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Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 8, 2011, 12:42:29 PM2/8/11
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All,

We need more support to get this idea off the ground. While a lot of
the work will be done by web developers and designers, we also need
people from the various industries to join in and give us their input
as to what they would like to see the site contain.

Your thoughts,

Mike,

David

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Feb 8, 2011, 12:55:34 PM2/8/11
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Nobody will do anything for us until we DIY.

WJho...@aol.com

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Feb 8, 2011, 1:03:24 PM2/8/11
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I agree with Mr Poppin Fresh, I'm ready to start with the content generation :)

Where's the site.

Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 8, 2011, 3:24:30 PM2/8/11
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All,

I've created a folder structure in Google Docs to begin housing the
site.

And I've confirmed that the URL: Collaboration-Alley.com is pointed to
a webserver where the production code can be loaded.

The following should help you determine what type of web architecture
is being used:
Apache version 2.2.15
PHP version 5.2.13
MySQL version 5.0.91-community-log

I am working on the security module for Collaboration Alley. Once I
have it functional on a UNIX platform, I'll post the code to the
Google Docs area for your review.

Other thoughts?

Mike,

Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 8, 2011, 3:37:30 PM2/8/11
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I disagree with the statement that no one will do anything for us
until we have a site to show them. As evidence I site the engagement
I'm having with you presently about this idea. And if you are willing
to support it, I'm sure that there are others out there that are
willing to as well.

Let's go find them =)

Wjhonson

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:21:05 PM2/8/11
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This is all I see when I go there
New Website Under Construction.

That's it.  Can't we at least get a MediaWiki so we can start posting content?

Wjhonson

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:22:24 PM2/8/11
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I asked a few people and they said "let me see your site".
:)




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Sent: Tue, Feb 8, 2011 12:37 pm
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David

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:42:01 PM2/8/11
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For my mind its a coin toss between Drupal, Cake and Zend Framework.
I'll go with the majority vote but I can work in all those frameworks.

Maurice Bizzarri

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:43:10 PM2/8/11
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I can put up a Drupal site in under 15 minutes.

Maurice

David

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:45:25 PM2/8/11
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Yes - thats only one part of the equation. I want to see the whole
project overview before we choose frameworks.

Maurice Bizzarri

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Feb 8, 2011, 4:58:54 PM2/8/11
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who is doing the project overview?  Has it been started yet?  Who will choose frameworks?  

Maurice 

Wjhonson

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Feb 8, 2011, 5:03:54 PM2/8/11
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The outline is started in the Google Docs folders, you should be able to come and make modifications.



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Wjhonson

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Feb 8, 2011, 5:05:41 PM2/8/11
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We need a slogan.  I've pasted up this one

Collaboration Alley
where business meets technology


We can have various offerings and a vote or something

David

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Feb 8, 2011, 5:17:14 PM2/8/11
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How about "Balancing Technical Assets with Technical Debt"? :D

Warren Vail

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Feb 8, 2011, 9:35:39 PM2/8/11
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How about The Path out of the Dark is up Collaboration Alley or the Shortcut to Success is thru Collaboration Alley.

 

Yeah, I know I’m terrible with this stuff, but it is fun.

 

Warren Vail

Vail Systems Technology

war...@vailtech.net

(510) 444-5380


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Wjhonson

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Feb 8, 2011, 10:22:10 PM2/8/11
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I like that one too, the Shortcut to Success.

Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 9, 2011, 12:46:48 AM2/9/11
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The slogan I originally used to interest the community was,
"Collaborate effectively with your fellow freelancer's and
entrepreneurs".

Plz keep in mind, this is a place for all businesses to meet and
collaborate on projects.

Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:10:50 AM2/9/11
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All,

The problem that I would like us to focus on is the question, "What do
freelancers and entrepreneurs need to collaborate with one another
effectively." Is it JUST Drupal, Wiki, WordPress, and alike? Or do
each of these solve parts of the problem, while locking us into a
methodology that may not be suitable for the overall growth needed to
meet a diverse group of freelancers and entrepreneurs we would like to
attract.

Collaboration Alley is not just for techies, it's for many different
kinds of businesses to use. Therefore, I don't mind using existing
systems as a template from which to pull ideas for build our own
system.
And, why I keep asking you to think about what components we want this
site to contain, and build them out. More work yes, but it will have
a better look and feel, and be easier to integrate and grow new
options.

Concerning the project plan. I actually have a project plan - in my
head. And while I could post that plan, I fear that many of you would
be upset with me, because it says nothing about the applications
listed above. Instead it talks about services needed for various
industries to collaborate. Such as Writing Quotes and Proposals,
Building Brochures, Writing Communication Pieces, Tweeting about
organization events, email and discussion board services, Document
Management, Business Building, .... Things that concern how one
business will connect with another business to collaborate on work.

I know that you want to post something and attract people to that
method. I want this too, and I want an environment that attracts them
and gets them to say, "WOW!!! They've really thought about how to make
Collaboration EASY!"

Mike,

WJho...@aol.com

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Feb 9, 2011, 1:30:06 AM2/9/11
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In my mind the *first* step isn't to try to figure out the entire structure, it's to allow people *to* work on figuring out the entire structure :)

So you use a open free-form environment first.  It's not your final result.
It's just a way to allow collaboration on what the structure should be, before the structure is built.  If that makes sense.

After working on Wikipedia for many many years, I can see where the errors were made and how the next one should be built out.  But I couldn't anticipate it, when I started.

WJho...@aol.com

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Feb 9, 2011, 2:06:53 PM2/9/11
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I have to agree with Warren here.

This started as programmer meets entrepreneur to develop web applications.
To me that's doable, like peopleperhour and sites similar to that, but much more focused on one niche.

If this is going to morph into a gigantic task of "people meet people to do whatever", sort of a high-tech Craigslist, I think that's much too large of a project to even scope out properly.

W

David

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Feb 9, 2011, 3:02:25 PM2/9/11
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I think we can graph out a feasible foundation that a small team can
accomplish if we prioritize our ambitions.

I've never seen a project "too large to scope out properly" if you
build the specification around your resources.

WJho...@aol.com

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Feb 9, 2011, 3:33:02 PM2/9/11
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In a message dated 2/9/2011 12:20:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, poppin...@gmail.com writes:


I've never seen a project "too large to scope out properly" if you
build the specification around your resources.


Our resources, at the moment are minimal.
Two of the small team here, have already stated that they don't want to be part of a scope that is so vast.

noonan.m.e

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Feb 9, 2011, 3:34:29 PM2/9/11
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Lets just make the outline, so we can make teams and get this done already.

David

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Feb 9, 2011, 4:40:31 PM2/9/11
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Thats the difference between a brainstorm and a plan. If you have
interest in right sizing this project show up at the Ozone. In my
experience, people who show up to things and get things done are more
valuable than people who bitch about scope in a mail thread.

Wjhonson

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Feb 9, 2011, 4:44:50 PM2/9/11
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And in my mind, people who deliberately mis characterize "pointing out a flaw" as "bitching" shouldn't be involved at all you pompous .... uh thing you.  Who slung mud at you that you wish to sling it at me.

You'll find I do not take it from anyone, so let's not start shall we?




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Maurice Bizzarri

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Feb 9, 2011, 6:33:35 PM2/9/11
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Well I will be asleep when you have your meeting tonight.  I get up early in the AM.

I'll help out if I can.  I

In the meantime, those of you who want to play with Drupal, I created bizzarrisoftware.us as a playground.  You can experiment with Drupal features.
Make yourself an account and I'll OK it.  Nothing is shown to the public at the moment.  I'll add features to it as I have time.  It uses the latest version (Drupal 7) just released last month.


Enjoy.

regards,

Maurice

Maurice Bizzarri
San Francisco, CA 94105

Warren Vail

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Feb 9, 2011, 6:37:11 PM2/9/11
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And things deteriorate, sorry for starting this, but I think the original scope was a good one.  I also don’t think we need to take this effort on to something great.  I think if we can take our experience an develop something that adds to our loosely knit community, that ought to be enough.  The wiki and blog (and other ideas) were all good and on target.

 

I will take a few minutes to share about something that I inherited a few years back.  I have been an independent computer “Consultant” (quite a stretch from programmer, which is what I really was) since about 1977 or so, and in about 1999 - 2000 I was encountering a slowdown in available projects, not sure where to go, and someone suggested that I join an organization called “40 plus” which taught resume writing and job search skills (remember this was about the time the internet was catching on in a big way).  They promoted their ability to help people who were over the age of 40, who had pretty much worked at one place since they had completed college, and found the only way they could now increase their income was to change jobs, looking for work perhaps for the first time since college.  Since I had some experience with web sites, I inherited the task of supporting their website, as volunteering for the organization was part of the requirement for the training.

 

Very soon after that, when the internet changed how job searches were conducted, 40 plus came on hard times, and had trouble adjusting.  So, since I had my own server, I moved their site to one of my servers so that they didn’t have that bill to contend with and there it sets today, 10 years later with nothing new going on.  Coincidentally, it is my belief that everyone on this list is over the age of forty, but I could be wrong.  Would there be any interest in this group in merging the fortyplus.org domain name with our efforts?  My long range plan was to try to turn it into a job/contract board for people over 40 (when I can find the time), but you know how that goes.  This is not exactly collaboration either, but would certainly be less involved than setting up a conference, or are conferences that easy to get going (my instincts say they are lot’s of work)?

 

Actually it seems to me to make more sense to include a job/contract board in Collaboration Alley, than to make collaboration an active addon to http://www.fortyplus.org.

 

Thoughts?

 

Warren Vail

Vail Systems Technology

war...@vailtech.net

(510) 444-5380

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Michael J. Fuhrman

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Feb 9, 2011, 6:46:43 PM2/9/11
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All,

For those that can make it to the Ozone, I look forward to meeting
you. For those that can't, I look forward to meeting you later. And I
think everyone has been providing a lot of good input into what this
project is about from their perspective.

As for the rouwe(sp) that's occurred as long as it's a positive rouwe,
I encourage it. The quality and character you wish to portray is also
just as important as the words that become my grave stone epitaph.
The could be: "He was a visionary who found ways to bring diverse
groups together", or "He was narrow minded and bickered about
differences." Which would you like to have? Personally I choose the
former.

To achieve the former, requires that I not only be nice to myself ...
to praise myself for stepping outside my comfort zone ... but also
thank others for going as far as they can. And to catch the negative
self talk that I may have about others and myself when I feel we
haven't gone as far or as fast as we can. I don't need to be perfect,
or do I need others to reach my level of expectations, I just need to
be good enough, and accept that others are doing their best.

Great companies don't worry about what the competition is doing. They
focus on the problem they are trying to solve. So, note that the
argument you are having right now is an age old argument concerning
collaborating in person vs collaborating through the web. Are there
any good solutions out there that help address this problem that might
be beneficial to Collaboration Alley.com?

Your thoughts,

Mike,

Warren Vail

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Feb 9, 2011, 7:01:26 PM2/9/11
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Currently doing lot’s of Drupal 6 work, It will be a good sanity check to take a look at D7.  I think It’s D8 that is scheduled to get automatic module upgrade and install capability (at least that is the rumor that I heard).

 

Registered as warren, will need ftp access if you would like some help installing modules or themes.  It’s your site so won’t be tempted to add anything you don’t want.

 

Warren Vail

Vail Systems Technology

war...@vailtech.net

(510) 444-5380

Wjhonson

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Feb 9, 2011, 7:09:43 PM2/9/11
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I was thinking of this same thing.  I mean the idea of a job/contract board with resumes and thinking... places like Peopleperhour and LinkedIn already do it so much better than we could.  Why couldn't we have instead something like a mashup site.  Cut and scrap pieces from ... multiple places and then mash them together ?

LinkedIn right now is kinda crappy for jobs, but excellent for Contacts and Resumes.  Dice is excellent for jobs but kinda crappy for collaboration.  PeoplePerHour is excellent for gigs, but crappy for networking.  Etc etc.  Why not create a site which sucks them all into one pile?



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Sent: Wed, Feb 9, 2011 3:37 pm
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And things deteriorate, sorry for starting this, but I think the original scope was a good one.  I also don’t think we need to take this effort on to something great.  I think if we can take our experience an develop something that adds to our loosely knit community, that ought to be enough.  The wiki and blog (and other ideas) were all good and on target.
 
I will take a few minutes to share about something that I inherited a few years back.  I have been an independent computer “Consultant” (quite a stretch from programmer, which is what I really was) since about 1977 or so, and in about 1999 - 2000 I was encountering a slowdown in available projects, not sure where to go, and someone suggested that I join an organization called “40 plus” which taught resume writing and job search skills (remember this was about the time the internet was catching on in a big way).  They promoted their ability to help people who were over the age of 40, who had pretty much worked at one place since they had completed college, and found the only way they could now increase their income was to change jobs, looking for work perhaps for the first time since college.  Since I had some experience with web sites, I inherited the task of supporting their website, as volunteering for the organization was part of the requirement for the training.
 
Very soon after that, when the internet changed how job searches were conducted, 40 plus came on hard times, and had trouble adjusting.  So, since I had my own server, I moved their site to one of my servers so that they didn’t have that bill to contend with and there it sets today, 10 years later with nothing new going on.  Coincidentally, it is my belief that everyone on this list is over the age of forty, but I could be wrong.  Would there be any interest in this group in merging the fortyplus.org domain name with our efforts?  My long range plan was to try to turn it into a job/contract board for people over 40 (when I can find the time), but you know how that goes.  This is not exactly collaboration either, but would certainly be less involved than setting up a conference, or are conferences that easy to get going (my instincts say they are lot’s of work)?
 
Actually it seems to me to make more sense to include a job/contract board in Collaboration Alley, than to make collaboration an active addon to http://www.fortyplus.org.
 
Thoughts?
 
Warren Vail
Vail Systems Technology


 
 

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Wjhonson

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Feb 9, 2011, 7:14:02 PM2/9/11
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About the topic of collaboration in person or through the web.

Since we are discussing creating a website which allows and is primarily focused on collaboration through the web, it seems most sensible to build it based on ourselves actually using it to bootstrap itself.  That would be one way to test it functionally and build what is needed and ignore what is not.

Since I live in Santa Cruz, its not likely at this early stage that I would be meeting in person (it's a 90 mile drive each way).  Perhaps once things are steaming along a bit more.



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