Re: Draft of Table of Contents for Cloud Computing Use Cases White Paper V3

[tluk...@exnihilum.com]

>> "You don't see anyone bitching about the definition of "client-server" now do you"

No, Sam.. but neither do you see anyone forming "Client-Server Security" groups either. You're smart enough to understand what my point was. And I won't even comment on your "Cloud computing is adequately defined" remark -- other than to say that it's as adequately defined as "client-server" is.

TJL

-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam Johnston" [sa...@samj.net]
Date: 01/12/2010 08:46 PM
To: cloud...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Draft of Table of Contents for Cloud Computing Use Cases White
Paper V3

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:47 PM, tluk...@exnihilum.com <tluk...@exnihilum.com> wrote:

So when trying to address Security for something as (arguably) ill-defined as "Cloud Computing" we can end up lost in a swamp very quickly.

Cloud computing is adequately defined, though to the chagrin of many its definition (while accurate) lacks precision. You dont see anyone bitching about the definition of "client-server" now do you, and yet that applies to pretty much everything we use computers for today. Lets leave definition discussions in 2007 where they belong.

Anyway it wasnt my intention to post to the peanut gallery - I inadvertently responded to the copy here rather than the original thread in the cloud- computing-use-cases group. Apologies.

Sam

[Sam Johnston]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:17 PM, tluk...@exnihilum.com <tluk...@exnihilum.com> wrote:

>> "You don't see anyone bitching about the definition of "client-server" now do you"

No, Sam.. but neither do you see anyone forming "Client-Server Security" groups either.

What, you mean like the Client/Server Security Standards Task Force (ca 1995)?

Sam

[tluk...@exnihilum.com]

>> "What, you mean like the Client/Server Security Standards Task Force (ca 1995)?"

Seriously Sam, one obscure (ambitiously named) group that published one single paper 15 years ago?

-----Original Message-----
From: "Sam Johnston" [sa...@samj.net]
Date: 01/12/2010 10:20 PM
To: cloud...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Draft of Table of Contents for Cloud Computing Use Cases White
Paper V3

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:17 PM, tluk...@exnihilum.com <tluk...@exnihilum.com> wrote:

>> "You dont see anyone bitching about the definition of "client-server" now do you"

[Sam Johnston]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:55 PM, tluk...@exnihilum.com <tluk...@exnihilum.com> wrote:

>> "What, you mean like the Client/Server Security Standards Task Force (ca 1995)?"

Seriously Sam, one obscure (ambitiously named) group that published one single paper 15 years ago?

In 15 years the CSA could well be referred to as "one obscure (ambitiously named) group that published one single paper 15 years ago" too. Remember that a lot of the work we were doing back then wasn't necessarily committed to the Internet (though some of it made it into usenet groups like comp.client-server), and we cared a lot less about security back then too.

My point is simply that we've been here before, and we may well go here again (though it's hard to imagine how/what/when).

Sam