Is Cloud Carbon Footprint still an active project?

[Adrian Cockcroft]

There's been no activity on the project or answers here for many months. The last release was a year ago.

Is anyone still working on CCF, and if not, what is the position of Thoughtworks, as sponsor of the project?

Is there an alternative, or path forward, perhaps via the FinOps foundation FOCUS standard, or the Green Software Foundation?

Adrian

[‎S Val]

Great question, I'd like to hear an answer to it too :)

[Mark Richter]

TW defunded support for this in September 2023. I was at TW at the time so I can confirm this. Sadly, TW did not announce this. A couple of very dedicated folks at TW continued to provide a modicum of support into the spring of 2024. 

I left TW a little over a year ago so can no longer provide current status other than to say that sources tell me that external support for CCF remains unfunded.

This is all quite a shame since CCF remains the only software of which I am aware that can provide consistent, day-to-day, footprint estimates across a heterogeneous cloud environment. But it does need to be updated and maintained! 

Perhaps if some of us in the community wanted to take it on, we could fork the code, create a new open source project, and run with it. I'd certainly be willing to help.

Mark

[Julien Nioche]

Thanks for the explanation Mark

I would definitely be interested in contributing to a new open source incarnation of the project.

Julien

[Mark Richter]

Another point I'd like to make. I think that if the community were to band together with a constructive proposal to help support CCF ourselves that it would help show that there continues to be a strong interest in CCF. 

I also think that Green Software Foundation is a decent choice for sponsorship of CCF. I fear that the FinOps Foundation is too singularly focused on FinOps. 

Several of us joined the FinOps Foundation three years ago and formed a sustainability working group. Our mission was to integrate GreenOps/Sustainability into the FinOps Framework. We found it to be rough going. 

Since that time I have come to think that GreenOps, the use of carbon footprint and water consumption in KPIs actually encapsulates FinOps. Think about it. If I conserve carbon I am almost always going to reduce cost. But I can buy RIs, CUDs and savings plans until the cows come home and not lower my carbon footprint at all. In fact I create a perverse incentive to use more at lower rates.

Anyway, I'll stop diving into a rabbit hole.

--mark

[Julien Nioche]

> I also think that Green Software Foundation is a decent choice for sponsorship of CCF. I fear that the FinOps Foundation is too singularly focused on FinOps. 

I am a member of the GSF, FinOps but also Boavizta and the Apache Software Foundation. The last 2 could also be a home for the project.

As much as I like the GSF, it is very much a members-only club where it is not easy for individual contributors to take part in a project unless they happen to work for one of the member orgs.
I agree that the FinOps foundation is not the right place.
The ASF is one of the leading open source orgs, it is mature and well established. There is an incubator and that would be a good place for the project: it might require Thoughtworks to agree to donating the project to the ASF, not sure whether this is realistic and given the lack of response on this forum this is probably an indication that this is not going to happen.
Finally there is Boavizta, anyone can be a member and there is an ecosystem of related projects. I can ask if there would be an interest in hosting the project.

Julien

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[Adrian Cockcroft]

The code for the tool and it data sources are two different problem to solve. 

GSF has a public cloud region metadata standard I’ve been working on that CCF could use. 

Finops foundation could also publish useful reference data and standard formats. 

I agree the code would be best owned by someone like ASF. 

Adrian

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[Mark Richter]

Yes, thendatabis a separate issue. I've given the identity of the data elements CCF needs to the FinOps Foumdation and asked these be integrated into the FOCUS schema. With that CCF will work in a straight forward way given a FOCUS adapter. 

[Julie Bastien]

Hi everyone,

Really excited to see this conversation picking up again! At Aiven, we’ve been longtime users of the CCF tool.

If anything moves forward in terms of reviving or forking the project, we’d be more than happy to contribute — whether that’s through testing, feedback, code contributions, or helping build the community around it.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes!

Best,

Julie

Sustainability Manager @Aiven