Suggestion

[samir kumar mishra]

Hi Flavio--->>

Hey mate, I would request you not to go forward with any kind of complaints or make any similar issue. CFF is just meant to involve students in live, real world, open source projects.

As all suggest you, go forward with your project if you understand that it has something new to give to this world.

As far as my knowledge goes, all my friends like Ashwin, Angad etc and those who have participated in CFF and me too have contributed to Sun Technologies directly or indirectly through their projects. You can google their names and the contribution appears on the first result page itself. But a search in your name results in weird and unhealthy discussions only.

People at Sun you have decided to complain about are some of the most responsible and helpful persons I have ever worked with during my tenure at Sun. Tirthankar is a responsible engineer for putback of so many bug fixes. And Amit is also my friend, you can find a lot of his articles published in widely popular magazines like Linux For U.

Be confident in yourself and prove that your project is worth the claim you make. Otherwise, a mere certificate of participation is of no value.

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Regards,
Samir
http://samiruce273.blogspot.com
http://samirkumarmishra.blogspot.com

[Flavio Pinto Monteiro]

Thanks mate, it's a nice point you got.

Allow me to add a few more on it as I know that professionalism and friendship are two different things as depending on your career path you might work several times with people you don't know - the point is not about who they are, I think it's about how competent they can be independently of who they are or where they come from.

I am a student on this competition, I participated and I ask for a participation certificate as many of my mates have got it.

According not to who I am but yes to what I have done here I should get a participation certificate as many of my mates have got it.

INCOMPETENCE my friends I think it can be identified in such kind of things specially when responsible instructors misinform/inform each competitor according to who they are or maybe to how each one can oil each instructor.

Most important but not last, I've been contributing to software innovation as just for an example my team and I have decided to acquire a domain (i9acao.org) and a private IP address where we have been running several tests since from databases till web application programming interfaces to bring up something new. Some months ago while I was already on this competition we launched a test website on that domain and soon we'll be back online and I'm mailing specifically you Samir to see my contributions as well. We are actually working on mobile applications as we aim to empower the use of 3G applications in my country as well. We have more people using mobiles phones than PCs in Southern Africa as well.

And plus, that website some months ago, it was on the first result page as soon as we were done with the Google indexation process. I believe it will be back to the first result page as soon as we publish it again.

Regards.

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Flavio Pinto Monteiro

[Ainuddin Faaeq]

Man you make me feel like burning my certificate.  If you have all that bull$h!t you said, Why are you making such a big issue out of a participation certificate???  If someone asks me in an interview about what i did, i will show him my real wold achievement not a piece of paper with which one can wipe ones a$$! Grow up my friend certificates doesn't take you anywhere, like everyone said prove yourself with your actual participation and achievement. And about the "oil" thing that you said, there is corruption in India and no one says otherwise, but I am NOT an Indian, I dont know anyone in Sun, and honestly most Indian guys dont like the way I am (bcz of the cultural differences), but still then I got the certificate. I really want to know if its just this certificate or something else is bothering you?? P.s. sorry everybody about the language, but this guy just dont quit....  Regards, ______________________________________________________________ Ainuddin 3rd Year, Bachelor of Computer Applications Acharya College - Bangalore University Bangalore, Karnataka, India 00919986255245 --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Flavio Pinto Monteiro <flaviopint...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Avinash Gautam]

Where is the problem ?

 

Give him the certificate and this discussion is over. Please don't target each other individually. Everyone has potential. If this person wants to embark his participation through a certificate, can't some provisions be done to get him his certificate.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Ainuddin Faaeq <ainudd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Man you make me feel like burning my certificate.

If you have all that bull$h!t you said, Why are you making such a big issue out of a participation certificate???

If someone asks me in an interview about what i did, i will show him my real wold achievemee nt not a piece of paper with which one can wipe ones a$$!

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Regards

Er. Avinash Gautam

http://www.linkedin.com/in/avinashgautam

[Neha Kapoor]

@Flavio
You kept saying misinformation but dont u think its u who dint understand what they actually meant. During the contest even we had a few doubts and when we mailed Thirthankar Sir we were also asked to mail it to the mailing list and we did the same thing (mailed to codefor...@sun.com) and we were answered right away and all our doubts got clarified. I just mentioned all this to make u understand that the fault lies with u and not with Thirthankar sir or any body. You are already working on so many projects and i think you should concentrate on ur work rather than making a fuss for nothing. Please stop blaming others and analize ur faults. As far as ur certificate is concerned it was already mentioned that the evaluators hold the right to disqualify any project without informing u. Now y all this fuss. When u dint have any prob with that rule u r not supposed to behave this way. Please think and act. And understand that there are other important things than just arguing for nothing. And let me tell u one more thing, the so called 'oil' that u were talking about, none of the participants here did anything to please anybody. We just did wt we should do. Work on the project. And we were awarded according to our work. My friend didnt u hear anybody saying "actions speak louder than words". Ur work done will justify all ur efforts. No employer depends on a certificate to judge ones talent. Please act in a more matured manner.

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Regards
Neha

[Aritra]

Well said Neha!

[Flavio Pinto Monteiro]

Hi mate, you're right and that's it, several times you are ignored and misunderstood in India just because of the cultural differences. I won't call it anything else than ignorance as for those who don't know we have a huge society of Indians living, working and educating their kids in Mozambique for decades and the number keeps on growing.

The certificate is a big issue for me as it marks a step on my career and I will need it in a near future as I also plan to be employed.

And regarding all I ACQUIRED it was with lots of sacrifice (nights out of sleep), you should not worry about me quitting or not, please worry about what you've been doing to contribute to the open source wave as you can always use wordpress or blogspot and start some blogging.

Neha, I loved your comments but you are siding too much with the instructors, they have never paid equal attention to my work and the result is that I was left out of the certificates distribution process, I was never informed about any other mail list nor about any rule to disqualify people - I followed all the rules as you may see on the timestamps of my documents & files and my repository.

If I have the guts to do the CFF and plus other projects, it's maybe because I work harder so it's not what qualifies me or not for a certificate on the CFF - my contribution to CFF is there and it was there always on time.

Regards.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Ainuddin Faaeq <ainudd...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Flavio Pinto Monteiro

[vivek agarwal]

Well...I never took part in code for freedom......but I had subscribed to the group...Well this is for neha...I dont know why you are being so dumb...This guy Flavio...he had put in lots of hardwork..and if he demands a certificate just to reassure that Sun Microsystems does recognizes his hard work, I dont think he is asking for anything inappropriate. Well you guys who are advising him to just concentrate on projects and dont ask for certificates.......please..may be youll are very great and dont do anything for recognition....but yea....I accept ...I do things so that everyone recognizes me..and if I put in hard work and I dont get a word of appreciation and a certification in this case...I will be mad at all who are responsible....Whats the use of doing something for Mr X when Mr X thinks afterwards that it was no use!!!

As far as I remember, that guy wrote that he wasnt given proper response...So i guess he has every right to tell against Trithankar Sir or for that cause anyone else involved. And to be very frank....if Trithankar Sir is soooo much caring, why is he  not replying here when the matter is going on for so many days....he used to reply on group every single day when the competition was going on....what after that???....I think many had compained for certificates before also..........

Okk....no personal grudge!...but may be you guys have got certis and Flavio hasnt.......So Sun should at least send him an online certi or some recognition.....I repeat..may be some people dont give certi a good importance....but some people do....when I have done something....I must be able to prove that I did it for Code for freedom and not for no reason!!!!........Please be practical people!!!!!!!

Tk Care,

Vivek

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From: Neha Kapoor <nikk...@gmail.com>
To: codefor...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 9:37:10 AM
Subject: Re: Suggestion

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[Nischal Rao]

@flavio....

Do you remember the time during the project proposal submission? Unless i am very much mistaken, you are the same person who had submitted incorrect entries in the "faculty reference" field. Sun had all the right to reject your proposal straight away because you had given incorrect information. But it was Tirthankar Sir who gave you a second chance. If you call this as "ignoring you", then may be you should look up the meaning of "ignoring" in the dictionary.

regards,
Nischal E Rao

[Flavio Pinto Monteiro]

I am happy to know that my mates are contributing on my case. VIVEK has got a point too and I would appreciate if others see it on the positive way I do as well - the glass should be always half-full and you should not be jealous or just not believe in what others have done with their extra time. That's why I'll have to send on this group as well the results of my work soon in terms of a link :)

Let us be practical as when I get my certificate I'll be fully satisfied and I'll remember CFF as a good thing.

Nischal, regarding your point I'll remind you that my complaint is about the certificates distribution process and not the projects submission process. THINGS ARE VERY CLEAR HERE.

I've been replying to all the emails here as I believe in sympathy along with professionalism (and not in friendship along with professionalism).

The case is now of concern of my Embassy and they already started the talks with Sun as they mailed me today (there is a SUN office in New Delhi as well). They know I wouldn't complaint if I had not put average hard work and time... Visit all CFF projects on java.net including mine and give me an explanation for me not getting a participation certificate after almost an year while many others which their projects are hosted in java.net (and I can see them) got their certificates already.

And plus Nischal, thanks for the tip as I have found few more threads which prove the ignoring part I suffered from my instructors specially when I was asking about the certificates, something you have also done when asking to change your name from Nischal Rao to appear as Nischal E Rao on your certificate. Would you like if they ignored you?

What else can I say, thanks for your attention all but there is nothing good you can do if you keep throwing stones.

I had to make my voice louder and now they can't ignore it nor mis perception WILL BE ENTERTAINED HERE, as Thirtankar Sir, a responsible instructor used to reply to my threads. WHAT COULD I DO? I waited, I followed the rules and then when it came to the certificates distribution process I was just left out with another information less reply of one sentence. That's why I say, maybe I don't know how to oil an Indian instructor to give me average treatment.

I've learned that your competence and your performance depends directly on the competence of your instructors so I decided to complaint.

Regards.
Have a nice week ahead and thanks to all my dears in this competition :)

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Flavio Pinto Monteiro

[Balachandran Sivakumar]

Hi,

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Flavio Pinto
Monteiro<flaviopint...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> sentence. That's why I say, maybe I don't know how to oil an Indian
> instructor to give me average treatment.
>

Please don't make such unwarranted comments here. The
sentence as such and the way the word "Indian" is used in that really
really bad and demeaning. In my view, no student/learner can throw
such words at an instructor.

I am not a participant of the CFF contest, but I just wish to
tell you that a certificate is of no use anywhere. The project URL and
these mailing list discussions are the things that are valuable.

A contest with software freedom in mind, is much different from other
software contests. The contribution that you make is the appreciation
that you get. It is out and open for anyone to see/use. Someone else
using your code with/without your knowledge would be the greatest
appreciation that can be got. You need not expect an explicit
appreciation from some one else. Thanks

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Thank you
Balachandran Sivakumar

Arise Awake and stop not till the goal is reached.

Mail: benig...@gmail.com
Blog: http://benignbala.wordpress.com/

[Neha Kapoor]

@Vivek
I am not against Flavio getting his certificate i just want to tel him that his way of approaching is wrong. But at the same time rules r rules. And let me remind u to prove ur work u have the java.net link. I know the importance of a certificate. I just want to tel u that a certificate alone doesn't justify ur work. And for ur reference here is a copy of the reply Thisthankar Sir gave long back to one such similar query. It is not that they r not responding to these mails they did reply. What more do u expect from them stop all their works and just sit replying to these mails. If you dont want to listen and dont want to understand you can continue wt u r doin. Its ur time n its upto u to decide how 2 use it. Anyways this is Thirthankar Sir's reply do read it carefully :

Hi All,


Many of you are very concerned about what happened to the certificates. Note that all those who would be getting the successful participation certificates have already been informed by email. Those of you who did not receive any email, it means that you will not be getting the participation certificate. Do not assume that because you submitted the final project, you will be getting the certificate. The evaluating panel has rejected projects which have not followed all the CFF rules and requirements.

We are yet to post the certificates to your mailing address and hence you have to wait. Once the certificates are posted, you will be informed.


On a more personal note, I wish you all the very best for your jobs, if you really want to show your prospective employer how good you are, point them to your project on java.net A certificate is a piece of paper, let them see what you have really done on the website.


NOTE: The certificate is not a SCJP certificate as some of you are thinking. It is a CFF participation certificate. All information is present on the CFF website.


Tirthankar
Http://blogs.sun.com/tirthankar
 


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Regards
Neha

[ANWESHA BHATTACHARJEE]

Hello Everybody, 

I am sorry if this offends anybody, but the cff mailing list has a huge lot of people, and not all are interested in this thread going on for almost a week or more... Kindly do everybody a favour and place your complaints with the organizers, without a hundred people commenting on the point... I'm sure the problem, whatever it is, gets solved that way.. I for one am tired of deleting this thread 10 times a day. 

I hope the point is duly noted.

Thanks.

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Anwesha Bhattacharjee
http://www.firevenus.blogspot.com

[ANWESHA BHATTACHARJEE]

Oh.. and Tirthankar, sorry for the second mail, butthanks for the previous mail  ... Please put out a notice.. this discussion has really gone on too long... 

Thanks. 

[vivek agarwal]

@ Flavio....well....rite....at this point as I see, Trithankar sir has also replied...so I guess u can get all your answers...so good luck with ur work buddy!!...

@Neha.....i agree certificate doesnt alone justifies a work, but it does plays a part....and it is more about satisfaction that you are being recognized!!...at least for me!!!!!!!!!! .............so i consider it equally important as the java.net link.......i never said Trithankar sir to stop all his jobs...but what he has done now i.e replying with just a small clarification, he could have done it before without letting our mailboxes being spammed!! .......anyways....

@ALL ...............i have always followed code for freedom ....and to be frank..it was a greatly organized contest.....not many contests have so good organizers and such a great group of participants...kudos to you all ....hope I can join your league next year!!!............

Good Luck,

Vivek

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From: Neha Kapoor <nikk...@gmail.com>
To: codefor...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Monday, 31 August, 2009 10:16:10 PM
Subject: Re: Suggestion

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