C500 vs WC 7665 vs. DC 2045

[indolering]

Hello all,
My work is in desperate need of a new printer. We have run the miles
on our old Canons and need something new.

We all want a 240/250, it would be the perfect fit. Color, B+W,
amazing quality, stock capabilities, etc. BUT the upfront cost is too
much for us right now.

I have been advocating a 7665 which I had a sales person pitching me
about a year ago. It has good quality but the built in RIP constrains
our workflow. Has anyone had experience with a 3rd party workflow or
software RIP?

On the technical side my boss also doesn't believe that it is the same
basic 240/250 engine, quizzing me about technical details of how the
toner and fuser oil are combined. He is wanting a C500, but I am very
hesitant seeing some of the back and forth about it on the web and my
previous experience with KM.

I have a salesperson banging on my door over a 2045- anyone have any
experience there?

Finally the finisher, has anyone done serious work on the saddle
stitch for any of these machines? In my past experience any
production folding needs a dedicated machine.

Thanks
-indo

[John Henry]

http://members.whattheythink.com/evt/07/od/od07andy2.cfm

The 500 and others are good machines, but now dated. You want the 6500, Read
the article above.

John M. Henry
Mitchell Printing & Mailing Company
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Thanks
-indo

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[Zach Lym]

> Having gone the CPP500 Ikon route which is the C500 stamped on back of
> Konica Minolta - and still running a lawsuit to settle, I suggest at least
> trying a Xerox at same time as any Konica Minolta product.

I am not in charge of purchasing, I only get to advise, but I will throw that out there. 

>They have a 10,000 back on new leased
> machines now  in Canada but if you want to buy or lease purchase offer it
> and see if they bite.
Does that mean they have 10K machines back from leases in Canada?

In terms of availably of used I was told "not really"

I think they are quoting us around $50K here.  I am in Seattle, maybe I should take a day trip across the border!

What about leasing, what has everyones experience with it been?

Thanks,
Zach