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Wed, April 20 at 5pm CET: Discussion of Chapter 6 & 7 of "The Evolutionary Dynamics of Discursive Knowledge" (Loet's Leydesdorff's book)

Jaimi Hendrix <jaimi....@gmail.com>: Apr 17 09:02PM -0400 Dear colleagues:     This is a reminder that, this Wednesday, April 20 at 5pm CET, we meet again via ZOOM to discuss the 6th & 7th chapter of Loet Leydesdorff's book. (Scroll down to see the original invitation):   -   Chapter 6 - Regions, Innovations & the North-South Divide in Italy <https://rd.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-59951-5.pdf>. -   Chapter 7 - *The Measurement of Synergy <https://rd.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-3-030-59951-5.pdf>.*     1. There will be three commentaries, each one 15-minute each, by:   - Helen Lawton Smith <https://www.bbk.ac.uk/our-staff/profile/8007764/helen-lawton-smith> (Innovation Studies, Birkbeck, London Univ., UK). - Jerome Warren <https://genosem.uni-koeln.de/de/team/doktorandinnen/jerome-warren-ma> (Economics & Social Sciences, Univ. of Cologne, Germany) - Richard Klavans <https://www.scitech-strategies.com/our-team> (SciTech Strategies, Berwyn, PA, USA)     2. ZOOM link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9116543210?pwd=RkJWR0JtaDRVYTRNZE5yUVAxbVQ2Zz09 <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9116543210?pwd=RkJWR0JtaDRVYTRNZE5yUVAxbVQ2Zz09>     3. The ZOOM room will open at 4:45pm CET.     4. Each commentator is given 15 minutes to present, followed by 5 minutes to address clarification questions. The remaining time will be used for interactive discussion.     5. The settings of the COGITATA googlegroup are such that anyone can access the email discussion. However, to join the discussion, one must first join the Googlegroup at https://groups.google.com/g/cogitata?hl=en.     Let me know if you have any questions or comments.       My very best,   Jaimi Hendrickx   1-607-624-9876   Ithaca, NY 14850 USA --   --   Dear colleagues,   You are cordially invited to join the slow-read/discussion of The Evolutionary Dynamics of Discursive Knowledge, the latest book by Loet Leydesdorff <https://www.leydesdorff.net/>. The book is freely available (Open Access) <https://rd.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5>. It provides an introduction to the connections between systems theory, evolutionary theory, sociology, STS, communication theory, and cybernetics and its objective is to facilitate interdisciplinary exchange. We will read and discuss about one chapter each month. Scroll down for the schedule.   The book discussion will take place via ZOOM on the third Wednesday of every month at 5pm CET (4pm BST, 11am EST, 8am PST(**)). Each ZOOM meeting, three scholars will give a brief commentary on the chapter scheduled for that day, followed by an interactive discussion. The ZOOM room link is the following: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9116543210?pwd=RkJWR0JtaDRVYTRNZE5yUVAxbVQ2Zz09   If you would like to act as a commentator for any of the chapters (max 15 minutes, max 7 PPT slides <https://www.clubofremy.org/#rule>), please get in touch with one of the event organizers (johns...@gmail.com or jaimi....@gmail.com) to finalize the details. Commentaries in the form of a video presentation (maximum 20 minutes) are welcomed, especially from those who cannot join the ZOOM meetings due to international time zone differences.   Past ZOOM meetings:   Wednesday, December 15, 2021 - Chapter 1 - Knowledge-based Innovation and Social Coordination <https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5> <pdf>   -   “Evolution—Dynamics—Discourse—Knowledge,” <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCjX4LoixDs> <youtube> by Mark W. Johnson <http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com/> (Cybernetics, Univ. of Liverpool, UK). -   “Intellectual and social contexts: an intervention, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_ZRDq6q8FM>“ <youtube> by Andrea Scharnhorst <https://pure.knaw.nl/portal/en/persons/andrea-scharnhorst> (DANS, Royal Academy, NL). -   “The priority of Husserl’s cogitata, <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mufEX0acMx0>“ <youtube> by Eva Buchinger <https://www.ait.ac.at/ueber-das-ait/researcher-profiles?tx_aitprofile_pi1%5Bname%5D=Buchinger%20Eva&cHash=bff83e21c759d33f96c7721ffdaa2dd9> (Austrian Institute of Technology, Austria) -   Discussion <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyosEQVills><youtube>; transcript <https://www.leydesdorff.net/cogitata/chapter1.htm> <html>; transcript <https://www.leydesdorff.net/cogitata/chapter1.pdf> <pdf>     Wednesday, January, 19 2022 - Discussion of Chapter 2 - <https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5>The Communication Turn in Philosophy of Science <https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5_2> <pdf>; and   Chapter 3 - Scientific Communication and Codification <https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5_3> <pdf>   -   “Rational Expectations versus Beliefs” <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHmvNyYHd84> <youtube> by <http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com/> Marco Schirone <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marco-Schirone-2> (Univ. of Borås, Chalmers Univ,. Sweden). Slides <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bop1j8KrSK-a1wlXyf12YRmn38gKEpep/view> <pdf> -   “Chapters 2 and 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6-vmiOSkKE>” <youtube> by <https://pure.knaw.nl/portal/en/persons/andrea-scharnhorst>Edmundo Balsemão <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Edmundo-Pires> (Philosophy, Univ. de Coimbra, Portugal). Slides <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oCyjUhgpZgsVf1HLnsDpB2_zfZUH05ZO/view> <pdf> -   “From the Perspective of Quantitative Science Studies” <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctu-jxGaVrw> <youtube> by <https://www.ait.ac.at/ueber-das-ait/researcher-profiles?tx_aitprofile_pi1%5Bname%5D=Buchinger%20Eva&cHash=bff83e21c759d33f96c7721ffdaa2dd9>Stasa Milojevic <https://luddy.indiana.edu/contact/profile/?Stasa_Milojevic> (Cognitive Science, Indiana University, Bloomington, USA). -   Discussion <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoR2sBbsrpI> <youtube>; transcript <https://www.leydesdorff.net/cogitata/chapter2_3.htm> <html>; transcript <https://www.leydesdorff.net/cogitata/chapter2_3.pdf> <pdf>     *Wednesday, Feb 16, 2022 <https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9116543210?pwd=RkJWR0JtaDRVYTRNZE5yUVAxbVQ2Zz09>* -- Discussion of Chapter 4 - <https://link.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5>Towards a Calculus of Redundancy <https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5_2>   - Comments <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MsgQJ2vNwA>by *Inga Ivanova <https://hse-ru.academia.edu/IngaIvanova>* (HSE Univ., Moscow, Russia). - Comments <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlCszsvRxYM> by *Larry Richards* <https://campuslibraryiue.academia.edu/LarryRichards> (Mgmt. & Engineering, Indiana Univ. East, USA). - Comments <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBk9xoJtog> by *Diana Lucio* <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Diana-Lucio-Arias> (Pontifical Xavierian Univ., Columbia). - Group discussion <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK0vL_G5rLY> - <transcript> <https://www.leydesdorff.net/cogitata/chapter4.htm>   Wednesday, March 16, 2022 – Chapter 5 - Evolutionary & Institutional Triple Helix Models. Comments by:   -   Lucio Biggiero <https://www.luciobiggiero.com/> (Org. Science; Univ. of L'Aquila, Italia) -   Yuzhuo Cai <https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Yuzhuo-Cai> (Mgmt & Business, Tampere Univ., Finland) -   Klaus Krippendorff (Annenberg School of Communications, University of Pennsylvania, USA)     Remaining ZOOM meetings: (Go to https://groups.google.com/g/cogitata?hl=en for the latest updates)   Wednesday, April 20, 2022 - Chapter 6 Regions, Innovations & the North-South Divide in Italy; and Chapter 7 - The Measurement of Synergy. Comments by :   - Helen Lawton Smith <https://www.bbk.ac.uk/our-staff/profile/8007764/helen-lawton-smith> (Innovation Studies, Birkbeck, London Univ., UK) - Jerome Warren <https://genosem.uni-koeln.de/de/team/doktorandinnen/jerome-warren-ma> (Economics & Social Sciences, Univ. of Cologne, Germany) - Richard Klavans <https://www.scitech-strategies.com/our-team> (SciTech Strategies, Berwyn, PA, USA)     Wednesday, May 18, 2022 – Chapter 8 - Anticipation and the Dynamics of Expectations. Comments by :   - Luciano Gallon <https://www.linkedin.com/in/lucianogallon/> (Univ. Pontificia Bolivariana, Columbia) - Andrea Pitasi <http://andrea...@unich.it/> (Università degli Studi "G. d'Annunzio", Chieti, Italt)     Wednesday, June 15, 2022 – Chapter 9 - Subdynamics in Knowledge-based Systems. Comments by:   -   Igone Porto Gomez <https://scholar.google.es/citations?hl=es&user=Xa8IHIcAAAAJ&sortby=pubdate&view_op=list_works&gmla=AJsN-F7z6N4QLlIiikQN8mN4uyeWVrPTid230OS6xnskOvQlJitTaFBTNEO0yRbURZIvAlRZEqU8u-9YbTGLm5uw24noTgG6QQoXjhyZsjVyB0FjWhvQDzo> (Engineering & Organization, Univ. de Deusto, Spain) -   Caroline Wagner <https://glenn.osu.edu/caroline-s-wagner> (Public Affairs, Ohio State Univ., USA)     Wednesday, July 20, 2022 – Chapter 10 - Cultural and Biological Evolution. Comments by:   -   Christiane Gebhardt <https://ch.linkedin.com/in/dr-christiane-gebhardt-74939779> (Drees & Sommer, Zurich, Switzerland) -   Gerard de Zeeuw <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerard_de_Zeeuw> (Mathematics, Univ. of Amsterdam, Netherlands)   Wednesday, August 17, 2022 – Chapter 11 - Summary and Conclusions. Comments by:   -   Jerome Warren <https://genosem.uni-koeln.de/de/team/doktorandinnen/jerome-warren-ma> (Economics & Social Sciences, Univ. of Cologne, Germany)     Reviews of the book:   - Schirone, Mark. (2021). Review of: Leydesdorff, Loet. The evolutionary dynamics of discursive knowledge. Communication-theoretical perspectives on an empirical philosophy of science. Cham: Springer Nature, 2021. Information Research, Vol 26 No 3, Review no. R725 [Retrieved from http://www.informationr.net/ir/reviews/revs725.html]   - Mark Johnson’s review "Leydesdorff’s Compass: A Review of “The Evolutionary Dynamics of Discursive Knowledge,” will be published in the November/December issue 2021 of Cybernetics and Human Knowing <http://chkjournal.com/>.   - Inga Ivanova (2021), New Frontiers in the Theory of Meaning in Inter-Human Communications <https://doi.org/10.1016/j.techfore.2021.120672>, Technological Forecasting & Social Change, 167(2) 120672   Additional details:   - An open-access copy of the book is available at https://rd.springer.com/book/10.1007/978-3-030-59951-5.   - Email discussions will be archived here at https://groups.google.com/g/cogitata?hl=en. Everyone is welcome to join the Google group.   - RSVP to jaimi....@gmail.com. RSVP is not necessary, but preferred.   - This event series is hosted by Club of Remy - Speed Dating of Ideas, a loosely affiliated group of cyberneticians. For more details on the Club of Remy, check out its web site, www.clubofremy.org, or its YouTube channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJumBT3J15xhAoNs9CnrSVg/about   - Each ZOOM session will be recorded and posted in the Club of Remy YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJumBT3J15xhAoNs9CnrSVg/videos   - For further information about this event series, contact Mark Johnson (Cybernetics, Univ. of Liverpool <http://dailyimprovisation.blogspot.com/>) at johns...@gmail.com or Margaretha "Jaimi" Hendrickx at jaimi....@gmail.com.   (**) Changes in schedule due to Daylight Saving Time (DST) changes:   Please, synchronize with 5pm Paris/Amsterdam/Berlin/Maribor/Ljubljana time.   Note that in March 2022, the USA moves its clocks 1 hour forward two weeks before the EU countries move their clocks forward. Consequently, in March 2022, the ZOOM meeting will start 1 hour later for those residing in the United States at that time:   - Dec 2021 - Feb 2022: 5pm CET (4pm GMT, 11am EST, 8am PST <https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/>)   - Mar 2022: 5pm CET (4pm GMT, 12pm EDT, 9am PDT <https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/>)   - Apr - Aug 2022: 5 pm CEST (4pm BST, 11am EDT, 8am PDT <https://www.timeanddate.com/time/map/>)   To find out when DST changes go into effect for your country, visit https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html.

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[Jerome Warren]

Dear Jerry and Co.,

I agree, it was a fascinating discussion. Just some reflections on my part: I think what is interesting about the TH approach is its injection of the relational view into the foreground. The fact that different logics (each with different goal functions and means of arriving at those goals: whether optimization [maximization under constraint], redistribution [reallocation of resources according to some rule], reciprocity [e.g., Kant's categorical imperative], randomization, etc.) can simultaneously operate on each other, on the agents and institutions employing them, and on the world, adds something new to both the notion of evolution and the notion of social behavior than a purely static or mechanismic understanding, with its reductionist perspective.

My main draw from reading Chapter 6 and comparing its conclusions with my own research was that the recognition of the above is significant. With regards to innovation policy, this means incorporating the historical development of both the goals of innovation policy (is it GDP growth, mitigating of climate catastrophe, reducing inequality, etc.?), what Loet refers to as a regime, as well as the context in which it occurs (this also includes the historical development of political and geographic boundaries).

Within that framework, I think the powerful message of the TH framework is the ability to marshal such knowledge for the purposes of crafting intelligent, mission-oriented policy. Where this links up to my own research is in my attempt to foreground cooperation as a necessary condition for economic behavior and for economic development. As Klaus empahsized yesterday, communication is important, not merely as an artifact, but as a motor of change. Engendering new values (including those of "emulation" that Veblen spends so much time on) can motivate the shift to new macrocultures that are, in turn, able to reorient entire systems, like society, on a new footing. And, in accordance with Loet's framework, I think this process works best when one iteratively shifts back and forth from the evolutionary logics that operate on historical events and actors and the tendency of those events to incur again on the logics. Here, the place for notions like ascendancy. Just as governments were essential in creating the conditions for the rise of the present industrial system based on wage labor by lending such relations legitimacy via the legal and jurisprudential logic, via regulations and via building infrastructure like roads, bridges and canals, such institutions can facilitate a shift towards a qualitative shift towards more explicit cooperation in industry and knowledge production. Such a shift may ultimately work to de-emphasize the operation of other logics, e.g., the profit-miximizing logic may become less of a constraint as we enter a post-scarcity economy (it is already less relevant in the information and knowledge economy, which, as we all know, relies largely on volunteer labor within the FOSS community).

To what extent information theory is necessary or useful for such an analysis: the point, I think, relates to uniqueness: information theory, as I understand it, tries to break data down to their most elementary units. As I think one can never reduce human agents in their complexity and indeterminacy to "bits", one can only capture regularly occurring interactions in this way. I think, for instance, a theory of money based on information theory might be a useful endeavor. Loet mentions the application of his approach to money at one point in the book (money as "medium"). Its use in reducing linguistic acts to data seems to me limited, as these are often times irreducible. This might get to what Jerry was getting at with his "semiosis" reference..

Not sure if this adds anything...

Jerome