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InTOR, the Sith Empire has triangular shaped battleships in space missions and the Republic (the actual Galactic Reapublic) has Correlian class ships and ships that looks like the Rebel fleet in the Galactic Civil War.

Then in the galactic civil war, the Empire uses the same triangular shaped ships that the Sith Empire did way back when and that the clones used while the Rebels use the ships that the Republic uses in TOR.

Shouldn't the Republic in TOR use the triangular shaped ships? Aren't these the battleships of the Republic in the Clone Wars and in the Galactic Civil War? Is Bioware using the lame Rebel ships just because people use the 'Republic' and 'Rebels' interchangeably?

Afraid you're over-thinking this. Star Wars is a fantasy rather than a solid, quantifiable history. The reason the Sith Empire has the same wedge-shaped ships as the Galactic Empire is because THEY EEEEVIL. And that's about that.

If you really want an in-universe reason for it (and you shouldn't) you could probably argue that there's some kind of latent cultural memory lingering in the residents of the Star Wars galaxy, and the moment anyone ever harbours any ideas of galactic domination they sit down with the ship designers and say "What about a wedge shape? I'm just spitballing here."

Either way, I quite like the idea of a bunch of historians around about the start of the Clone Wars going "Are you kidding me? You don't remember what happened last time we had ships like this? Seriously?"

Naturally, the rebellion era starships are vastly more powerful. If you look at size and equipment, no ships in ToR can hold up against a rebellion era Imperial Class Star Destroyer. Not to mention the Super SD's.

As for the republic, it's not the -same- ships they're using. Again, similar in design, but nothing alike. Mainly, the ships in Rise of the Empire (episodes I, II, III) and Rebellion Era (Episodes IV, V, VI) are made by Corellian starship factories, which are companies with a proud past. The CR90 Corvette, for example looks similar to SWTOR's Jedi Starship. The YT series of transports also bear resemblance to SWTOR's XS stock light freighter (Smuggler ship).

I definitely am over thinking haha, but my problem is that this puts Bioware's rendering of the star wars universe more on the side of what they think popular culture thinks a star wars game should be and less on the side of a true star wars universe.

Yeah, that's been discussed at great lengths, hehe. It SHOULD have been Republic designs, not sure if GL ever really officially commented on that. It's possible that master Sifo Dyas (the one who ordered the clone army built and, btw, also later was "fused" biologically to create General Grievous) thought that the Imperial ship designs were more effective. It's also possible that he had nothing to do with it, that the triangular shape simply was the Kaminoans favored designs.

(Quote: Kuat Drive Yards mainly sold its products to the Galactic Empire, and the Galactic Republic previously. Many Kuat products could be found in TIE Fighters, armored fighting vehicles such as AT-STs and AT-ATs, Star Destroyers, and other military vehicles.)

of course the jedi that commisioned the clone army was a sith/ considering the fact that sideous was pulling the strings in the republic AND that the council had no idea that such an army was cleared for approval by a jedi that was dead for over ten years (coincides with palpatines becoming supreme chancilo cough cough* and on another note u failed to even recall who these "cloners" are called? they are Kamino.

Up until 1000 BBY, the Republic used ships like the Thranta and the Hammerhead, as we see in KOTOR and TOR. Sure, the designs change. For the most part, the Sith are the ones who use the wedge-shaped ships like the dreadnoughts in TOR.

Roughly 1000 BBY, something huge happened. The Sith were wiped out (or so the Republic thought). Because of this, certain things happened to the Republic, which are called the Ruusan Reformations. The specifics are not important. All you need to know is that, after Ruusan, the Republic no longer had a standing army. It relied on formal treaties and local law enforcement and militias to keep the peace. The Jedi themselves put away their armor and embraced a lifestyle of peace.

Fast forward to the Rise of the Empire era. Sidious had a clone army created. But, the Republic had no means of ferrying these troops around to wage war against the Separatists. What probably happened is Palpatine (either as Sifo-dyas or through him) offered old Sith schematics to some shipmakers (perhaps KDY), who then improved the designs, bringing them up to modern standards.

This is how I see it, the first wedge ships were first designed and used by the Rakatan Empire, this design would later be copied by the Sith Empire after losing the Great Hyperspace war, looking for a superior design capable of defeating the Republic Fleet.

During the Mandalorian wars though the Republic forces under Revan begin to design for unkown reasons wedge shaped capital ships to use against the Mandalorians (My guess is imperial infiltrators want to test the capabilities of wegde ships against normal vessels, the mandalorian wars and the jedi civil war was actually nothing but the Empire testing the military capabilities of the galaxy).

After the defeat of Revan's Sith Empire and the Star Forge the wedge ship design is now used solely by Sith Remnants and The True Sith Empire hiding in unkown space, the Republic continues to use the hammerhead and corellia designs. Then the Empire returns and the Great War starts. In the next 3000 years a technological dark age will start because of the New SIth Wars, and the wedge ship designs will diseaper until somewhere around or during the movies when Republic Engineers will conclude that the wedge ship design is the most efficient.

Then we get the movies in which the Republic navy is made into the Imperial Navy, and then after the movies the Star Destroyers will become the preffered capital ship design for both Imperial Remnant and New Republic forces.

So, it makes sense for the Sith to use this design, as they are a highly militant people. it makes sense for Revan to input that design into the Star Forge, as it would make his conquering the Republic easier. But, with Revan, it also was a psychological thing: the shape of the ships and their capabilities scared people.

This principle would later be expanded on by Wilhuff Tarkin, where he believed that it was better to rule by the fear of force, rather than by force itself. A Star Destroyer certainly could back up its fierce demeanor (especially the Eclipse class), but their real power came from their status as a symbol of the Empire's strength. They served as oppressor and rallying cry all in one.

But think about this, today's subaru looks the same as the ones 10 years ago, they just have little things to make em newer and have better performance. Same thing with ships, the manufacturer has the same design idea with better performance.

Unfortunatly yes, Bioware had gone the easy way by simply copying everything from Orginal Starwars, so you have Kuat Drive Yards, the Soorosub corporation and well many many many other companies, with thanks to Bioware 4000 year old Tradition.

I think as in any war the loser ends up delivering its technology to the winner, as the republic was the one who won it absorbed such as ship and until the period of the clone wars republic did not have an army not the model has undergone many changes. but with galactic empire the model was being perfected, and the rebels will not choose the ships that will use but used what they had at the time

I think that you're on to something here. Think about it. What if, some time after TOR takes place, the Sith Empire is weakened enough that it opts to just capitulate and merge into the Republic. Give a few thousand years for cultural exchange and cultural melding, and the Republic begins to adopt some symbols of the old Sith Empire, including adopting it's naval tradition (the ship designs), it's insignias (the Imperial/Republic Crest), and titles (the title of "Moff" ets.).

If you look at the symbol of the Jedi Order used on the Clone Wars TV show, it's nearly identical to the insignia that the Republic uses in the TOR era; while if you look at the symbol used by the Republic government, it's very reminicent of the TOR era's Imperial Crest. Thus, we can draw the conclusion that, at some point in time after TOR, the Republic began to adopt Imperial iconography, while the Jedi absorbed the symbols of the "Old" (relatively speaking) Republic.

The current republic and empire will merge at some point. The Imperial ship design is far superior to the republics, it's only natural that when they merge, they will choose the better ship design. Once the rebellion kicks into gear in the OT, the ships are refitted support vessels and other, non-military grade vessels. Once the Mon Cal join in with their capital ships, only then does the Rebellion even have military grade capital ships. The B-wings are clone wars era ships, the X-wing a new prototype that was designed to be a hybrid and stolen by the rebellion.

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