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Moses

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Dec 15, 2023, 6:56:13 AM12/15/23
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一個时代的结束? 即使是今天看, 仍然是有利有弊吧...

Google Groups ending support for Usenet
https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538

If you work with Usenet groups in Google Groups, support for these groups is ending soon.

What’s changing?
Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.

In addition, Google’s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server and associated peering will no longer be available, meaning Google will not support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP servers.

This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups, including all user and organization-created groups. Most of the current Google Groups content is not Usenet content and will not be affected.

What do I need to do?
If you don’t actively engage with Usenet content, you don’t need to do anything. Current Usenet users will need to do two things before February 22, 2024 if they want to continue engaging with Usenet content:

Find a new Usenet client. Several free and paid alternatives are available, both web-based and application-based. To find a client, do a web search for "how do I find a usenet text client"
Find a new public Usenet server. The new client you choose will likely have a default server or a set of curated options for you. If not, to find a server, do a web search for "public NNTP servers."
Because Usenet is a distributed system, you do not need to migrate data. All of the Usenet content you can access today on Google Groups should already be synced to the new server you choose. After you select a new client and server, you can reselect the groups you’re interested in.

Why is Google Groups support for Usenet ending?
Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more modern technologies and formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.


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Lu Wei

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Dec 15, 2023, 9:27:02 AM12/15/23
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On 2023-12-15 6:56, Moses wrote:
>
> 一個时代的结束? 即使是今天看, 仍然是有利有弊吧...
>
> Google Groups ending support for Usenet
> https://support.google.com/groups/answer/11036538
> ...

利大于弊。我觉得Google从来没有认真参与usenet的意愿，作为大企业想的还是抓自己手里，搞极权式架构。Google
group作为usenet和mailing
list的混合体就挺奇怪的，往阴谋想是不是一种引流措施，放任usenet的spam，让大家往google控制的mailing
list去。本来如果以Google的地位，像参与改进DNS和HTTP那样引领改进NTTP也不是不可能，但看来Google已经和usenet不兼容了。少一个大spammer，损失一个存档库（而且这个存档库已经不能取到完整文件了），大多数管理员应该都会欢迎。

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lbf

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Dec 16, 2023, 2:37:23 AM12/16/23
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垃圾太多了，特别是最近。

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Moses

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Dec 16, 2023, 8:05:50 AM12/16/23
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spam 肯定会少很多 (这也是 Google 关闭的理由之一), 但以后要想
找 2023 年之后的帖子就有点麻烦了~~~

>>>>> "Lu" == Lu Wei <luwe...@gmail.com> writes:

Lu> On 2023-12-15 6:56, Moses wrote:

Lu> 利大于弊。我觉得Google从来没有认真参与usenet的意愿，
Lu> 作为大企业想的还是抓自己手里，搞极权式架构。Google
Lu> group作为usenet和mailing list的混合体就挺奇怪的，往
Lu> 阴谋想是不是一种引流措施，放任usenet的spam，让大家往
Lu> google控制的mailing list去。本来如果以Google的地位，
Lu> 像参与改进DNS和HTTP那样引领改进NTTP也不是不可能，但
Lu> 看来Google已经和usenet不兼容了。少一个大spammer，损
Lu> 失一个存档库（而且这个存档库已经不能取到完整文件了），
Lu> 大多数管理员应该都会欢迎。

Lu> -- Regards, Lu Wei IM: xmpp:luwe...@riotcat.org
Lu> PGP: 0xA12FEF7592CCE1EA

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Lu Wei

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Dec 17, 2023, 6:18:03 PM12/17/23
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On 2023-12-16 8:05, Moses wrote:
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> spam 肯定会少很多 (这也是 Google 关闭的理由之一), 但以后要想
> 找 2023 年之后的帖子就有点麻烦了~~~
>
https://narkive.com/ 还在


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Moses

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Dec 18, 2023, 8:28:27 PM12/18/23
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上面没搜索框......

>>>>> "Lu" == Lu Wei <luwe...@gmail.com> writes:

Lu> On 2023-12-16 8:05, Moses wrote:
>>
>> spam 肯定会少很多 (这也是 Google 关闭的理由之一), 但
>> 以后要想找 2023 年之后的帖子就有点麻烦了~~~
>>
Lu> https://narkive.com/ 还在

Lu Wei

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Dec 18, 2023, 9:20:38 PM12/18/23
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On 2023-12-18 20:28, Moses wrote:
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> 上面没搜索框......
>
恐怕只能结合Google的站内搜索参数了


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The Edwin

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Jan 19, 2024, 10:37:00 PM1/19/24
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我觉得是好事。

以前天涯是个好地方，有很多高人，其乐融融的，后来毁了。
以前帝吧也是个好地方，有很多通透的人，后来也毁了。
后来什么糗事百科，Bilibili，网站还在，社区文化都毁了。。。

那些邀请制，每年花100欧元会费，还得用命令行才能登陆的BBS
就没这个风险

新闻组地方本来就小，来一条粉蛆，有多大威力大家都看得见。
如果大量涌入就彻底没法用了。

谷歌把这个地域传送门给关了，变相提高了门槛，新闻组还能清净

Solatle

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Feb 1, 2024, 4:20:51 PM2/1/24
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嗨，

继linuxba irc中文频道后，又发现了这个宝藏新闻组。才用谷歌探索了一下历史
消息，就看到这个提示停止服务的提示。。

其它倒没啥，确实搜索功能只有大厂有能力做，没了好用的搜索真是一大损失

Moses

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Feb 1, 2024, 8:31:04 PM2/1/24
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前一阵在 IRC 里见过你...


>>>>> "Solatle" == Solatle <duzai...@hotmail.com> writes:

Solatle> 嗨，继linuxba irc中文频道后，又发现了这个宝藏新
Solatle> 闻组。才用谷歌探索了一下历史消息，就看到这个提
Solatle> 示停止服务的提示。。

Solatle> 其它倒没啥，确实搜索功能只有大厂有能力做，没了
Solatle> 好用的搜索真是一大损失

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Solatle

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Feb 2, 2024, 3:59:32 AM2/2/24
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是的，最近痴迷这些老派的东西，昨天刚折腾好了gnus看新闻组和邮件列表，
rmail看收件箱

>>>>> "Moses" == Moses <moses...@gmail.com> writes:

> 前一阵在 IRC 里见过你...

>>>>> "Solatle" == Solatle <duzai...@hotmail.com> writes:

Solatle> 嗨，继linuxba irc中文频道后，又发现了这个宝藏新闻组。才用谷
Solatle> 歌探索了一下历史消息，就看到这个提示停止服务的提示。。

Solatle> 其它倒没啥，确实搜索功能只有大厂有能力做，没了好用的搜索真
Solatle> 是一大损失

> -- Moses@GNUS

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lbf

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Feb 2, 2024, 5:07:40 AM2/2/24
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中文irc，好像就几个linux相关的群比较活跃，而且气氛比较自由。
irc,usenet这些赛博复古的技术只有极客还在用。

Solatle

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Feb 2, 2024, 6:27:56 AM2/2/24
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感觉不是极客，年纪到了自然也会找个清净地方聊天分享。其它的嘈杂社交平台最
后都会像朋友圈一样，厌倦了
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