I WAS IN SCHOOL TODAY AND WE WERE HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SHIA AZAN AND SUNNI AZAN. ONE OF MY SUNNI FRIENDS TOLD ME THAT IN THE SHIA AZAN HOW CAN YOU HAVE "ASHUTHU UN ALI UN WILI ULYAH" WHEN Allah HIMSELF SAID THAT YOU CANT CHANGE THE VERSUSE'S....THAN WHO CHANGED IT ;) ;) AND ALI WASNT BORN WHEN THE AZAN WAS GIVIN TO PROPHET MUHAMMAD pbuh SO HOW CAN WE HAVE THAT EXTRA PART IN OUR AZAN?...CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY WE ADDED THAT VERSE OR WAS IT ALREADY THERE ?? ;)
Bro ! I cant say much about Ali an Wali Ulah is shia Azan... may be some other learned shia brother/sister can explain it well... but can comment with confidence that even sunnis have innovations in Azan too.. The say Asslat o kharum minan noam in the Fajr Azan ... The prophet (pbuh) did not do so.. They have ommited Haya Ala khairil Amal from Azan where as during the days of prophet (pbuh) it was quite valid...And both of these innovations were introduced by their beloved Umar. Do they explanation for this ??
As to for when it started, it was added because of all the atrocities towards the shia. Where it was not allowed to speak the name of Imam Ali (as) and the Imam (as) was cursed in every khutbah and it was broadcasted to the entire masses, so we added this part. It is not obligatory to recite this in the prayer call, it is just to show our identity. That, YES!, we are the lovers of the Ahlul-Bait (as)! Yes! We love and revere and accept the Imamat of Imam Ali (as).
so the shias changed it and the sunnis changed it....doenst that go against everything Allah has teached us.....Allah said that if we change it than we will have a seat in hell....and i dont want that :cry: .....so the shias and sunnis changed it....thats weird ;)
NOTE: ADHAN IS NOT VERSES, ITS SIMPLY A CALL TO PRAYERS. It simply reminds us (when we r busy with our daily life) tht its time for salah n therefore we shud go pray n not miss the awwal wakt (peak time) of salah.
All haters of ahlulbayt shud realise.. watever they do, wherever they go.. atleast once in a life time, they will come n do tawaaf of the birth place of imam Ali (as) which leads to their successfull atitude.. my my, we all muslims are like obliged to love ahlulbayt soo much.. (even though some pretend to hate them :D
The history goes.. After Imam Ali (as) was born, prophet came into the ka'aba and took ali on his arms, n thts when Ali opened his eyes.. Prophet Said azan on ali's right ear n iqamah on his left.. thereafter he kissed alis tongue, by which all of the prophets attitude was transfered into Ali ... :D
As far as I know, 'ash hadu anna aliyun waiyullah' is considered preferable to say in the adhan according to the shia, but it isn't compulsory. Also, 'haya ala khairal amel' was ommited out of the adhan by the sunnis. When doing the adhan among a shia and sunni prayer gathering, it's probably best to say the following adhan, as it is considered universal:
All haters of ahlulbayt shud realise.. watever they do, wherever they go.. atleast once in a life time, they will come n do tawaaf of the birth place of imam Ali (as) which leads to their successfull atitude.. my my, we all muslims are like obliged to love ahlulbayt soo much.. (even though some pretend to hate them
The Commander of the Believers, Imam Ali ibn ABb Talib, peace be on him, was one of those servants of Allah (swt) whom He chose and honoured by giving them the responsibilities of the Message after His Prophet (saw). These servants are the trustees of the Prophet (saw), since each prophet has a trustee, and Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib, peace be on him, is the trustee of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
We favour him above all the Companions of the Prophet (saw) because Allah (swt) and His Messenger (saw) favoured him, and we have many proofs of that, some of them are deduced through logical reasoning, others are found in the holy Qur'an and Sunnah, and these proofs cannot be suspect, because they have been scrutinized, and proven right, by our own learned people (who wrote many books about the subject) and those of the Sunni Madhahibs.
The Umayyad regime worked very hard to cover this truth and fought Imam of the Guidance, Ali and his sons, peace be on them, whom they killed. They even ordered people, sometimes by force, to curse him, so his followers - may Allah bless them - all started to testify for him as being the friend of Allah (swt). No Muslim would curse the friend of Allah (swt) in defiance of the oppressive authorities, so that the glory was to Allah (swt), and to His Messenger (saw) and to all the believers. It also became an historical land mark across the generations so that they know the just cause of Ali, peace be on him, and the wrong doing of his enemies. Thus, our learned people continued to testify that Ali, peace be on him, is the friend of Allah (swt) in their calls to prayer, as something which is commendable. There are many commendable things in the religious rites as well as in ordinary mundane dealings, and the Muslim will be rewarded for doing them, but not punished for leaving them aside.
But one thing I disagree with is removing the name of Imam Ali (as) from the Adhan because it's a Shia/Sunni gathering. too often have I been to, or heard of, mixed gatherings where we removed the name of our Mawla just to please the Sunnis. In fact, those members who are from Toronto and attend the Jaffari Islamic Centre will tell you that when the centre first opened, we didn't take the name of Imam Ali (as) in our Adhan, just to make things 'easier'
As far as I know the "Aliyin wa liyullah" part was added by Bilal (ra) at the event of ghadir. After Imam Ali (as) was named wali over the believers he (hazrat Bilal) asked the Prophet of Islam if he could ad Aliyun waliyullah to the adhan and the Prophet pbuh (and his holy progeny) permitted it. and so it was. afterwards when abu bakir came into power hazrat Bilal left Medina and lived else where never to return :cry:
Wrong. You cannot simply apply blanket logic to whatever you please. The obligatory prayers are *required* to be in Arabic, whereas other prayers are not required to be in Arabic. Do you not understand the concept of "lost in translation"? Your obligatory prayer is literally lost in translation if you attempt to read it in english.
the Prophet of Allah encountered different peoples in his time, do you think the "language barrier" never came up? If you read hadith, you will see that he hes declared what types of prayers can (and cannot be) in the native language. You can't simply "reason" it out without all the facts.
Brother Rahat is correct. While we should know the meanings of the prayers in our original tongue, the obligatory prayers must be in Arabic. The liturgical and mystical power of the Quran exists only in Arabic, while the meaning should be known and translated into every language. Just like the Torah must be in Hebrew.
Catholism moved away from its liturgical language after the second Vatican Council and affectively dilluted the tradition for the sake of making it more "accessible". This accessibility seeks to placate the masses while popularizing and vulgarizing the essential and literal message(s). A religion ceases to be a religion without its original rites and rituals. -That is a way of connecting to God. In Islam, God revealed himself in Arabic.
If people can't learn the seven Arabic verses that make up the Fatihah and three or four more that make up another verse then maybe Islam is not the right religion for them. Islam is a religion of knowledge and learning (Provided someone is mentally capable of learning and memorizing).
As far as names are concerned, many of the prophets in the Quran were most likely called by their Hebrew names and not the Arabic versions that we have in the Quran (23 of the 25). People should go by whatever name they were given by their parents provided it is not something like Abd al-Shams which means servant of the Sun (a pre-Islamic name of many Arabs). Some Muslim reverts take on Arabic names because of Western cultural poverty and the pride we have for Islam, but this is not a requirement.
Lets not discuss about sunnis or shias or any other sect. Can anyone tell me, when Allah said in Quran, that "Oh you who believe, do not create differences among yourself, do not take any other creed or cast among yourself." Do not divide yourself in firqa, then why muslims have divided themselves in firqa?
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