Re: “The Two Popes” Gives Way to Pope vs. Pope on the Issue of Celibacy in the Priesthood

[James Kelly]

Kevin -  How the - excuse the term - hell could the pope ordain married men without also ordaining women? I don't know but in the meantime I'll keep praying for and with Pope Francis whom (while I don't think Popes should be canonized) I consider my favorite living saint.  Non-theologically yours, jim

On Fri, Feb 19, 2021 at 8:54 AM kevin dineen <mick...@gmail.com> wrote:

“The Two Popes” Gives Way to Pope vs. Pope on the Issue of Celibacy in the Priesthood
“The Two Popes” Gives Way to Pope vs. Pope on the Issue of Celibacy in the Priesthood


https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-two-popes-gives-way-to-pope-vs-pope-on-the-issue-of-celibacy-in-the-priesthood.  FYI

[Jack Hogan]

I read the New Yorker article, but now I’m confused.

The Catholic Church allows Eastern rite married priests to remain married and be priests in the Roman rite, if they join the Roman Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church allows married Anglican priests to remain married and be priests in the Roman rite, if they join the Roman Catholic Church.

There are a lot of married Catholic priests right now.

Jack

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[bill kreutz]

Hello, Jack and All – Peace!

A short (?) Note about married Catholic priests

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In the USA there is a special program for former ministers example Presbyterian or Anglican and perhaps others, that they go to a specialized training of I do not know how many years and then may be ordained to priesthood in the Church.

My sister, a Trinitarian non- (MS BT) was teaching in a parish school in Mobile Alabama. They were waiting for their new pastor. He came with a wife and children and a dog! He was a former Presbyterian minister. The parish Received him warmly and were most happy with his assignment to their parish.

I do not know how many cases there are like this – but what a wonderful thing for those who would like to consider ministering the Word and our Holy Sacraments.

I look forward to the day of married parish priests as the more regular thing and, also, for the day of women priests and women deacons. No complaints about the past – just great hopes and optimism for the future.

Regards to All – Bill K

Wiliam H. Kreutz, SJ

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[Gerry Drummond]

Hey brothers,

Bill seems to know more about the US church than we do. How did Presbyterians get into the married Catholic clergy mix?

Meantime, I'm ready to boycott the US bishops for not insisting that our weekly parish bulletins and pulpits confirm that Joe Biden is the legitimate winner over Trump and why and how . . . And why supporting Trump's lie that he won is wrong and only sets us up for more violence . . .

Gerry

Gerry Drummond

PS Bonus: Luke's three boys today in Bridgewater. First time all had perfect smiles . . . 

Last week's photo, the three were looking out window at 5-7 deer in their snow-filled back yard . . .

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[Jim Doran]

Brothers, 

I am addressing the idea of ordaining women as priests. I am impressed by some thoughts expressed by Freud, Jung and others. At times, I have read views of their that suggest that our 'instincts' are conservative. 

In that light, I would like to suggest that a Latin American Pope might be mindful of the predominance of women in Latin American church congregations. I have known some women, my mother among them, who had no interest in listening to another woman. 

I have also seen this sentiment expressed in this vignette: "

'Mother: Did you tell God you were sorry for pulling your sisters hair when you said your bedtime prayers? 

Son:  No. But I told Mrs. God and it's probably all over heaven by now'.

Now any of you who know me know that I will argue anything. I am very aware that in the psyche, opposites are equivalent. Often the stronger a trait is, the more prominent it opposite may be. I'm like that. I'm made up of two extremes, no middle. 

So I'm not viewing this question and related questions as matters of church discipline but as surface appearances of the human psyche moving through time. And I'm not so sure where the equilibrium lies. Social arrangements that are worked out consciously can contort our instincts, our unconscious. Perhaps we were seeing some reflection of this in the Jan 6 savage eruption. Some degree of 'castration anxiety', say?  Some attack on some of the most phallic of weapons? 

As I say, I don't know. But I would submit that our considerations probably should, in their rationality, allow a bit more space to the rational. 

After all, as we learned from Pentheus, the savagery of the 'unconscious' is not a one-way street.. 

Regards, 

Jim 

I deliberately took out 'codys' as an address, hoping to address it mostly to those who have already written.

j 

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[Smith, Brian]

Fratres,

Here is a piece I published today in "EarthBeat," a newsletter on the environment  of the National Catholic Reporter.

Brian Smith

STA '58

"Can Faith Leaders Shift Public Opinion Toward Climate Action?" EarthBeat, (National Catholic Reporter), April 26, 2021.

 

https://www.ncronline.org/news/earthbeat/can-faith-leaders-shift-public-opinion-toward-climate-action

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[Gerry Drummond]

Brian, 

Good job. Current and researched. Common sense. Disappointing that the US CCB does not connect with its people and our basic needs and concerns.

No

 Clueless and cowardly and arrogant is being too kind to those who claim to possess the perfection of the priesthood and refuse to dialog directly with us.

Gerry


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[Smith, Brian]

Thanks, Gerry.

I agree that so many of the Catholci clergy and bishops are not addressing the basic needs and the concerns of hte laity.

In the end, we all will be dead from environmental pollution. Should that not be the "pre-eminent" life issue of our time?

Brian

[Frank Bolton]

You might find this article (link below) from the current issue of the NCR an interesting take. A enlightened bishop to keep your eye on is John Stowe in Lexington KY. I wrote him early last November to thank him for speaking out about Donald Trump and to my great surprise, received a hand-written note back from him. I filed it in some now-forgotten place from which it will bubble up in the future but his last sentence was that the US bishops need to do a much better job educating their flocks.

Predicting how US bishops' conference will treat Biden, based on their criticism of Obama and Trump | National Catholic Reporter (ncronline.org)

Frank Bolton

Bellarmine '61

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