A Patent Lie: How Yahoo Weaponized My Work
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ruv
Mar 13, 2012, 4:56:11 PM3/13/12
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Interesting story on wired.com
"While most of the tech world was partying at South by Southwest in Austin yesterday, Yahoo! announced it was filing a lawsuit against Facebook for allegedly infringing on 10 patents from their 1,000+ patent warehouse."
Read story.
Gary Mazz
Mar 13, 2012, 6:03:19 PM3/13/12
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Interesting article...
Andy Baio gives yahoo a cocked, loaded gun and then is dismayed when they use it.
It a executive's obligation to the companies stakeholders to maximize financial performance.
Maybe Andy would have a different perspective if it was his failing retirement fund that invested in Yahoo and this law suite would generate an extra $20/mo that would allow him to pay for some healthy food or pay for Insulin or his heart or anti-stroke medication.
Just something to think about...
keeping the playing field in perspective
-g
Andy Baio gives yahoo a cocked, loaded gun and then is dismayed when they use it.
It a executive's obligation to the companies stakeholders to maximize financial performance.
Maybe Andy would have a different perspective if it was his failing retirement fund that invested in Yahoo and this law suite would generate an extra $20/mo that would allow him to pay for some healthy food or pay for Insulin or his heart or anti-stroke medication.
Just something to think about...
keeping the playing field in perspective
-g
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Scott Jordan
Mar 13, 2012, 6:10:06 PM3/13/12
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Baio's beef seems to be with vague patents, not software patents per se.
That, and the code attorneys write in... which he states, several times, that he doesn't understand.
So, he's upset about something that isn't what he says he's upset about, and he doesn't understand the thing he's upset about.
He should stick to coding.
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ruv
Mar 13, 2012, 6:32:48 PM3/13/12
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Best is the last sentence. Sums up the problem with software patents.
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:10:06 PM UTC-4, Scott.C.Jordan wrote:
“If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you’d have invented Facebook.”
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:10:06 PM UTC-4, Scott.C.Jordan wrote:
Baio's beef seems to be with vague patents, not software patents per se.That, and the code attorneys write in... which he states, several times, that he doesn't understand.So, he's upset about something that isn't what he says he's upset about, and he doesn't understand the thing he's upset about.He should stick to coding.--Scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Gary Mazz <garymaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting article...
Andy Baio gives yahoo a cocked, loaded gun and then is dismayed when they use it.
It a executive's obligation to the companies stakeholders to maximize financial performance.
Maybe Andy would have a different perspective if it was his failing retirement fund that invested in Yahoo and this law suite would generate an extra $20/mo that would allow him to pay for some healthy food or pay for Insulin or his heart or anti-stroke medication.
Just something to think about...
keeping the playing field in perspective
-g
On 3/13/2012 2:56 PM, ruv wrote:
Interesting story on wired.com"While most of the tech world was partying at South by Southwest in Austin yesterday, Yahoo! announced it was filing a lawsuit against Facebook for allegedly infringing on 10 patents from their 1,000+ patent warehouse."--
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Fred Zappert
Mar 13, 2012, 7:02:55 PM3/13/12
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What is the connection between this thread and this forum?
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ruv
Mar 13, 2012, 7:35:35 PM3/13/12
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Do you mean how does two web (aka cloud) companies suing each other over patents relate to cloud interop? How doesn't it?
ruv
Fred Zappert
Mar 14, 2012, 12:30:30 AM3/14/12
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Ruv,
While we may dislike the way the intellectual property system is being used, these are assets of these companies however acquired.
Are you suggesting that they should not compete, and simply "play nice" with their IP? Perceptions aside, these companies have a fudiciary responsible to both protect and use their assets
From my perspective, the only place that companies are working towards cloud interoperability is among the 140+ members of OpenStack. Here, most of the players are freely contributing their developings back to the project, letting go of trying to achieve competitive advantage.
What are their motivations to not seek competitive edge through trade secrets and/or patents? They see interoperability and collaboration as the best means of being able to compete with AWS as a service provider at one end of the spectrum, and VMware as a software provider at the other end.
HP is seeing a significant number of enterprises conduct serious evaluations of their upcoming OpenStack introduction during the free trial period. The clear distinction here is the commitment by HP to not try to lock anyone in. This clearly has a lot of perceived benefit. These companies are doing what you were encouraging them to do serveral years ago, and by code, not standards committees.
Isn't the topic of this reconstructed forum primarily one of promoting interoperabilty? As one example companies with their private clouds on one continent want to be able to "roam" to public clouds in other continents.
Regards,
Fred.
Pablo
Mar 14, 2012, 4:46:50 AM3/14/12
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Ruv
I completely agree with Fred. I think we should stay focused on Interoperability. And saying that Facebook and Yahoo are cloud companies merely because they are web companies is like saying that any service provided by means of internet is cloud, rendering the concept completely useless (a buzzword).
Pablo
On 03/14/2012 05:30 AM, Fred Zappert wrote:
I completely agree with Fred. I think we should stay focused on Interoperability. And saying that Facebook and Yahoo are cloud companies merely because they are web companies is like saying that any service provided by means of internet is cloud, rendering the concept completely useless (a buzzword).
Pablo
On 03/14/2012 05:30 AM, Fred Zappert wrote:
Ruv,�While we may dislike the way the intellectual property system�is being used,�these are assets of these companies however acquired.�Are you suggesting that they should not compete, and simply "play nice" with their IP?� Perceptions aside, these companies have a fudiciary responsible to both protect and use their assets�From my perspective, the only place that companies are working towards cloud interoperability is among the 140+ members of OpenStack.� Here, most of the players are freely contributing their�developings�back to the project, letting go of trying to achieve competitive advantage.��What�are their motivations to not seek competitive edge through trade secrets and/or patents?� They see interoperability and collaboration as the best means of being able to compete with AWS as a service provider at one end of the spectrum, and�VMware as a software provider at the other end.�HP is seeing�a significant number of enterprises conduct serious evaluations of their upcoming OpenStack introduction during�the free trial period.�The clear distinction here is�the commitment by HP to not try to lock anyone in.� This clearly has a lot of perceived benefit.� These companies are doing what you were encouraging them to do serveral years ago, and by code, not standards committees.�Isn't the topic of this reconstructed forum�primarily one of promoting interoperabilty?� As one example companies with their private clouds on one continent want to be able to "roam" to public clouds in other continents.��Regards,Fred.��
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:35 PM, ruv <ruv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you mean how does two web (aka cloud) companies�suing each other over patents relate to cloud interop? How doesn't it?
ruv
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:02:55 PM UTC-4, Fred Zappert wrote:
What is the connection between this thread and this forum?
Sent from my iPhone
Best is the last sentence. Sums up the problem with software patents.�
�If you guys were the inventors of Facebook, you�d have invented Facebook.��
On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:10:06 PM UTC-4, Scott.C.Jordan wrote:
Baio's beef seems to be with vague patents, not software patents per se.
That, and the code attorneys write in... which he states, several times, that he doesn't understand.
So, he's upset about something that isn't what he says he's upset about, and he doesn't understand the thing he's upset about.
He should stick to coding.
--Scott
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Gary Mazz <garymaz...@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting article...
Andy Baio gives yahoo a cocked, loaded gun and then is dismayed when they use it.
It a executive's obligation to the companies stakeholders to maximize financial performance.
Maybe Andy would have a different perspective if it was his failing retirement fund that invested in Yahoo and this law suite would generate an extra $20/mo that would allow him to pay for some healthy food or pay for Insulin or his heart or anti-stroke medication.
Just something to think about...
keeping the playing field in perspective
-g
On 3/13/2012 2:56 PM, ruv wrote:
Interesting story on wired.com�"While most of the tech world was partying at South by Southwest in Austin yesterday, Yahoo! announced it was�filing a lawsuit�against Facebook for allegedly infringing on 10 patents from their�1,000+ patent warehouse."�
Read story.
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Gary Mazz
Mar 14, 2012, 5:14:44 AM3/14/12
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Boy, did I miss the point ... I thought it was another millionaire whining someone is making more money off the company the sold...
I agree, with Pablo and Fred. It has little to do with interoperability, unless they leverage the law suite as a vehicle to gain access to their site. Then the resulting implmentation may have some relevance.
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