A List of Open Innovators & Crowdsourcing Examples

[Dusty]

Hey guys,

I found this list today and thought, "Hey, we fit into this mindset."

http://www.openinnovators.net/list-open-innovation-crowdsourcing-examples/

Where do you guys think we fit on this list?

[John Erik Metcalf]

Great list. Perhaps "Platforms for entrepreneurs"  --?

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[Cesar R Torres]

We're a lot of these. A brand new category: Conjunctured!
Interesting list. Will have to check them out to see what they're
doing too.

[Kevin Koym]

i like the idea that you guys might represent a whole-new-animal.  consider it. 
i have not looked over the list in detail- i will- and i will look at a couple of other list as well to see if i can help out figuring out how it might be messaged.  let's make sure to talk about this over drinks at SXSW

kevin

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"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God" (Matthew 5:9)

[John Erik Metcalf]

i like that idea too. we're a co-company, create a new list and stick us on as number 1

looking forward to it kevin!

[Dusty]

Most definitely Kevin!

So, here's another exercise/question. "We're like Elance, but
_______."

I'll start (feel free to rebuttal these answers. I'm just trying these
on.):

We're local
Our freelancers collaborate
We have a coworking space (ok, we don't yet. But we do cowork.)
The client pays Conjunctured who then pays the lancer. (Maybe we're
like escrow in that regard?)

And what about these?:
Conjunctured bares the responsibility of the quality of work more so
than Elance as far as the client is concerned. If a lancer makes a
fatal business mistake, isn't Conjunctured's neck on the line. This
isn't the case with Elance.
Elance moderates conflict between lancers and clients and their final
word is indeed final. Clients and lancers legally agree to this before
using the system. Could Conjunctured be a mediator?

On Mar 5, 11:38 am, "John Erik Metcalf" <jmetcal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> i like that idea too. we're a co-company, create a new list and stick us on
> as number 1
>
> looking forward to it kevin!
>
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Kevin Koym <
>
>
>
> kevin.k...@enterpriseteaming.com> wrote:
> > i like the idea that you guys might represent a whole-new-animal.
> > consider it.
> > i have not looked over the list in detail- i will- and i will look at a
> > couple of other list as well to see if i can help out figuring out how it
> > might be messaged. let's make sure to talk about this over drinks at SXSW
>
> > kevin
>
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Cesar R Torres <ces...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > We're a lot of these. A brand new category: Conjunctured!
> > > Interesting list. Will have to check them out to see what they're
> > > doing too.
>

> > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 10:21 AM, John Erik Metcalf <jmetcal...@gmail.com>

> > > wrote:
> > > > Great list. Perhaps "Platforms for entrepreneurs" --?
>

> > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 2:08 AM, Dusty <dustyrea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Hey guys,
>
> > > > > I found this list today and thought, "Hey, we fit into this
> > > mindset."
>

> > >http://www.openinnovators.net/list-open-innovation-crowdsourcing-exam...

>
> > > > > Where do you guys think we fit on this list?
>
> > > > --
> > > > John Erik Metcalf
> > > > tel: 210.724.3619
> > > > fax: 563.405.4275

> > > > email: jmetcal...@gmail.com

> > > > web log:http://blog.think27.com
> > > > resume/cv:http://linkedin.com/in/johnerikmetcalf
>
> > --
> > Kevin Koym

> > kevin.k...@enterpriseteaming.com

> > +1.512.698.9328 mobile
>
> > Enterprise Teaming, LLC
> >http://www.enterpriseteaming.com
>
> > "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God"
> > (Matthew 5:9)
>
> --
> John Erik Metcalf
> tel: 210.724.3619
> fax: 563.405.4275

> email: jmetcal...@gmail.com

[John Erik Metcalf]

...but we don't exploit people!

no, ...i'll keep thinking

email: jmetc...@gmail.com

[Kevin Koym]

the big problem with elance, guru, and getacoder.com (based on personal experience)  is not that the others that I might work with are not in town nor in the country, it is that there is no real trust broker on these other relationships.

the simple reputation (eBay like) score just is not enough... More over, I get lots of bids from people on the projects that i have previously posted from people that have no reputation....

conjunctured has the opportunity to be the trust broker, having slightly tigher connections than the too-loose connections of elance types of sites.

plus... it would be great to have a way to "vote" on customers.  I got one project through guru.com from a guy that ended up being a jerk (me as consultant in this case).  I ended up hearing that this is the way that he just is.  wow... I wish that I could have found this out faster some other way... the cost of information on the customer being a jerk... this is something that conjunctured should figure out how to represent in the systems of the biz.

kevin

On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Dusty <dusty...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Dusty]

John: Yeah, I think that's valid, "we don't exploit people." But how
is Elance exploiting people?

Kevin: So in your case, you'd work with Conjunctured over Elance
because you know some of us and trust us, and you know that we know
and trust our members, thus the connection to you and whomever your
working with at Conjunctured is stronger. Do I understand that right?
That seems like a pretty powerful thing.

In that same vein it seems that maybe Conjunctured should be liable
for the work it's members do as opposed to the freelancer, to further
strengthen that trust. The alternative being the lancer being directly
liable for his/her own work.

I like the idea of rating client's too, and not just rating them, but
in a transparent environment. Could get ugly, but it could also make
for responsive clients. :)
...............

Maybe we're a mix between Elance, Independents Hall, Jelly, and a
Business Incubator?

On Mar 5, 1:11 pm, "Kevin Koym" <kevin.k...@enterpriseteaming.com>
wrote:

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[Matt Revelle]

(Ignorance disclosure: I've never used Elance, only glanced at their
site after they were mentioned on this group.)

A problem with a system like Elance is that people are investing time
in earning reputation within an organization they do not control.
This can turn into exploitation if Elance introduces new policies that
screw people over, but those people feel compelled to stay because of
their investment.

Conjunctured should absolutely be liable for work done by members via
the organization. That's an advantage for any Conjunctured members
that lack their own company, a vehicle for doing work and having some
legal protection.

I thought about placing clients into the reputation system and
concluded that's not appropriate.

We could track client's responsiveness, how interesting their projects
are, what types of projects, profit, etc. Use it to calculate which
clients maximize both work enjoyment and profit.

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[Kevin Koym]

yes that is what i am saying...

or in a simpler format... Trust is the number one competitive weapon...  think about it:

1.  with trust things happen faster

2.  with trust fewer things have to be documented (contracts are much shorter)

3.  things are usually easier to work out

when we can, let's talk about it live... i can share the "ontology of trust"... which might help give some philosophical architecture to how you are looking at trust systems.

have fun!

Kevin

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