How CC Works Diagram

[Moshref]

Attached is one of the best Diagram I have seen on how CC works. Courtesy of Financial Times:

 

Rgds,

Moshref

 

[Alan Williamson (AW1)]

Moshref wrote:
> Attached is one of the best Diagram I have seen on how CC works.
> Courtesy of Financial Times:

personally for me, i do not believe that represents cloud-computing at
all terribly well, and i guess highlights just how confused the
industry/media is as to what cloud-computing is all about.

For example, is YouTube really cloud computing, or just a traditionally
scalable hosted application?

We've been building out hugely scalable sites for years, for many large
brand names on the net, but I would never attach the tag "cloud
computing" to them.

We *are* building out "cloud computing" configurations now, but these
are vastly/radically different from the historical setups.

I think the media is getting caught up in the hype and simply attaching
the words "cloud computing" to anything thats accessed via a web browser.

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[BPickles Broadband]

Alan

I am new to cloud computing, my first idea as to what it might be, as there
is a little
bit of confusion around would be this:

Cloud Computing : Applications or service that is not just a web site,
but an application
wth specific functions, such a a Siebel
system on the WEB? or a
linkedIN say, as it's really a huge contact
database hosted on the
web and used by millions. All data is store
on external servers, I suppose
vitualisation is at work on these servers
as they appear as one, until the
starts to struggle when overworked or a
fault appears.

If this is wrong, please correct me, provide a higher level description.

Cheers

Bob

[Jordi Torres (Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - UPC, Barcelona)]

I agree with Alan,

>I think the media is getting caught up in the hype
>and simply attaching the words "cloud computing"
>to anything thats accessed via a web browser.

for the target of this google-group.

Even though the mass media should transmit this new computing paradigm to
the society in a easy way in order they could understand something about it
(the tech. background of the readers are low). In my opinion it is an
acceptable/good approach for this target. Probably this is the only way that
some CEO of SMEs in my country (up to 90% of the companies) could be aware
that the nature of computing is under going a revolution.
Moshref thank you for this CC diagram. I will use it with some of my CEO
colleagues.
Regards,
Jordi

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Technical University of Catalonia, Barcelona, Spain.
http://people.ac.upc.edu/torres

[Alan Williamson (AW1)]

Jordi Torres (Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - UPC, Barcelona) wrote:
> I agree with Alan,

> for the target of this google-group.
>
> Even though the mass media should transmit this new computing paradigm to
> the society in a easy way in order they could understand something about it
> (the tech. background of the readers are low). In my opinion it is an
> acceptable/good approach for this target.

While i understand what you are saying, i think this may back fire at a
later date. This isn't the first time we've had such confusion in the
IT world (java = javascript?)

I have had to re-educate C levels as to what cloud computing can do for
them because when first brought up they instantly say "ah but we don't
need Google" or "we don't use the web" etc. They have it in their minds
that "cloud computing" is what GMail or YouTube is. Which is wrong on
both accounts. They don't see it as an ondemand raw CPU pool.

@Bob; going to your point, there is a lot of confusion in this space.
For me cloud computing is like the electricity we use in our buildings;
its on-demand, we consume as much as we need of it and get billed for it
at the end of the day. This electricity is now CPU power.

What we plug into it, or what we power with it, i do not believe should
be given the title "cloud computing". Am i in the car manufacturing
industry if i drive a car? I do not believe i am.

To mix it up with say LinkedIn with their millions of users I believe is
not quite right and not doing either party any justice. LinkedIn may
not actually use any cloud+computing/virtualization at all in its
delivery mechanism. It may just be a good old fashioned scalable
network of servers. They are all doing one job and one job only.

What i find interesting is why should these services only NOW get
spotlight and relabelled 'cloud computing'? Don't LinkedIn, GMail,
HotMail, Yahoo, MySpace etc, all predate the current media hype around
"cloud computing" ?

Is a network engineer now automatically upgraded to a "cloud engineer"?

This is the world i fear we are heading into, and its a very dangerous one.

i am but one voice; some agree, some disagree. Bottom line, no one can
really say with 100% clarity what 'cloud computing' really is.

fun times we live in.

[no...@digitalphenomena.com]

 

 

I'm sure it was high-priority, too.

 

 

 

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Subject: How CC Works Diagram
From: "Moshref" <mos...@comcast.net>
Date: Sat, October 25, 2008 12:05 am
To: <cloud-c...@googlegroups.com>

Attached is one of the best Diagram I have seen on how CC works. Courtesy of Financial Times:

 

Rgds,

Moshref

 

[John J. Wade]

I agree with Jordi. The diagram is a very good "high-level" representation. But I also agree that it may be abit misleading when detals regarding implementation or day-to-day management are discussed. If you were to recommend literature or a website that would provide much more technical detial what would that be?

-JW

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From: Jordi Torres (Universitat Politècnica de Catalunya - UPC, Barcelona) <tor...@ac.upc.edu>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 01:46
To: cloud-c...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How CC Works Diagram


I agree with Alan,
>I think the media is getting caught up in the hype
>and simply attaching the words "cloud computing"
>to anything thats accessed via a web browser.

for the target of this google-group.

Even though the mass media should transmit this new computing paradigm to
the society in a easy way in order they could understand something about it
(the tech. background of the readers are low). In my opinion it is an

[Ming Zhang]

On Sat, 2008-10-25 at 06:00 +0100, Alan Williamson (AW1) wrote:
> Moshref wrote:
> > Attached is one of the best Diagram I have seen on how CC works.
> > Courtesy of Financial Times:
>
> personally for me, i do not believe that represents cloud-computing at
> all terribly well, and i guess highlights just how confused the
> industry/media is as to what cloud-computing is all about.

so what is your definition on "cloud computing"? have to know where you
stand.

before we think how it works, shall we think what it is first?

>
> For example, is YouTube really cloud computing, or just a traditionally
> scalable hosted application?

if use the so wide definition from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing

then youtube is. it provide video service, at $0/view fee, and users get
the service via Internet...

>
> We've been building out hugely scalable sites for years, for many large
> brand names on the net, but I would never attach the tag "cloud
> computing" to them.
>
> We *are* building out "cloud computing" configurations now, but these
> are vastly/radically different from the historical setups.

so what are these configurations? and what criteria make you think they
are really "clouds"

lacking a clear definition and a set of criteria to differentiate is the
most painful but common situation when dealing with these buzz words...

but at the end of day, solving customer problems is still the only way
to last...

>
> I think the media is getting caught up in the hype and simply attaching
> the words "cloud computing" to anything thats accessed via a web browser.
>
--

never so busy...
http://www.linkedin.com/in/blackmagic02881

[Jim Peters]

IMO, it's more like what CC looks like than how CC works, but it is good. Thanks!

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+415-608-0851

[Raj Ramabadran]

This represent the connected experience on different device. However I agree the backend could vary based on where the software is running - onpremise, hosted or on the cloud.

[BPickles Broadband]

Alex, All

Sounds like we should be defining what Cloud Computing really is...

I know that I can spare a few hours a week to discuss what we think it is
and what
perhaps a group or body should make 'Cloud Computing'.

My first questions would be:

1. What was the first time that the term 'Cloud Computing' was used to
discuss an implementation?
See this ref :
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=211600295
This has been available for a long time, but virtualisation will
make it easier... virtualisation
is a software implementation(at the moment).
2. It's obviously an Internet Phenomonon, without the internet it could
not exist,
so what is so special about Cloud Computing, whats the difference
between
say www.cnn.com and say Amazon's Web Services?
Is it simpley Supply vs Demand and cost to the user servicing the
demand?
3. Can we make money out of it, hey it's business after all!
4. Then can we make it competively priced to ensure fairness?
5. Can we do this, is it needed and will it help?

Bob

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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:08 PM
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[Tarry Singh]

For the same reason I opened a new thread.

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[john maclean]

2008/10/25 Alan Williamson (AW1) <al...@aw20.co.uk>:

I think that the diagram is great in the context of it's audience -
the general public and business people. Any more detail on it and
you'd lose them. If it was in a newspaper eyes would gloss over and
that space would be used for solving sudoku puzzles.

I'm a lurker on this thread.
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From: cloud-c...@googlegroups.com [mailto:cloud-c...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Peters
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:30 PM
To: cloud-c...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How CC Works Diagram

 

IMO, it's more like what CC looks like than how CC works, but it is good. Thanks!