In what OS do you code?

[Erlis Vidal]

Hi,

I'm a bit curious to know in what OS do you code. Do you prefer iOS, Linux, Windows? Why is that? Because the tools? The environment?

Thanks!

[Joseph Smith]

I write code in OSX. 

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[Denis Labaye]

Linux everywhere: 

- Natively @ work 

- Natively @ home

- In a VirtualBox VM in a MacBook air in the tube

Reasons: 

- Free and Open source

- "Standard" (Learn once use everywhere)

- Rock solid

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[Gary Trakhman]

Linux.  I started making the investment 12 years ago with RedHat 6.2 and Slackware, so the extra fuss-time tradeoff is worth it for me, since I can minimize it by now.

I can have a working clojure system from scratch in 20 minutes, which I've demonstrated here: http://gtrak.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/clojure-environment-state-of-the-union-install-speedrun-screencast/

OSX is a huge step backwards from what I know how to do there, and Windows is a necessary evil that I try to minimize.

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[Denis Labaye]

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Gary Trakhman <gary.t...@gmail.com> wrote:

Linux.  I started making the investment 12 years ago with RedHat 6.2 and Slackware, so the extra fuss-time tradeoff is worth it for me, since I can minimize it by now.

I can have a working clojure system from scratch in 20 minutes, which I've demonstrated here: http://gtrak.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/clojure-environment-state-of-the-union-install-speedrun-screencast/

"20mn from scratch"

You mean installing the OS too ? 

Because with an already installed Linux (with a good internet connexion) you could do it in less than 5 minutes

[Erlis Vidal]

Gary, thanks for the link!

[Gary Trakhman]

Yes, I installed the OS, too, that includes emacs, auto-complete, ac-nrepl (I had some problem and had to look stuff up, I can do it faster now).

[Steven Degutis]

OS X on an MBP.

The only thing I liked about linux was xmonad. So I wrote a window manager for OS X called AppGrid (download the zip) that does everything I want a window manager to do on OS X. And then I made it customizable via CoffeeScript, and renamed it to Zephyros. Now I use it with this CS config to do exactly what AppGrid does (with some fun additions).

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[Laurent PETIT]

Linux at work, OS X at home.

But this makes no big difference, since my toolchain is java end to
end: Eclipse, Maven.

2013/6/14 Erlis Vidal <er...@erlisvidal.com>:

[Clinton Dreisbach]

I'm the opposite of Laurent (OS X at work and Linux at home) but I agree with him. My toolchain is Java, Clojure, and Emacs, so I notice very little difference between the two. My biggest pain point is differences in shell scripts, mainly because OS X ships with BSD sed instead of GNU sed, which is quite different.

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[Giacomo Cosenza]

personally, I code on mac os x. in my company anyone is free to choose the preferred OS (most of our devs are using linux, few of them windows). 

mimmo

[Mayank Jain]

Linux/Mac both at work and home.

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[Yves S. Garret]

Well, you can't really code in iOS last time I checked.  But most of
the time it's Linux.  Preferably natively.

Why?  Because the tools that I need (VI, Erlang, grep, etc.) are all
there and I don't have to sit there and think about how to tie them
together (not even Cygwin gets rid of this problem.)

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[Mikhail Kryshen]

I use GNU/Linux (specifically, Fedora at home and openSUSE, which I don't
like much compared to other distros, at work):
- I do not trust proprietary software vendors,
- I avoid supporting Microsoft and Apple out of ethical issues,
- I prefer the software distribution model where software comes from a
few trusted sources — repositories with packages verified, compiled and
signed by the distribution's maintainers.

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[Jim - FooBar();]

I use GNU/Linux exclusively as well...no other OS makes me feel in
control :)

Jim

[Erlis Vidal]

Hi guys!

Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in the Clojure community.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jim - FooBar(); <jimpi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I use GNU/Linux exclusively as well...no other OS makes me feel in control :)

Jim

On 14/06/13 18:57, Mikhail Kryshen wrote:

I use GNU/Linux (specifically, Fedora at home and openSUSE, which I don't
like much compared to other distros, at work):
- I do not trust proprietary software vendors,
- I avoid supporting Microsoft and Apple out of ethical issues,
- I prefer the software distribution model where software comes from a
few trusted sources — repositories with packages verified, compiled and
signed by the distribution's maintainers.

Erlis Vidal <er...@erlisvidal.com> writes:

Hi,

I'm a bit curious to know in what OS do you code. Do you prefer iOS, Linux,
Windows? Why is that? Because the tools? The environment?

Thanks!

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[Raoul Duke]

> Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in
> the Clojure community.

er, wow. that's a bit of a leap, isn't it?

[Marcus Lindner]

I for example use Windows 8 and Windows 7.

[Nico Balestra]

What company do you work for Mimmo? Can I send my CV? :)

[Russell Whitaker]

Erlis, that's a bit of a leap, you can't make that conclusion from
your sampling.
Among other faults, your dataset suffers greatly from selection bias. Several
_layers_ of selection bias, in fact.

My own setup, while I'm here:
- OS X on the desk/laptop;
- Unbuntu as the deployment target.

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[Clinton Dreisbach]

I think that's more like "Linux is the predominant OS among people who love to talk about their OS." In my experience, there's a lot more Mac users than any other group.

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[Jim - FooBar();]

hehe :) does this mean that apple is the new Microsoft ? this can't be good...

Jim

On 14/06/13 19:18, Clinton Dreisbach wrote:

I think that's more like "Linux is the predominant OS among people who love to talk about their OS." In my experience, there's a lot more Mac users than any other group.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Erlis Vidal <er...@erlisvidal.com> wrote:

Hi guys!

Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in the Clojure community.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jim - FooBar(); <jimpi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I use GNU/Linux exclusively as well...no other OS makes me feel in control :)

Jim

On 14/06/13 18:57, Mikhail Kryshen wrote:

I use GNU/Linux (specifically, Fedora at home and openSUSE, which I don't
like much compared to other distros, at work):
- I do not trust proprietary software vendors,
- I avoid supporting Microsoft and Apple out of ethical issues,
- I prefer the software distribution model where software comes from a

few trusted sources � repositories with packages verified, compiled and

signed by the distribution's maintainers.

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Hi,

I'm a bit curious to know in what OS do you code. Do you prefer iOS, Linux,
Windows? Why is that? Because the tools? The environment?

Thanks!

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[Yves S. Garret]

Truthfully, they're not shy when it comes to things such as DRM, closing off
previous more open standards/software and just don't really give back to the
OSS community as much as they take.

I own a Mac mini and I'm so-so satisfied with it.  In Ubuntu, I love it in
comparison.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Jim - FooBar(); <jimpi...@gmail.com> wrote:

hehe :) does this mean that apple is the new Microsoft ? this can't be good...

Jim

On 14/06/13 19:18, Clinton Dreisbach wrote:

I think that's more like "Linux is the predominant OS among people who love to talk about their OS." In my experience, there's a lot more Mac users than any other group.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Erlis Vidal <er...@erlisvidal.com> wrote:

Hi guys!

Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in the Clojure community.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Jim - FooBar(); <jimpi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I use GNU/Linux exclusively as well...no other OS makes me feel in control :)

Jim

On 14/06/13 18:57, Mikhail Kryshen wrote:

I use GNU/Linux (specifically, Fedora at home and openSUSE, which I don't
like much compared to other distros, at work):
- I do not trust proprietary software vendors,
- I avoid supporting Microsoft and Apple out of ethical issues,
- I prefer the software distribution model where software comes from a

few trusted sources — repositories with packages verified, compiled and

[Colin Fleming]

I use OSX for everything, and have for a long time. I could see myself switching to Linux for work (although collaboration tools e.g. Skype etc are still more difficult than on OSX, maybe hangouts helps here) but at home it's a non-starter since I use my machine for watching movies etc, and that's all more difficult or impossible on Linux. But for development I agree with the above, there's very little difference.

[Mikhail Kryshen]

"Yves S. Garret" <yoursurr...@gmail.com> writes:

> Truthfully, they're not shy when it comes to things such as DRM, closing off
> previous more open standards/software and just don't really give back to the
> OSS community as much as they take.

I think it would be naive to expect ethical behaviour from any large
corporation. Even though very nice people may work there, a large
corporation as a whole is a heartless machine that do whatever it can to
make more money. And what makes money depends on what consumers are
willing to accept. So, in the end, it's the consumer's responsibility
not to support evil.

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[Yves S. Garret]

Mikhail, you do have a point there.

[Max Gonzih]

Linux. OpenSource, package management, tools, tailing window managers, if you know linux you can apply your knowledge everywhere (development, production, embed), OpenSource system is solid system, you can change everything in open OS if you need to and not afraid of being proper hacker.

[Christian Sperandio]

Hi,

I use os x for my dev. I regularly switch between os x and linux for many years now. When my computer is too old to get a newer os x version, I switch to linux to have more usability years (I keep my computer 7-8 years).
I avoid Windows the more I can because I don't like this os and I'm a fan of Unix world (pipe architecture, all is file, powerful shell).
But I must say any os is good while I have: Java, emacs and a terminal window :P

[Mimmo Cosenza]

On Jun 14, 2013, at 8:16 PM, Nico Balestra <nicoba...@gmail.com> wrote:

What company do you work for Mimmo? Can I send my CV? :)

yes you can. send it to me. I'm the boss ;-)

[Josh Kamau]

I love linux.... so one of my home laptop has linux. I mainly use it for experiments and on it i use emacs.... Then there is this expensive macbookpro that i bought. Its my first  actually. I use it for all my "commercial work". I use intellij for development on it.  If i could rewind time, i wouldnt buy a mac. I would stick to linux. 

josh

[Max Penet]

What OS? Emacs of course.

More seriously debian (with a lightweight xmonad config), at work and at home.

I tried OSX a couple of years back (for about a year), and there were just too many annoyances, weird keyboard shortcuts, broken package managers, proprietary stuff everywhere, payware (and very often worthless) upgrades and I could go on like this for ages... It feels a bit like the real thing but just isn't it, so I gave up and went back to linux.

[Christian Sperandio]

It's true before the os x emacs version was  tedious.

But now, I use os x mountain lion with the last emacs version for os x and those issues are no more. I've the same keyboard shortcuts as my previous ubuntu installation :)

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[Mikera]

On Friday, 14 June 2013 14:46:37 UTC+1, Erlis Vidal wrote:

Hi,

I'm a bit curious to know in what OS do you code. Do you prefer iOS, Linux, Windows? Why is that? Because the tools? The environment?

Thanks!

I prefer Linux for the server side. Lean, fast, great tools, open source.

Windows is my general coding environment. Mainly because I still run various Windows-only apps, I'm comfortable with the GUI, I like things to "just work" on my hardware and I prefer to avoid futzing around with settings / drivers. I'd love to switch to Linux, but the hassle-factor has prevented me from adopting Linux in the past. 

The good news is that my toolchain for Clojure coding is Eclipse+Counterclockwise+Maven, which is totally cross-platform so it doesn't really matter what OS I use. So maybe I will try switching to Linux again sometime soon.

 

[Heinz Nikolaus Gies]

I personally use OS X, got used to it and it leaves me alone for most of the time to do what I want. Linux is too much hassle for me. But I guess that is a thing of taste and habit and experience with one system or the other, people using Linux will tell say the same thing just the other way round. Bottom line I guess a UNIX system is a advantage, which one is a matter of taste and what you are more used to. There is very little OS X can't do that Linux can do or that Linux can't do what OS X can do.

For the serves I personally like SmartOS (Solaris ;).

Cheers,
Heinz

[Softaddicts]

Ubuntu everywhere aside from my iPad :)

Stable and easily customizable. This is the major difference with OS X which bit
me severely in the past.

I used to run an Apple Xserve to support the business (emails, ...) for 7/8 years
but when it came to customization it was a mess. Any upgrade would screw up
customization.

We replaced it by an Ubuntu server when it died and never looked back again.

Laptop wise, my typical configuration is a "standard" laptop (i7, 8gb RAM)
with an SSD.
I trashed the dvd/cd rom reader to use a standard disk for non critical i/o and
local backups of stuff on the SSD while on the road.

I cannot see when I'll need a hardware upgrade, I run several services, databases on
it and can't see resource starvation yet.

It costs three times less than an equivalent MacBook but my main objective is to remain
in control of our dev. environment and keep it as close as possible to what is used
in production.

We deploy in production on clusters of small foot print ubuntu SSD based servers.

However I rely extensively on my iPad for all the communication stuff,
document handling and remote support.

I use dropbox to exchange documents between my laptop and my iPad.
I can do half of my work with it without carrying an extra twelve pounds of gears.
You would not convince me to replace it by an Android tablet.

Luc P.

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[Plínio Balduino]

I code on Windows, due the company standards, on OSX at my machine and
Android with Clojure REPL. I really miss a machine with Linux.

Plínio

[Rob Browning]

Josh Kamau <joshn...@gmail.com> writes:

> If i could rewind time, i wouldnt buy a mac. I would stick to linux.

For whatever it's worth, Debian and presumably others run just fine on
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[Korny Sietsma]

How are all the Linux users handling Java installation? Using an official Oracle installer, or your package manager somehow, or something else? Or using (gasp) openJDK?

I use Windows (client mandated) at work and OSX on my laptop. We use Vagrant to run virtual Linux (Centos) boxen at work, with puppet managed configuration, and Java installation is always rather ugly and painful.

[John Gabriele]

On Saturday, June 15, 2013 9:40:13 PM UTC-4, Korny wrote:

How are all the Linux users handling Java installation? Using an official Oracle installer, or your package manager somehow, or something else? Or using (gasp) openJDK?

sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk

[Softaddicts]

Some folks maintain packages for the oracle JVM on the side, I do not have the repo
by heart but you can search on google a combination like ubuntu+oracle+jvm and you
should find the recipe.

Luc P.

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[Eric MacAdie]

OT: Is there a way to download OpenJDK directly?

It looks like the download page only has directions on using package managers. Perhaps I missed a link somewhere.

- Eric MacAdie

[Gregory Graham]

I use Windows 8 at work, with Emacs and Windows Power Shell and bash when needed. It was easy to set up. I've been a long time Unix/Linux lover, but I've come to terms with the need to use Windows at work, and versions 7 and 8 are not bad. At home I have an old MacBook with OS X, and although it is ok, I will likely replace it with a Windows PC. Although I like Linux, I don't really need it now, but that could change.

[Robert Levy]

There's the "State of Clojure Survey": http://cemerick.com/2012/08/06/results-of-the-2012-state-of-clojure-survey/. I think Chas usually asks for ideas on what the questions should be, so that might be a good question to suggest next time around.

The Leiningen survey asks that question and finds 79% Linux vs only 62% Mac https://lein-survey-2013.herokuapp.com/results  The Leiningen results likely mirror Clojure OS preference more generally, since the vast majority of Clojure users use Leiningen.

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Raoul Duke <rao...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the responses, it looks like Linux is the predominant OS in
> the Clojure community.

er, wow. that's a bit of a leap, isn't it?

[Chris Ford]

Robert, the Leiningen survey might under-report Windows-based usage of Clojure, as I think Eclipse+Counter-clockwise is especially popular there.

[Robert Levy]

from the Counterclockwise docs: "the preferred way to create a new project is via the New > Leiningen Project Wizard"

[Alexandru Nedelcu]

On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 4:40 AM, Korny Sietsma <ko...@sietsma.com> wrote:

How are all the Linux users handling Java installation? Using an official Oracle installer, or your package manager somehow, or something else? Or using (gasp) openJDK?

I'm on Ubuntu and I use OpenJDK 7 which is the default JDK. I don't know why you "gasp" at OpenJDK, but it works great and I never had any problems with it. Plus, I trust the OpenJDK package to get more security updates than Oracle's official JDK. Seriously.

I do have the official Oracle JDK 7 installed (for testing), plus early builds of JDK 8 (for playing around with it). Ubuntu makes that easy due to "update-java-alternatives", so having multiple versions installed is really not an issue.

If you're on Ubuntu and you want the official Oracle JDK (both 7 and previews of 8), you only need to use this PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/java

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[Jim Cheesman]

Windows 7 at work, Ubuntu at home. 

Both have good and bad points, I'm quite happy coding in either (once properly set up).

[Korny Sietsma]

Sorry, didn't mean to dismiss OpenJDK - in the past, every time I've tried it I've had performance issues or compatibility issues.  Admittedly, I haven't tried it for a few years - I'd be very happy if it is now fast and reliable enough for everyday use!

- Korny

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Kornelis Sietsma  korny at my surname dot com http://korny.info

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[Angel Java Lopez]

Windows 8 at work

Windows 2008 Server at home

Lot of Node.js, C#, Java, PHP coding. Few Clojure, only spikes or little sample, using REPL, sometimes lein

Angel "Java" Lopez

@ajlopez

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Erlis Vidal <er...@erlisvidal.com> wrote:

Hi,

I'm a bit curious to know in what OS do you code. Do you prefer iOS, Linux, Windows? Why is that? Because the tools? The environment?

Thanks!

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[Herwig Hochleitner]

Gentoo on my pcs and servers.

+ the occasional ssh shell from my keyboarded android tablet.

2013/6/17 Angel Java Lopez <ajlop...@gmail.com>

[Curtis Gagliardi]

Linux Mint everywhere, but any distro is fine as long as I can run a tiling window manager (i3) and vim on it.

People complaining about the hassle really should give Ubuntu/Mint or one of the other really user focused distros a try if they haven't recently, it's really not very difficult anymore.

[dmirylenka]

OS X on the working machine, Ubuntu on the servers.

For my project it makes little difference, especially with brew on the mac.

Currently moving from vi to emacs.

[Kelker Ryan]

Arch Linux, but moving to Manjaro for a more stable and simple version of the distro.

The editor is Emacs + nrepl.el + clojure-mode + ritz + rainbow parens + eldoc + ac.

 

18.06.2013, 14:47, "dmirylenka" <daniilm...@gmail.com>:

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[Alan Thompson]

Windoze 7 with Cygwin on desktop, AIX in production (mostly PL/1 & Java).

Alan

[Moritz Ulrich]

NixOS, a linux distribution built on a purely functional package
manager at work and at home. Emacs with package.el and ~/.emacs.d/ in
a git repository.