Clojure + BDD + TDD + Pairing...

[Marcus Blankenship]

Hi Folks,

I’m a Clojure n00b, but am interested in finding another n00b who aspires to learn Clojure, and do so using BDD / TDD practices through regular pairing sessions.  I’ve found novice <-> novice pairing to be a great way to ramp up on skills, but I don’t live near anyone who I can pair with.  

I’m thinking that doing 3 1-hour sessions a week, for a month, would give us a nice start.  Obviously, this would be remote pairing via ScreenHero (or some other tool).

Anyone interested?

Best,

Marcus

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[Josh Kamau]

I can do it with you if we limit the hours to Saturday and sunday.

I am a noob though i have 2 apps in production. (You can get alot done without knowing the whole of clojure)

I am in GMT  +3

Thanks. 

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[Marc Bluemner]

Hey Marcus, 

Im Marc from Germany! Im actualy learning Clojure and am trying to get good at BDD, we are trying to implement it at work so practice would be great. I must say Ive never done pair programming but Im realy eager to try. SO if you like Im absolutly open for everything.

Greetings Marc

[Gilberto Garcia]

Hi Marcus,

I'm also starting with Clojure and would like to find someone to pair and to study Clojure together.

Best regards,
Gilberto

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[Jason Felice]

I do TDD, even with my clojure (combined with repl-driven development).  BDD, however, doesn't make a lot of sense in clojure-land.  If logic is kept to pure functions as much as possible and state management kept to the "outside" of the app (highly recommended), TDD becomes really fun and managable without worrying about "things" & "behaviors".

(I say this knowing that there are a dozen conflicting notions of BDD.)

[Marc Bluemner]

Yes I think replica driven development is sctualy TDD :) they probuably didnt call it that back in the good old lisp days. Its funny how some praktises from 20 years ago are comming back and everyone pretends like its the newest trendy stuff....LEAN, LISP :)

I use emac how would we do pairprogramming? I would love to try, we could do the clojure koans, maybe ?

[Marc Bluemner]

Hahahah you saved your ass there Jason :) BDD is TDD with more focus on business value and Costomer interviews. I got a copy of BDD in action but Im a reviewer so I dont realy have it ;)

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[Marcus Blankenship]

Hi guys,

I'm glad the idea of pairing to learn is interesting to you!  Any suggestions on how we proceed?

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[Marc Bluemner]

I guess wie Need to Devide on a pairing method "wemux oremacs or whatever else there is .....I use emacs but am good with vim and tmux too. I would prefer emacs as I'm switching  to it St the Moment  

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[Marcus Blankenship]

I’m a fan of ngrok + tmux/wemux + emacs.  Have you guys used ngrok?

Best,

Marcus

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[Brian Muhia]

Hi Josh,

I'm interested in pairing as well. I'm also based in GMT+3.

Best,

- B

[Brian Muhia]

Hi Marc,

tmux + emacs works fine with me.

Best, 

Brian

[Marcus Blankenship]

We could also decide on a schedule, so folks can “sign-up” to pair with each other.  How many hours a week would people want to do this?

Best,

Marcus

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[Timothy Washington]

I'm also keen. I'm on EST (GMT - 5). Saturdays and Sundays are good for me. But weekday evenings would also work. 

Tim Washington 

Interruptsoftware.com 

[Marcus Blankenship]

Hi Tim, awesome news!.  I’ve had other folks today asking about it as well.  

Any idea how we could use a shared calendar to let people put down their availability, and then others can “claim” a spot to work with them?  Or, maybe that’s a Clojure project we should work on!  ;-)

But really, ideas accepted about what we could use, as I don’t have any…

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Best,

Marcus

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[Tom George]

Marcus,

I think the idea of working on a small project with fellow novices would be a great idea.

Tom

[Timothy Washington]

Hey Marcus, 

If you have Google Calendars, you can use that, and invite people to edit a particular calendar. It would start off as an honour system, so that people don't trample on each others bookings. But as Tom George points out, building such a booking tool, is a great project. 

Otherwise, I'm sure there's also other calendar / booking tools out there. I haven't tried basecamp in a while, but it's still popular. Others, feel free to share :)

Tim Washington 

Interruptsoftware.com 

[Andy Fingerhut]

I haven't used it myself, but noted that Alex Miller used http://ohours.org for allowing others to schedule meetings with him.

Andy

[Marcus Blankenship]

I can’t get my google calendar to allow others to add / change events.  If anyone else could set this up, it would be great!  Or, if you have ideas on how I can do this, contact me off-list and I’ll work on it.