneko
- World Scientific Publ. Co.
- Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
- or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
- or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
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-A11.) Any journals and magazines about Neural Networks ?
+ [to be added: comments on speed of reviewing and publishing,
+ whether they accept TeX format or ASCII by e-mail, etc.]
+
A. Dedicated Neural Network Journals:
! =====================================
! Title: Neural Networks
! Publish: Pergamon Press
! Address: Pergamon Journals Inc., Fairview Park, Elmsford,
! New York 10523, USA and Pergamon Journals Ltd.
! Headington Hill Hall, Oxford OX3, 0BW, England
! Freq.: 6 issues/year (vol. 1 in 1988)
! Cost/Yr: Free with INNS membership ($45?), Individual $65, Institution $175
! ISSN #: 0893-6080
! Remark: Official Journal of International Neural Network Society (INNS).
! Contains Original Contributions, Invited Review Articles, Letters
! to Editor, Invited Book Reviews, Editorials, Announcements and INNS
! News, Software Surveys. This is probably the most popular NN journal.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -------
! Title: Neural Computation
! Publish: MIT Press
! Address: MIT Press Journals, 55 Hayward Street Cambridge,
! MA 02142-9949, USA, Phone: (617) 253-2889
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $45, Institution $90, Students $35; Add $9 Outside USA
! ISSN #: 0899-7667
! Remark: Combination of Reviews (10,000 words), Views (4,000 words)
! and Letters (2,000 words). I have found this journal to be of
! outstanding quality.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -----
! Title: IEEE Transaction on Neural Networks
! Publish: Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE)
! Address: IEEE Service Cemter, 445 Hoes Lane, P.O. Box 1331, Piscataway, NJ,
! 08855-1331 USA. Tel: (201) 981-0060
! Cost/Yr: $10 for Members belonging to participating IEEE societies
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in March 1990)
! Remark: Devoted to the science and technology of neural networks
! which disclose significant technical knowledge, exploratory
! developments and applications of neural networks from biology to
! software to hardware. Emphasis is on artificial neural networks.
! Specific aspects include self organizing systems, neurobiological
! connections, network dynamics and architecture, speech recognition,
! electronic and photonic implementation, robotics and controls.
! Includes Letters concerning new research results.
! (Note: Remarks are from journal announcement)
! -----
! Title: Journal of Neural Network Computing,
! Technology, Design, and Applications
! Publish: Auerback Publishers
! Address: Auerback Publishers, 210 South Street, Boston, MA 02111-9812
! Tel: (800) 950-1216
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in Summer 1989)
! Cost/Yr: $145 in USA
! Remark: 3 to 5 in-depth articles per issue; Bookshelf Section which
! provides a several page introduction to a specific topic
! (e.g. feedforward networks) and a list of references for further
! reading on that topic; Software Reviews. Good quality, but a little
! expensive for personal subscriptions. I got my corporate library
! to buy it so I wouldn't have to.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by Mike Plonski "plo...@aero.org")
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neural Systems
! Publish: World Scientific Publishing
! Address: USA: World Scientific Publishing Co., 687 Hartwell Street, Teaneck,
! NJ 07666. Tel: (201) 837-8858; Eurpoe: World Scientific Publishing
! Co. Pte. Ltd., 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20-8DH, England.
! Tel: (01) 4462461; Other: World Scientific Publishing Co. Pte. Ltd.,
! Farrer Road, P.O. Box 128, Singapore 9128. Tel: 2786188
! Freq.: Quarterly (Vol. 1 in 1990?)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $42, Institution $88 (plus $9-$17 for postage)
! ISSN #: 0129-0657 (IJNS)
! Remark: The International Journal of Neural Systems is a quarterly journal
! which covers information processing in natural and artificial neural
! systems. It publishes original contributions on all aspects of this
! broad subject which involves physics, biology, psychology, computer
! science and engineering. Contributions include research papers,
! reviews and short communications. The journal presents a fresh
! undogmatic attitude towards this multidisciplinary field with the
! aim to be a forum for novel ideas and improved understanding of
! collective and cooperative phenomena with computational capabilities.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by B. Lautrup (editor),
! "LAUTRUP%nbivax...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU" )
! ------
! Title: Neural Network News
! Publish: AIWeek Inc.
! Address: Neural Network News, 2555 Cumberland Parkway, Suite 299, Atlanta, GA
! 30339 USA. Tel: (404) 434-2187
! Freq.: Monthly (beginning September 1989)
! Cost/Yr: USA and Canada $249, Elsewhere $299
! Remark: Commericial Newsletter
! ------
! Title: Network: Computation in Neural Systems
! Publish: IOP Publishing Ltd
! Address: Europe: IOP Publishing Ltd, Techno House, Redcliffe Way, Bristol
! BS1 6NX, UK; IN USA: American Institute of Physics, Subscriber
! Services 500 Sunnyside Blvd., Woodbury, NY 11797-2999
! Freq.: Quarterly (1st issue 1990)
! Cost/Yr: USA: $180, Europe: 110 pounds
! Remark: Description: "a forum for integrating theoretical and experimental
! findings across relevant interdisciplinary boundaries." Contents:
! Submitted articles reviewed by two technical referees paper's
! interdisciplinary format and accessability." Also Viewpoints and
! Reviews commissioned by the editors, abstracts (with reviews) of
! articles published in other journals, and book reviews.
! Comment: While the price discourages me (my comments are based upon
! a free sample copy), I think that the journal succeeds very well. The
! highest density of interesting articles I have found in any journal.
! (Note: Remarks supplied by brandt kehoe "ke...@csufres.CSUFresno.EDU")
! ------
! Title: Connection Science: Journal of Neural Computing,
! Artificial Intelligence and Cognitive Research
! Publish: Carfax Publishing
! Address: Europe: Carfax Publishing Company, P. O. Box 25, Abingdon,
! Oxfordshire OX14 3UE, UK. USA: Carafax Publishing Company,
! 85 Ash Street, Hopkinton, MA 01748
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: Individual $82, Institution $184, Institution (U.K.) 74 pounds
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neural Networks
! Publish: Learned Information
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Cost/Yr: 90 pounds
! ISSN #: 0954-9889
! Remark: The journal contains articles, a conference report (at least the
! issue I have), news and a calendar.
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! -----
! Title: Concepts in NeuroScience
! Publish: World Scientific Publishing
! Address: Same Address (?) as for International Journal of Neural Systems
! Freq.: Twice per year (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: Mainly Review Articles(?)
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -----
! Title: International Journal of Neurocomputing
! Publish: ecn Neurocomputing GmbH
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: Commercial journal, not the academic periodicals
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -----
! Title: Neurocomputers
! Publish: Gallifrey Publishing
! Address: Gallifrey Publishing, PO Box 155, Vicksburg, Michigan, 49097, USA
! Tel: (616) 649-3772
! Freq. Monthly (1st issue 1987?)
! ISSN #: 0893-1585
! Editor: Derek F. Stubbs
! Cost/Yr: $32 (USA, Canada), $48 (elsewhere)
! Remark: I only have one exemplar so I cannot give you much detail about
! the contents. It is a very small one (12 pages) but it has a lot
! of (short) information in it about e.g. conferences, books,
! (new) ideas etc. I don't think it is very expensive but I'm not sure.
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! ------
! Title: JNNS Newsletter (Newsletter of the Japan Neural Network Society)
! Publish: The Japan Neural Network Society
! Freq.: Quarterly (vol. 1 in 1989)
! Remark: (IN JAPANESE LANGUAGE) Official Newsletter of the Japan Neural
! Network Society(JNNS)
! (Note: remarks by Osamu Saito "saito%nttica...@relay.cs.net)
! -------
! Title: Neural Networks Today
! Remark: I found this title in a bulletin board of october last year.
! It was a message of Tim Pattison, tim...@augean.OZ
! (Note: remark provided by J.R.M. Smits "an...@sci.kun.nl")
! -----
! Title: Computer Simulations in Brain Science
! -----
! Title: Internation Journal of Neuroscience
! -----
! Title: Neural Network Computation
! Remark: Possibly the same as "Neural Computation"
+ B. NN Related Journals
+ ======================
+
+ Title: Complex Systems
+ Publish: Complex Systems Publications
+ Address: Complex Systems Publications, Inc., P.O. Box 6149, Champaign,
+ IL 61821-8149, USA
+ Freq.: 6 times per year (1st volume is 1987)
+ ISSN #: 0891-2513
+ Cost/Yr: Individual $75, Institution $225
+ Remark: Journal COMPLEX SYSTEMS devotes to the rapid publication of research
+ on the science, mathematics, and engineering of systems with simple
+ components but complex overall behavior. Send mail to
+ "j...@complex.ccsr.uiuc.edu" for additional info.
+ (Remark is from announcement on Net)
+ -----
+ Title: Biological Cybernetics (Kybernetik)
+ Publish: Springer Verlag
+ Remark: Monthly (vol. 1 in 1961)
+ -----
+ Title: Various IEEE Transactions and Magazines
+ Publish: IEEE
+ Remark: Primarily see IEEE Trans. on System, Man and Cybernetics; Various
+ Special Issues: April 1990 IEEE Control Systems Magazine.; May 1989
+ IEEE Trans. Circuits and Systems.; July 1988 IEEE Trans. Acoust.
+ Speech Signal Process.
+ -----
+ Title: The Journal of Experimental and Theoretical Artificial Intelligence
+ Publish: Taylor & Francis, Ltd.
+ Address: London, New York, Philadelphia
+ Freq.: ? (1st issue Jan 1989)
+ Remark: For submission information, please contact either of the editors:
+ Eric Dietrich Chris Fields
+ PACSS - Department of Philosophy Box 30001/3CRL
+ SUNY Binghamton New Mexico State University
+ Binghamton, NY 13901 Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001
+ diet...@bingvaxu.cc.binghamton.edu cfi...@nmsu.edu
+ -----
+ Title: The Behavioral and Brain Sciences
+ Publish: Cambridge University Press
+ Remark: (Expensive as hell, I'm sure.)
+ This is a delightful journal that encourages discussion on a
+ variety of controversial topics. I have especially enjoyed reading
+ some papers in there by Dana Ballard and Stephen Grossberg (separate
+ papers, not collaborations) a few years back. They have a really neat
+ concept: they get a paper, then invite a number of noted scientists
+ in the field to praise it or trash it. They print these commentaries,
+ and give the author(s) a chance to make a rebuttal or concurrence.
+ Sometimes, as I'm sure you can imagine, things get pretty lively. I'm
+ reasonably sure they are still at it--I think I saw them make a call
+ for reviewers a few months ago. Their reviewers are called something
+ like Behavioral and Brain Associates, and I believe they have to be
+ nominated by current associates, and should be fairly well established
+ in the field. That's probably more than I really know about it but
+ maybe if you post it someone who knows more about it will correct any
+ errors I have made. The main thing is that I liked the articles I
+ read. (Note: remarks by Don Wunsch <dwu...@blake.acs.washington.edu>)
+ -----
+ Title: International Journal of Applied Intelligence
+ Publish: Kluwer Academic Publishers
+ Remark: first issue in 1990(?)
+ -----
+ Title: Bulletin of Mathematica Biology
+ -----
+ Title: Intelligence
+ -----
+ Title: Journal of Mathematical Biology
+ -----
+ Title: Journal of Complex System
+ -----
+ Title: AI Expert
+ Publish: Miller Freeman Publishing Co., for subscription call ++415-267-7672.
+ Remark: Regularly includes ANN related articles, product
+ announcements, and application reports.
+ Listings of ANN programs are available on AI Expert affiliated BBS's
+ -----
+ Title: International Journal of Modern Physics C
+ Publish: World Scientific Publ. Co.
+ Farrer Rd. P.O.Box 128, Singapore 9128
+ or: 687 Hartwell St., Teaneck, N.J. 07666 U.S.A
+ or: 73 Lynton Mead, Totteridge, London N20 8DH, England
+ Freq: published quarterly
+ Eds: G. Fox, H. Herrmann and K. Kaneko
+
+
+
+ C. Journals loosely related to NNs
+ ==================================
+
+ JOURNAL OF COMPLEXITY
+ (Must rank alongside Wolfram's Complex Systems)
+
+ IEEE ASSP Magazine
+ (April 1987 had the Lippmann intro. which everyone likes to cite)
+
+ ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE
+ (Vol 40, September 1989 had the survey paper by Hinton)
+
+ COGNITIVE SCIENCE
+ (the Boltzmann machine paper by Ackley et al appeared here in Vol 9, 1983)
+
+ COGNITION
+ (Vol 28, March 1988 contained the Fodor and Pylyshyn critique of connectionism)
+
+ COGNITIVE PSYCHOLOGY
+ (no comment!)
+
+ JOURNAL OF MATHEMATICAL PSYCHOLOGY
+ (several good book reviews)
+
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2. International Student Society for Neural Networks (ISSNNets).
Membership is $5 per year.
! Address: ISSNNet Membership, 111 Cummington St., Rm. 244, Boston, MA 02215.
3. Women In Neural Network Research and technology (WINNERS).
--- 901,905 ----
2. International Student Society for Neural Networks (ISSNNets).
Membership is $5 per year.
! Address: ISSNNet, Inc., P.O. Box 15661, Boston, MA 02215 USA
3. Women In Neural Network Research and technology (WINNERS).
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*** 664,667 ****
--- 906,910 ----
Address: WINNERS, c/o Judith Dayhoff, 11141 Georgia Ave., Suite 206,
Wheaton, MD 20902. Telephone: 301-933-9000.
+
4. European Neural Network Society (ENNS)
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*** 670,681 ****
-A14.) Other sources of information about NNs ?
! [preliminary]
!
! 1. The "Neuroprose-Archive"
! over 100 reports and articles in Postscript form via anonymous ftp
! from archive.cis.ohio-state.edu (128.146.8.52)
! in directory pub/neuroprose
!
! 2. Neuron Digest
Internet Mailing List.
Moderated by Peter Marvit.
--- 913,917 ----
-A14.) Other sources of information about NNs ?
! 1. Neuron Digest
Internet Mailing List.
Moderated by Peter Marvit.
***************
*** 683,690 ****
comp.ai.neural-net readers find the messages there also.
! 3. Usenet group comp.ai.neural-nets
(Do not forget that ! :-> )
! 4. Echo discussion area NEURAL_NET
Available thrugh FidoNet, RBBS-Net, and other EchoMail compatible
bulletin board systems.
--- 919,926 ----
comp.ai.neural-net readers find the messages there also.
! 2. Usenet group comp.ai.neural-nets
(Do not forget that ! :-> )
! 3. Echo discussion area NEURAL_NET
Available thrugh FidoNet, RBBS-Net, and other EchoMail compatible
bulletin board systems.
***************
*** 691,695 ****
Moderated by Wesley R. Elsberry.
! 5. Neural ftp archive site funic.funet.fi
Is administrating a large collection of neural network papers and
software at the Finnish University Network file archive site
--- 927,931 ----
Moderated by Wesley R. Elsberry.
! 4. Neural ftp archive site funic.funet.fi
Is administrating a large collection of neural network papers and
software at the Finnish University Network file archive site
***************
*** 702,705 ****
--- 938,945 ----
ma...@utu.fi (my home university address)
+ 5. USENET newsgroup comp.org.issnnet
+ Forum for discussion of academic/student-related issues in NNs, as
+ well as information on ISSNNet (see A13) and its activities.
+
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*** 744,756 ****
created by Yoshiro Miyata. The SunTools version is not
supported.
- The 60-page User's Guide has been split into three separate
- postscript files so that each can be printed from a printer
- with limited memory. Print the files doc/PlaNet_doc{1,2,3}.ps
- from your postscript printer. See the doc/README file for
- printing the Reference Manual.
-
- Enjoy!! And send any questions to miy...@boulder.colorado.edu.
-
5. GENESIS
anonymous ftp 131.215.135.64 ( genesis.cns.caltech.edu )
--- 984,990 ----
created by Yoshiro Miyata. The SunTools version is not
supported.
+ 60-page User's Guide in Postscript.
+ Send any questions to miy...@boulder.colorado.edu.
5. GENESIS
anonymous ftp 131.215.135.64 ( genesis.cns.caltech.edu )
***************
*** 786,799 ****
ftp> get cascor1.c
- A technical report descibing the Cascade Correlation algorithm
- may be obtained as follows:
-
- unix> ftp archive.cis.ohio-state.edu (or 128.146.8.52)
- Name: anonymous
- Password: neuron
- ftp> cd pub/neuroprose
- ftp> binary
- ftp> get fahlman.cascor-tr.ps.Z
-
9. Quickprop
A variation of the back-propagation algorithm developed by
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*** 864,868 ****
--- 1088,1095 ----
Denni Rognvaldsson <de...@thep.lu.se>
Wesley R. Elsberry <elsb...@cse.uta.edu>
+ gaud...@park.bu.edu
g...@minster.york.ac.uk
+ William Mackeown <mack...@compsci.bristol.ac.uk>
+ Michael Plonski <plo...@aero.org>
[myself]
Ted Stockwell <t...@aps1.spa.umn.edu>
--
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Institut fuer Programmstrukturen und Datenorganisation | complicate things,
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I have read this discussion group for most of this year. Many of the
articles pertain to NN's per se, it seems. However, I am interested in
the process of preparing data (e.g. normalizing data) for NN consumption.
articles pertain to NN's per se, it seems. However, I am interested in
the process of preparing data (e.g. normalizing data) for NN consumption.
To the extent that I have limited practicle experience with NN's (e.g.
played with some simulators provided in a text book), and limited
theoretical knowledge of NN's, I am uncertain as to how to proceed
with application development. It would seem that there are a fair
number of NN simulators available. Once acquired, I am uncertain how
some kinds of data might be employeed.
Are there any texts on this subject? Is there interest in exchanging
descriptions of relavent personal experience here?
thanks in advance.
barry
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