Re: November paper

[Bill Batt]

Thanks, Mark.  You sent me this one awhile ago, and despite your efforts at trranslation, I didn't find it very useful.  But I spent quite a bit of time exploring other sources, and they are online now at Ed Dodson's site -- see School of Cooperative Individualism / Biographical History of the Georgist Movement - United States - Ba-Be,  scrolling down to my name.

In perhaps in less extended form, I've passed these pieces to Lindy for use in the next Georgist Journal, in Nadine's Groundswell, and in the IU 's newsletter, the IU View, if Alanna can get the time.  I've got lots more articles, in books i purchased to copied parts of, that have wonderful pieces by Marti.  The best is in the book edited by Eric Foner -- Inside the Monster.  I hope to get them to Ed soon.  B.

 

 

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On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:16 PM, "Schal...@aol.com" <Schal...@aol.com> wrote:

Dear Jeff, (Bill, et al),

 

Attached is a copy of a paper on Marti, George and Marx that was written for and delivered at Robert Schalkenbach Foundation in 2002.  Feel free to send it as background along with your proposal to the conference organizers.

 

Sincerely,

 

Mark

 

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In a message dated 9/24/2014 7:39:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hwb...@yahoo.com writes:

Jeff: I have worked a bit with Ed Dodson to get some good articles with a Georgist bent on this site:  http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/georgists_cuba.html.   I've got a list of lots more that I have hard copies of. Right now, I'm not at my desk, but I should be able to pass them along later, and perhaps Ed can put them up -- on the site that he has started or perhaps on another site.   B. 

 

 

Bill Batt
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On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:11 PM, Jeffery J. Smith <j...@geonomics.org> wrote:

Cuba's changing. Shall we be part of the change? Send all us Spanish speaking geoists.

Begin forwarded message:

From: Charles McKelvey <ce...@presby.edu>

Date: September 24, 2014 3:37:46 PM PDT

To: "Jeffery J. Smith" <j...@geonomics.org>

Subject: Re: November paper

Reply-To: ce...@presby.edu

Dear Mr. Smith,

    Thank you for your inquiry.  Your perspective on Martí and on
socialism appears to be different in important respects from that of
the Latin American Left, which is integrally tied to the Latin
American popular movements and revolutions from the 19th to the 21st
centuries.  Nevertheless, the Organizing Committee is interested in
dialogue with scholars and activists from the North, and I am sure
that the Committee would view favorably a proposal for a panel from
the Forum on Geonomics on Martí, geonomics, or other relevant theme.

     Please send a panel proposal, and I will present it to the
Committee.  The proposal should have the name and institutional
affiliation of each panelist.  An abstract of 250 to 450 words should
be included.  It could be a single abstract for the panel, or an
abstract for the presentation of each panelist.

     If you encounter difficulties in organizing a panel, and
alternative plan would be to send an abstract of a paper proposal for
one or two participants, and the paper(s) would be included in other
panels.

     Best wishes,

    Charles McKelvey
    Professor Emeritus
    Presbyterian College
    Clinton, South Carolina

    Section on Political Science from the South
    Division of Philosophy and History
    University of Havana
    Havana, Cuba

    Global Learning, LLC
    http://www.globallearning-cuba.com


See the blog at the Global Learning Website, “The View from the South:
Commentaries on world events from the Third World perspective.”  Find
it at http://www.globallearning-cuba.com/blog-the-view-from-the-south.html.



On 9/18/14, Jeffery J. Smith <j...@geonomics.org> wrote:

Hola, companero;

Is anyone signed up yet to cover Jose Marti? If not, and if that slice of

history would be of interest, I could regale people with summarizing his

views, which align closely with today's third-way political economics of

geoism or geonomics.

In the past, similar ideas went by Georgism (Marti endorsed that American

thinker, as did Madero) and physiocracy which had influence throughout Latin

America -- Argentina's first president Rivadavia was a physiocrat. Some

older variants -- the insights of Spinoza and Mencius -- did not much bear

on the Latin intellectual lineage.

Geoism, while focused on environment and natural feedback loops in

ecosystems as models for fair economies, is also like a new socialism, in

that it requires cooperation and calls for distributive justice -- that is,

a social dividend from all the various rents to be recovered by government.

Utilizing these fiscal tools, Cuba could avoid many of the pitfalls that the

Soviet republics stumbled into (or were led into).

Because such policies can appeal across the spectrum -- you have people like

Friedman endorsing both a land tax and a basic income -- geonomic policy

could be gradually won in the North, too.

Once fully implemented -- zero corporate welfare + a rent dividend for all

-- then look for the transformation of all societies.

Let me know if such a paper would be of interest. Thanks. I could present it

in either idioma. Sincerely,

SMITH, Jeffery J.

Outreach/Website, CommonGroundOrWa.org

President, Forum on Geonomics

Editor, www.progress.org

Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.

SMITH, Jeffery J.

Outreach/Website, CommonGroundOrWa.org

President, Forum on Geonomics

Editor, www.progress.org

Share Earth's worth to prosper and conserve.

[Jeffery J. Smith]

On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:16 PM, Schal...@aol.com wrote:

Dear Jeff, (Bill, et al),

 

Attached is a copy of a paper on Marti, George and Marx that was written for and delivered at Robert Schalkenbach Foundation in 2002.  Feel free to send it as background along with your proposal to the conference organizers.

Thanks, Mark. Should I send a proposal to the conference organizers? It's only worth my time if movement trustees see the wisdom of investing in the Cuban metamorphosis. Now is the crucial time to send people who know relationships matter more than sound arguments (which are also important).

Warmly yours for geo-justice,

From: Charles McKelvey <ce...@presby.edu>

Date: September 24, 2014 3:37:46 PM PDT

To: "Jeffery J. Smith" <j...@geonomics.org>

Subject: Re: November paper

Reply-To: ce...@presby.edu

     Please send a panel proposal, and I will present it to the
Committee.  The proposal should have the name and institutional
affiliation of each panelist.  An abstract of 250 to 450 words should
be included.  It could be a single abstract for the panel, or an
abstract for the presentation of each panelist.

[Jeffery J. Smith]

On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:27 PM, Bill Batt wrote:

 I've got lots more articles, in books i purchased to copied parts of, that have wonderful pieces by Marti.  The best is in the book edited by Eric Foner -- Inside the Monster.  I hope to get them to Ed soon.  B.

While I hope they find a non-Georgist readership!

[Jeffery J. Smith]

On Sep 24, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Ed wrote:

 

I decided to try to collect into one location as many papers and articles on and by Marti as I could from sources I accessed online. The result is a new Jose Marti page on my School of Cooperative Individualism website –

Let's make Ed's work as useful as possible to today's Cubans who're involved in their transition and looking to both their past and future.

[Bill Batt]

Jeff, Ed and all: I don't think we need any more articles on Marti; I've pretty much covered the ground on what's necessary, and I've sent them to the people I met in Cuba who are the pivotal decision-makers at University of Havana.  The key person is Camilla Pineiro Honecker, whose husband is the reporter for the US National Public Radio, Nick Miroff.  And Nick's father is a political scientist at SUNY Albany, the leading author on McGovern's political life.  Camilla's book -- see on Amazon -- is Cooperatives and Socialism, published by Palgrave Press.   

What I think is most worthwhile is collecting all the articles of Marti that relate to his Georgist ideas, something I'm trying to do now.  B. 

 

Bill Batt
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[Jeffery J. Smith]

On Sep 26, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Bill Batt wrote:

Jeff, Ed and all: I don't think we need any more articles on Marti; I've pretty much covered the ground on what's necessary, and I've sent them to the people I met in Cuba who are the pivotal decision-makers at University of Havana.  The key person is Camilla Pineiro Honecker, whose husband is the reporter for the US National Public Radio, Nick Miroff.  And Nick's father is a political scientist at SUNY Albany, the leading author on McGovern's political life.  Camilla's book -- see on Amazon -- is Cooperatives and Socialism, published by Palgrave Press.   

What I think is most worthwhile is collecting all the articles of Marti that relate to his Georgist ideas, something I'm trying to do now.  B.

Good work, Bill. What do you hear back from those recipients? Let's hope no more is needed to geonomize Cuba.

[Bill Batt]

Jeff, things don't happen overnight especially in Cuba.  I gave materials to people I met with that were the pivotal people in policy. But I think Fidel will have to pass before any possibilities of change -- as I noted in one of the pieces on Ed's site under my name.

I think it would help if we had someone who could read Spanish to look at work that was inaccessible to me.  I'll be glad to suggest the work once we have the volunteers.  B. 

 

Bill Batt
680 N. Pearl St., Albany, New York 12204-1729
v: 518-462-5068; fax: 866-492-9804  hwb...@yahoo.com
*The fox knows many things--the hedgehog one big one* 
Archilochus (c.650 B.C.)